Are we in the Jrue Holiday market?

[kraidstar]

3 team trade

Boston - Holiday, Powell
Dallas - Brogdon
Portland - Hardaway, Rob, Pritchard, 24 GS , 24 Bos, 26 Bos

Bravo. You've managed to concoct a trade where the Celtics are giving up more for Jrue at age 33 than the Bucks did for Jrue at age 30.

[JSD]

Am I the only crazy person here who is content with the roster going into the season?

My hope is that the Celtics are just upping the ante for other teams, who are trying to make bids.

[Birdman]

I’m neither yay or nay on Holiday..if it happens, great, if it don’t, great also..I’m happy with what we have as of now

[Neurotic Guy]

I’m neither yay or nay on Holiday..if it happens, great, if it don’t, great also..I’m happy with what we have as of now

100%. I said earlier, a trade for MB and pieces (not Al or Rob) may be fine especially with MB now is apparently seriously on the block for the 2nd time (this presumes an unsubstantiated idea that he was upset the first time).

But I’m very good with the roster as is.  Tbh, I always rationalize trades in the positive direction so I’ll likely be excited next week regardless.

[scaryjerry]

I couldn’t disagree more with the people content with the roster as is…sure it’s fine but if you can somehow swap out Brogdon for jrue you are significantly better not to mention keeping jrue away from the heat and 6ers.
It’s also addition by subtraction getting Brogdon off this team at this point, no idea why people still like that loser

[Neurotic Guy]

I couldn’t disagree more with the people content with the roster as is…sure it’s fine but if you can somehow swap out Brogdon for jrue you are significantly better not to mention keeping jrue away from the heat and 6ers.
It’s also addition by subtraction getting Brogdon off this team at this point, no idea why people still like that loser

It comes down to how sure one is that Jrue is an upgrade — and obviously how much you give up to get him. MB for Jrue straight up I’m pretty sure just about everyone one would be on board. But that isn’t happening.

[No Nickname]

3 team trade

Boston - Holiday, Powell
Dallas - Brogdon
Portland - Hardaway, Rob, Pritchard, 24 GS , 24 Bos, 26 Bos

Bravo. You've managed to concoct a trade where the Celtics are giving up more for Jrue at age 33 than the Bucks did for Jrue at age 30.

You're discounting the addition of Powell who would be a fantastic addition as a backup power forward which is the one thing everyone on here has been pining for.

This isn't a trade scenario just for Jrue.

I do agree it's one too many picks.  I'd be fine with removing one of the two C's picks, so that it would just be GS '24 and Celtics '24 or '26.

[No Nickname]

I couldn’t disagree more with the people content with the roster as is…sure it’s fine but if you can somehow swap out Brogdon for jrue you are significantly better not to mention keeping jrue away from the heat and 6ers.
It’s also addition by subtraction getting Brogdon off this team at this point, no idea why people still like that loser

You're comical.  You're talking about the reigning 6MOY who's done nothing but be a professional, led our second unit with aplomb, and tried in vain to return with an injury (he could have no thanks) and you're calling him a loser?!?

There's no arguing with your commentary though!

Thank god you're not a GM.

[tonydelk]

I just don't see a path where the C's get better gutting the depth of this team.  If Jrue and Brogdon made the same salary you could justify adding a player who is on the Smart level of defense.  But he doesn't.  Brogdon has a team friendly deal for the next two years.  The gap between the two is not significant enough to move picks, PP, Hauser etc.  I just don't see this kind of deal happening. 

[Roy H.]

I couldn’t disagree more with the people content with the roster as is…sure it’s fine but if you can somehow swap out Brogdon for jrue you are significantly better not to mention keeping jrue away from the heat and 6ers.
It’s also addition by subtraction getting Brogdon off this team at this point, no idea why people still like that loser

It comes down to how sure one is that Jrue is an upgrade — and obviously how much you give up to get him. MB for Jrue straight up I’m pretty sure just about everyone one would be on board. But that isn’t happening.

In terms of rotation players from last season, we'd be giving up Brogdon.  That's it.

