Patriots 2023 Season

[celticsclay]

Mac Jones was a good QB for the first half of his rookie year.  Then the Bills game happened and he has gotten considerably worse since.  I know you all think I'm crazy because I attribute that game to the beginning of the end of Mac Jones in NE.  But, I absolutely maintain you cannot tell the world that you have so little faith in your QB's arm that you only throw the ball 3 times in a 4 point game.  Because you aren't just telling the world that, you are telling the QB and his teammates that you don't trust him to throw the ball. You can't have a QB that you don't trust.  Period. And Bill doesn't trust Mac and probably never has, but it was apparent to everyone, including Mac, after that Bills game.

You really just have to retire this take man. I know we have disagreed on a lot over the years but this is the first take that you have had that is so objectively illogical I can’t figure out how you really believe it. I know people have said to not take the bait on such a silly take but I will one more time for ol times sake. Is your take that professional athletes, even first round picks that experienced massive success in college, are extremely mentally fragile and they are one bad game script away from just having their careers ruined? Like if we let neismith play 5 more minutes in two games In December of his rookie year he becomes an all star? I think it is clear to everyone watching the patriots and Mac that he is not a good quarterback and was never gonna be a great player even if he got drafted on the 1991 cowboys. He is has an average to weak arm, he isn’t particularly mobile, he has shown poor decision making throughout his career. We are saying we moved him from Trent dilfer to Gardner minshew with one game or what?

I mean, if Mac is that mentally weak then there's no way he was going to end up as a successful NFL QB.  His first sign of adversity and he mentally turtles for multiple seasons?

Exactly Roy. This is the basic logic of why I can’t understand how someone can really believe it. It makes no sense

[Goldstar88]

Blaming only the QBs to me is the easy route. Belichick the GM has been the problem, and frankly even his coaching nowadays is extremely subpar. All the penalties, lack of fundamentals, poor special teams. Isn't Belichick supposed to be a genius at that + instilling a system? Because this whole operation has become dysfunctional since Brady was shown the door after 2019. That and the lack of spending outside of that rare spree in 2021. There's also a clear lack of talent on the roster and it shows when we play these good teams.

Then you have horrible decisions like having Patricia/Judge run offense, Cam Achord still being a Special Teams coach despite being awful at it. Dysfunctional.

There's a ton of problems with this team. Hell, even our kicker right now is very unreliable. If only the GM didn't let Folk go though!

Exactly. Fish rots from the head down. Bill and Bob are responsible for this mess.

Oh I agree. This team lacks talent at basically every position. Tons of blame to go around, I think a lot of us are just bemused by the take that Mac jones was gonna be a good qb under any circumstance. He is literally aj macaron all over again and he won’t start for any other team ever.

Mac had success his rookie year.  AJ has basically been a backup his whole career. He hasn’t done anything in the NFL. Mac is a system QB without a system. He played with more talent in college. I think he can be as decent QB with some talent around him and time to throw the ball. He’s not going to get that in NE, though.

[Moranis]

Mac Jones was a good QB for the first half of his rookie year.  Then the Bills game happened and he has gotten considerably worse since.  I know you all think I'm crazy because I attribute that game to the beginning of the end of Mac Jones in NE.  But, I absolutely maintain you cannot tell the world that you have so little faith in your QB's arm that you only throw the ball 3 times in a 4 point game.  Because you aren't just telling the world that, you are telling the QB and his teammates that you don't trust him to throw the ball. You can't have a QB that you don't trust.  Period. And Bill doesn't trust Mac and probably never has, but it was apparent to everyone, including Mac, after that Bills game.

You really just have to retire this take man. I know we have disagreed on a lot over the years but this is the first take that you have had that is so objectively illogical I can’t figure out how you really believe it. I know people have said to not take the bait on such a silly take but I will one more time for ol times sake. Is your take that professional athletes, even first round picks that experienced massive success in college, are extremely mentally fragile and they are one bad game script away from just having their careers ruined? Like if we let neismith play 5 more minutes in two games In December of his rookie year he becomes an all star? I think it is clear to everyone watching the patriots and Mac that he is not a good quarterback and was never gonna be a great player even if he got drafted on the 1991 cowboys. He is has an average to weak arm, he isn’t particularly mobile, he has shown poor decision making throughout his career. We are saying we moved him from Trent dilfer to Gardner minshew with one game or what?

