Patriots 2023 Season

[Vermont Green]

I think at this point, I'd be more shocked if they stand pat and draft a QB at #3 rather than drafting WR/OL or simply trading down and addressing QB via free agency.

Really?  You could be right, but I don't know.  I will say that if they decide they don't want to take the risk on a QB at #3, I hope they trade down some and hopefully get some decent additional picks.  I think #3 is too high to take a WR or OT.  Better to trade back.

[Moranis]

ESPN had 3 potential trades for 1. The Pats were 1 of the 3.  They had the Pats trading 1, 34, and their 2025 1st for 1.

[Roy H.]

ESPN had 3 potential trades for 1. The Pats were 1 of the 3.  They had the Pats trading 1, 34, and their 2025 1st for 1.

Interesting, if only because that's less value than they got last year for a much better prospect.

That said, since I'm a big MHJ fan, I'd probably do it.

[Celtics2021]

ESPN had 3 potential trades for 1. The Pats were 1 of the 3.  They had the Pats trading 1, 34, and their 2025 1st for 1.

Interesting, if only because that's less value than they got last year for a much better prospect.

That said, since I'm a big MHJ fan, I'd probably do it.

That’s not exactly what the article said.  It had one author make offers and the other author be the Bears and evaluate the offers.  The Bears author rejected that from the Pats, and said an additional pick would be needed, most likely a 2025 2nd rounder.

[Moranis]

ESPN had 3 potential trades for 1. The Pats were 1 of the 3.  They had the Pats trading 1, 34, and their 2025 1st for 1.

Interesting, if only because that's less value than they got last year for a much better prospect.

That said, since I'm a big MHJ fan, I'd probably do it.

3 is much better than 9, so I think that was it.  The Commanders was 2, 40, and next year 1st.  The Falcons was 8, 25 1st, 25 2nd, 26 1st, 26 2nd.

And yes the other writer did say that in both Pats and Commanders he thought a 25 2nd or high level player would probably be needed. He thought the Falcons was best value despite taking Bears out of top 3.  Thought they'd use 8 and then trade 9 to move back in 1st and pick up an extra pick or two (depending on how high). They'd probably stick with Fields in that scenario for another year (perhaps draft McCarthy with the traded back pick).

[Goldstar88]

With the Patriots potentially picking a quarterback with the third overall pick, Van Pelt was asked what traits he looks for when evaluating a young quarterback.

"Just goes back to decision-making, accuracy, the fundamentals, mechanics, if the guy is sound. Big one again is leadership. Was he a three-year captain? You know, why wasn't he a captain? So all that really plays together," he explained. "The big piece for me is the leadership, the toughness, the accuracy and the decision-making. All four are super important."

I get that most of this is just cliché but I don't think it matters much how tough a QB is or how much of a leader he was in college, if he isn't accurate and can't make the quick decisions or reads.  I do agree that accuracy is more important than pure arm strength, but there is a base level of arm strength that is needed.  I would think that any athlete that is playing at an elite college level is going to be tough enough or competitive enough, but I guess you don't want to take a QB that is too quirky.  The decision making is the trait that is hard to measure.

In addition to not mentioning arm strength, he didn’t mention mobility as an important trait that he looks for in a QB.

[green_bballers13]

I think MHJ is the best player in this draft. If he fulfills his potential, we're looking at a Julio Jones type player. Those guys generally aren't available in FA, as their teams are locking them up. This is a good chance to get a stud receiver that has very few flaws.

Caleb is better than Drake (not as athletic or accurate) and Daniels (too skinny). I don't think Chicago will pass up the chance to take Williams, esp now that they've floated Justin Fields. If they wanted Fields, they would say he's their guy.

MHJ>Drake and Daniels.

Go sign a QB and a couple linemen and continue to build around a stout defense.

Brady, Montana, and Mahomes were not top 3 picks. Good quarterbacks have been found up and down the draft board.

[Moranis]

I think MHJ is the best player in this draft. If he fulfills his potential, we're looking at a Julio Jones type player. Those guys generally aren't available in FA, as their teams are locking them up. This is a good chance to get a stud receiver that has very few flaws.