Then Walsh (unproven, borderline prospect), Kornet (easily replaceable third center), and Pritchard (decent backup PG).

Then picks and cash. 

In terms of "win now", we'd be losing Pritchard and Kornet.  Add Payne and Biyombo.

Which would you rather have have the next two seasons:

A.  Jrue, Payne, Biyombo, roster spot

B.  Brogdon, Pritchard, Kornet, Walsh

[Who]

Some Blazers fans commenting that Jrue was the best Lillard defender in the league. The only guy who consistently caused him problems and caused Lillard to underperform. I know Jrue had a great playoff series against Dame a few years ago but they are saying it was not a one-off but a frequent case. So they are claiming Jrue is a great weapon to have for any team worried about facing the new look Bucks in the postseason. The key to slowing down Dame.

[Goldstar88]

Some Blazers fans commenting that Jrue was the best Lillard defender in the league. The only guy who consistently caused him problems and caused Lillard to underperform. I know Jrue had a great playoff series against Dame a few years ago but they are saying it was not a one-off but a frequent case. So they are claiming Jrue is a great weapon to have for any team worried about facing the new look Bucks in the postseason. The key to slowing down Dame.

I think White will do just fine. I also expect Derrick to have 3+ years of playing high level defense since he’s 29. Jrue is on the back end of his prime. He’s making $37M this year and $39M next. That’s too much money for a 4th option who will be 34 next Spring.

[Silas]

I couldn’t disagree more with the people content with the roster as is…sure it’s fine but if you can somehow swap out Brogdon for jrue you are significantly better not to mention keeping jrue away from the heat and 6ers.
It’s also addition by subtraction getting Brogdon off this team at this point, no idea why people still like that loser

You're comical.  You're talking about the reigning 6MOY who's done nothing but be a professional, led our second unit with aplomb, and tried in vain to return with an injury (he could have no thanks) and you're calling him a loser?!?

There's no arguing with your commentary though!

Thank god you're not a GM.

...and let's not forget that Brogdon was the 4th best 3pt shooter in the NBA at 44.4%.

[Roy H.]

Some Blazers fans commenting that Jrue was the best Lillard defender in the league. The only guy who consistently caused him problems and caused Lillard to underperform. I know Jrue had a great playoff series against Dame a few years ago but they are saying it was not a one-off but a frequent case. So they are claiming Jrue is a great weapon to have for any team worried about facing the new look Bucks in the postseason. The key to slowing down Dame.

I think White will do just fine. I also expect Derrick to have 3+ years of playing high level defense since he’s 29. Jrue is on the back end of his prime. He’s making $37M this year and $39M next. That’s too much money for a 4th option who will be 34 next Spring.

Not if he contributes to a championship.

[Vermont Green]

I couldn’t disagree more with the people content with the roster as is…sure it’s fine but if you can somehow swap out Brogdon for jrue you are significantly better not to mention keeping jrue away from the heat and 6ers.
It’s also addition by subtraction getting Brogdon off this team at this point, no idea why people still like that loser

You're comical.  You're talking about the reigning 6MOY who's done nothing but be a professional, led our second unit with aplomb, and tried in vain to return with an injury (he could have no thanks) and you're calling him a loser?!?

There's no arguing with your commentary though!

Thank god you're not a GM.

Yeah, I don't get the negativity towards Brogdon.  He is a very good player and a consummate professional.  He took a lesser role to help the team win, and thrived in that role.  In my view, he has done nothing to warrant fan negativity.

That said, it is fair to say that Holiday is a better player than Brogdon.  Brogdon is good, he would be a starter on most every team in the league.  He shot 44% from 3 last season, about 39% for his career, both better than Holiday.  But Holiday is a fringe all star, and fairly so; he is better.  The question is how much better and how does that translate into more wins for the Celtics.

It seems like people are upset with Brogdon because the Celtics almost traded him with a little bit of his injury during the playoffs mixed in.  Neither of these things are his fault.  Now if he is being overly sensitive about the near-trade, that could warrant some negativity (although I am not sure what player would react all that much differently) but no one knows if that is even true.  There is no addition with the subtraction of Brogdon.