I mean, if Mac is that mentally weak then there's no way he was going to end up as a successful NFL QB.  His first sign of adversity and he mentally turtles for multiple seasons?

Your coach gelling you and the world that he doesn't trust you is not adversity, it is a sinking ship. And since the coach doesn't trust him, he doesn't develop game plans, sign players that fit, etc. Bill gave up on him and the team.  This is a Bill problem, not a Mac problem.  Mac isn't great and never will be, but he certainly should be better than he is.  He and the team played very well till that Bills game. Downhill ever since. 

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Blaming only the QBs to me is the easy route. Belichick the GM has been the problem, and frankly even his coaching nowadays is extremely subpar. All the penalties, lack of fundamentals, poor special teams. Isn't Belichick supposed to be a genius at that + instilling a system? Because this whole operation has become dysfunctional since Brady was shown the door after 2019. That and the lack of spending outside of that rare spree in 2021. There's also a clear lack of talent on the roster and it shows when we play these good teams.

Then you have horrible decisions like having Patricia/Judge run offense, Cam Achord still being a Special Teams coach despite being awful at it. Dysfunctional.

There's a ton of problems with this team. Hell, even our kicker right now is very unreliable. If only the GM didn't let Folk go though!

Earlier today I was watching NFL highlights and saw Folk make a kick for the Titans, and I was thinking, "Why'd New England let him go?" Then, not long after, Ryland misses a FG for New England and they lose again. SMH

Of course, today's loss does help their draft position, which I'm happy about, but it's nonetheless painful to watch this team be so bad.

[green_bballers13]

Mac Jones was a good QB for the first half of his rookie year.  Then the Bills game happened and he has gotten considerably worse since.  I know you all think I'm crazy because I attribute that game to the beginning of the end of Mac Jones in NE.  But, I absolutely maintain you cannot tell the world that you have so little faith in your QB's arm that you only throw the ball 3 times in a 4 point game.  Because you aren't just telling the world that, you are telling the QB and his teammates that you don't trust him to throw the ball. You can't have a QB that you don't trust.  Period. And Bill doesn't trust Mac and probably never has, but it was apparent to everyone, including Mac, after that Bills game.

You really just have to retire this take man. I know we have disagreed on a lot over the years but this is the first take that you have had that is so objectively illogical I can’t figure out how you really believe it. I know people have said to not take the bait on such a silly take but I will one more time for ol times sake. Is your take that professional athletes, even first round picks that experienced massive success in college, are extremely mentally fragile and they are one bad game script away from just having their careers ruined? Like if we let neismith play 5 more minutes in two games In December of his rookie year he becomes an all star? I think it is clear to everyone watching the patriots and Mac that he is not a good quarterback and was never gonna be a great player even if he got drafted on the 1991 cowboys. He is has an average to weak arm, he isn’t particularly mobile, he has shown poor decision making throughout his career. We are saying we moved him from Trent dilfer to Gardner minshew with one game or what?

I mean, if Mac is that mentally weak then there's no way he was going to end up as a successful NFL QB.  His first sign of adversity and he mentally turtles for multiple seasons?

Your coach gelling you and the world that he doesn't trust you is not adversity, it is a sinking ship. And since the coach doesn't trust him, he doesn't develop game plans, sign players that fit, etc. Bill gave up on him and the team.  This is a Bill problem, not a Mac problem.  Mac isn't great and never will be, but he certainly should be better than he is.  He and the team played very well till that Bills game. Downhill ever since.

The problem is everyone. The players, the coaches, and the GM. This season has been a total loss. I want them to sign Gardner Minshew and draft Marvin Harrison, or trade out of the top pick. There's a chance that Caleb Williams is special, but he hasn't shown it.

Also, other guys are right here. Mac Jones wasn't ruined by one game (a win in Buffalo). It's been a series of events. This is a second request to retire this take on Celtics Strong. We also don't need to hear more about your opinions of Jaylen Brown. We have heard you.

[Phantom255x]

Blaming only the QBs to me is the easy route. Belichick the GM has been the problem, and frankly even his coaching nowadays is extremely subpar. All the penalties, lack of fundamentals, poor special teams. Isn't Belichick supposed to be a genius at that + instilling a system? Because this whole operation has become dysfunctional since Brady was shown the door after 2019. That and the lack of spending outside of that rare spree in 2021. There's also a clear lack of talent on the roster and it shows when we play these good teams.