Caleb is better than Drake (not as athletic or accurate) and Daniels (too skinny). I don't think Chicago will pass up the chance to take Williams, esp now that they've floated Justin Fields. If they wanted Fields, they would say he's their guy.

MHJ>Drake and Daniels.

Go sign a QB and a couple linemen and continue to build around a stout defense.

Brady, Montana, and Mahomes were not top 3 picks. Good quarterbacks have been found up and down the draft board.

MHJ may very well be a better player, but WR have far less impact than QB.  Look at Tyreke Hill.  He certainly has made Tua better, but the Dolphins haven't won a playoff game while the Chiefs have gone back to back after losing Hill.  If you don't have the QB nothing else matters. 

[green_bballers13]

I think MHJ is the best player in this draft. If he fulfills his potential, we're looking at a Julio Jones type player. Those guys generally aren't available in FA, as their teams are locking them up. This is a good chance to get a stud receiver that has very few flaws.

Caleb is better than Drake (not as athletic or accurate) and Daniels (too skinny). I don't think Chicago will pass up the chance to take Williams, esp now that they've floated Justin Fields. If they wanted Fields, they would say he's their guy.

MHJ>Drake and Daniels.

Go sign a QB and a couple linemen and continue to build around a stout defense.

Brady, Montana, and Mahomes were not top 3 picks. Good quarterbacks have been found up and down the draft board.

MHJ may very well be a better player, but WR have far less impact than QB.  Look at Tyreke Hill.  He certainly has made Tua better, but the Dolphins haven't won a playoff game while the Chiefs have gone back to back after losing Hill.  If you don't have the QB nothing else matters.

Right- but that assumes you only get good QBs at the top. I think JJ McCarthy is going to be a decent pro. I'm not sold on the idea that Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels are significantly better.

I want as close to a sure thing with the third pick as possible. If that's a tackle or WR, so be it. Picking the wrong guy with the #3 pick is devastating.

[Moranis]

I think MHJ is the best player in this draft. If he fulfills his potential, we're looking at a Julio Jones type player. Those guys generally aren't available in FA, as their teams are locking them up. This is a good chance to get a stud receiver that has very few flaws.

Caleb is better than Drake (not as athletic or accurate) and Daniels (too skinny). I don't think Chicago will pass up the chance to take Williams, esp now that they've floated Justin Fields. If they wanted Fields, they would say he's their guy.

MHJ>Drake and Daniels.

Go sign a QB and a couple linemen and continue to build around a stout defense.

Brady, Montana, and Mahomes were not top 3 picks. Good quarterbacks have been found up and down the draft board.

MHJ may very well be a better player, but WR have far less impact than QB.  Look at Tyreke Hill.  He certainly has made Tua better, but the Dolphins haven't won a playoff game while the Chiefs have gone back to back after losing Hill.  If you don't have the QB nothing else matters.

Right- but that assumes you only get good QBs at the top. I think JJ McCarthy is going to be a decent pro. I'm not sold on the idea that Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels are significantly better.

I want as close to a sure thing with the third pick as possible. If that's a tackle or WR, so be it. Picking the wrong guy with the #3 pick is devastating.

It is more devastating to pass on a QB that becomes a franchise player.  If they really don't think Daniels is worth the 3rd pick, then they should trade it to a team that does.  That is the best value for the pick.  Take the QB or trade it.  Drafting a WR there doesn't make sense if you don't have the QB.  Now sure if they sign someone like Cousins, Mayfield, etc. in free agency, then drafting MHJ makes way more sense so they should do that in that scenario.  But if the team doesn't have at least a mid-tier starting QB at the draft, they have to take a QB or trade the pick, anything else is just dumb.

[green_bballers13]

I think MHJ is the best player in this draft. If he fulfills his potential, we're looking at a Julio Jones type player. Those guys generally aren't available in FA, as their teams are locking them up. This is a good chance to get a stud receiver that has very few flaws.

Caleb is better than Drake (not as athletic or accurate) and Daniels (too skinny). I don't think Chicago will pass up the chance to take Williams, esp now that they've floated Justin Fields. If they wanted Fields, they would say he's their guy.

MHJ>Drake and Daniels.

Go sign a QB and a couple linemen and continue to build around a stout defense.

Brady, Montana, and Mahomes were not top 3 picks. Good quarterbacks have been found up and down the draft board.