Then you have horrible decisions like having Patricia/Judge run offense, Cam Achord still being a Special Teams coach despite being awful at it. Dysfunctional.

There's a ton of problems with this team. Hell, even our kicker right now is very unreliable. If only the GM didn't let Folk go though!

Earlier today I was watching NFL highlights and saw Folk make a kick for the Titans, and I was thinking, "Why'd New England let him go?" Then, not long after, Ryland misses a FG for New England and they lose again. SMH

Of course, today's loss does help their draft position, which I'm happy about, but it's nonetheless painful to watch this team be so bad.

I am in no way comparing a kicker to Tom Brady of course. But the way they departed is similar. Belichick probably thought, "eh I could win even with an average/younger guy" and took it for granted. I agree Folk at his age currently doesn't really have the range for beyond 53+ yards, but the guy is super reliable and pure money from inside 50. The guy Belichick drafted is very inconsistent and while he has a huge leg, isn't always accurate. I'm pretty sure he even missed another chip shot in a recent game which was crucial, but I forgot which one (maybe Colts in Germany?). Oh and even today, they apparently didn't trust Ryland to kick 54+ yarders so what's the point??

Teams have stud kickers who they took late in the draft or undrafted. If this guy is a miss, then yikes what a waste of a 4th rounder.

And on another note, you had another reliable guy in Meyers and instead replaced him with JuJu for similar money because "he's replaceable" and go figure, their receiving corps is even worse. Meyers meanwhile with 7 catches for 79 yards today.

Belichick hates talent and doesn't value it, especially on offense.

[ozgod]

Not gonna lie my heart was in my mouth when Ryland lined up that kick. Then when he hooked it was like awesome we escaped with a loss! Tank still on!

[keevsnick]

Mac Jones just looks lost to me right now. Its like he's so hyper aware that the offense stinks that he's forcing throws, which of course leads to TO's and just makes things worse.

I think he can be a starter level in this league, we've seen it, but he needs the right system/team and this one isn't it. Best the Pats draft a franchise this and move on.

[Donoghus]

Pats have a boatload of needs;  OL, WR, probably QB, among others.

Really wonder if they would take a top 3 pick and trade down to build up more draft capital. 

[keevsnick]

Pats have a boatload of needs;  OL, WR, probably QB, among others.

Really wonder if they would take a top 3 pick and trade down to build up more draft capital.

Imagine how many 4th and 5th rounders they could trade down for if they get a top 3 three pick.

[Donoghus]

Pats have a boatload of needs;  OL, WR, probably QB, among others.

Really wonder if they would take a top 3 pick and trade down to build up more draft capital.

Imagine how many 4th and 5th rounders they could trade down for if they get a top 3 three pick.

You're getting a lot more value than 4th & 5th rounders if you're trading a top 3 first round pick.

[keevsnick]

Pats have a boatload of needs;  OL, WR, probably QB, among others.

Really wonder if they would take a top 3 pick and trade down to build up more draft capital.

Imagine how many 4th and 5th rounders they could trade down for if they get a top 3 three pick.

You're getting a lot more value than 4th & 5th rounders if you're trading a top 3 first round pick.

Sure, but I 'd rather they just draft one of the top 2 QB's or Marvin Harrison Jr.

[johnnygreen]

Pats have a boatload of needs;  OL, WR, probably QB, among others.

Really wonder if they would take a top 3 pick and trade down to build up more draft capital.

The Patriots have a ton of needs, especially offensively. I don't know if I trust Caleb Williams or Drake May at QB. They may be better off drafting a blue chip player in Marvin Harrison Jr or the Penn St OT Fashanu.

[Donoghus]

Pats have a boatload of needs;  OL, WR, probably QB, among others.

Really wonder if they would take a top 3 pick and trade down to build up more draft capital.

Imagine how many 4th and 5th rounders they could trade down for if they get a top 3 three pick.

You're getting a lot more value than 4th & 5th rounders if you're trading a top 3 first round pick.

Sure, but I 'd rather they just draft one of the top 2 QB's or Marvin Harrison Jr.

Which they might very well do.  I just wouldn't put it past Belichick to go the trade route given his track record plus his close relationship with Jimmy Johnson who could teach a masters class in managing the draft.

[Donoghus]

On the bright side, we're getting Pat the Patriot again this Sunday