MHJ may very well be a better player, but WR have far less impact than QB.  Look at Tyreke Hill.  He certainly has made Tua better, but the Dolphins haven't won a playoff game while the Chiefs have gone back to back after losing Hill.  If you don't have the QB nothing else matters.

Right- but that assumes you only get good QBs at the top. I think JJ McCarthy is going to be a decent pro. I'm not sold on the idea that Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels are significantly better.

I want as close to a sure thing with the third pick as possible. If that's a tackle or WR, so be it. Picking the wrong guy with the #3 pick is devastating.

It is more devastating to pass on a QB that becomes a franchise player.  If they really don't think Daniels is worth the 3rd pick, then they should trade it to a team that does.  That is the best value for the pick.  Take the QB or trade it.  Drafting a WR there doesn't make sense if you don't have the QB.  Now sure if they sign someone like Cousins, Mayfield, etc. in free agency, then drafting MHJ makes way more sense so they should do that in that scenario.  But if the team doesn't have at least a mid-tier starting QB at the draft, they have to take a QB or trade the pick, anything else is just dumb.

So the Patriots can't draft MHJ at 3 if they don't want to be considered dumb by Moranis, the same guy who tells you he was right when he was wrong? I hope Eliot Wolf is taking note.

[Roy H.]

I think MHJ is the best player in this draft. If he fulfills his potential, we're looking at a Julio Jones type player. Those guys generally aren't available in FA, as their teams are locking them up. This is a good chance to get a stud receiver that has very few flaws.

Caleb is better than Drake (not as athletic or accurate) and Daniels (too skinny). I don't think Chicago will pass up the chance to take Williams, esp now that they've floated Justin Fields. If they wanted Fields, they would say he's their guy.

MHJ>Drake and Daniels.

Go sign a QB and a couple linemen and continue to build around a stout defense.

Brady, Montana, and Mahomes were not top 3 picks. Good quarterbacks have been found up and down the draft board.

MHJ may very well be a better player, but WR have far less impact than QB.  Look at Tyreke Hill.  He certainly has made Tua better, but the Dolphins haven't won a playoff game while the Chiefs have gone back to back after losing Hill.  If you don't have the QB nothing else matters.

Right- but that assumes you only get good QBs at the top. I think JJ McCarthy is going to be a decent pro. I'm not sold on the idea that Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels are significantly better.

I want as close to a sure thing with the third pick as possible. If that's a tackle or WR, so be it. Picking the wrong guy with the #3 pick is devastating.

It is more devastating to pass on a QB that becomes a franchise player.  If they really don't think Daniels is worth the 3rd pick, then they should trade it to a team that does.  That is the best value for the pick.  Take the QB or trade it.  Drafting a WR there doesn't make sense if you don't have the QB.  Now sure if they sign someone like Cousins, Mayfield, etc. in free agency, then drafting MHJ makes way more sense so they should do that in that scenario.  But if the team doesn't have at least a mid-tier starting QB at the draft, they have to take a QB or trade the pick, anything else is just dumb.

So the Patriots can't draft MHJ at 3 if they don't want to be considered dumb by Moranis, the same guy who tells you he was right when he was wrong? I hope Eliot Wolf is taking note.

I get it, though.  Is the gap between MHJ and the other WRs enough to justify passing up on the multiple premium picks the Pats would get by trading back?

[Vermont Green]

I agree with Moranis on this one. I don’t think you need to have the best receiver to be a top team. A QB, yes. But if not a QB, and you can get value by trading down, trade down and build depth. Second round receivers are fine.

[green_bballers13]

I agree with Moranis on this one. I don’t think you need to have the best receiver to be a top team. A QB, yes. But if not a QB, and you can get value by trading down, trade down and build depth. Second round receivers are fine.

You don't need anything. There are multiple ways to build a team.

MHJ is going #4 to AZ at the latest. If the Patriots like the player, they need to trade up to 2 or take him at 3. Now, you can say that you don't think he's worth it, or you don't like him. I'm commenting on Mo's take that anything else is dumb.

[Donoghus]

No issues with taking MHJ at #3.

Is it it making the most of the pick?  Probably not. But if they take a player at a position of need who, IMO, has the least bust potential in the draft, so be it.