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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1635 on: January 08, 2024, 11:43:55 PM »

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I would be all in for Josh McDaniels returning as Offensive Coordinator. He is a lousy HC but a terrific OC.  It was under his tutelage that Mac Jones thrived as a rookie. I don't want Mac back, but it McDaniels obviously knows out to run an offense.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1636 on: January 09, 2024, 12:39:44 AM »

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Jim Harbaugh is a winner and a champion. RKK, make the move and get him here.


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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1637 on: January 09, 2024, 01:32:20 AM »

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Jim Harbaugh is a winner and a champion. RKK, make the move and get him here.

Doubt that’s happening, but maybe the Pats can draft Everett’s own Mike Sainristil as a consolation prize.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1638 on: January 09, 2024, 12:21:45 PM »

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When should we expect to hear something on Bill?

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1639 on: January 09, 2024, 01:01:27 PM »

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Reading what little is out and trying to read between the lines, it sounds like Bill the coach is going to be back, but Bill the GM may not be
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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1640 on: January 09, 2024, 01:05:09 PM »

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Mike Vrabel fired by Tennessee.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1641 on: January 09, 2024, 01:08:50 PM »

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With Vrabel being fired, a dream scenario for Robert Kraft may have just presented itself. The only question that remains is, does Kraft have the stones to fire Bill.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1642 on: January 09, 2024, 01:24:02 PM »

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Reading what little is out and trying to read between the lines, it sounds like Bill the coach is going to be back, but Bill the GM may not be

I sure hope so. I would absolutely hate it if we fired Bill the coach. He has earned the right to be here as long as he wants and it's not like there's any guarantee we are going to find anybody better. It's unbelievable how many people want him fired. Just a bunch of ungrateful brats imo.

Bringing back McDaniels also seems like the safest bet. Bill has always been fantastic on the defensive side of the ball and McDaniels clearly knows how to run an offense. I think it's safe to say the Pats have officially bottomed out - at least on offense - now it's time to build back up from here.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1643 on: January 09, 2024, 01:51:35 PM »

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With Vrabel being fired, a dream scenario for Robert Kraft may have just presented itself. The only question that remains is, does Kraft have the stones to fire Bill.

Vrabel was 7-10 last year and 6-11 this season. All set with that. I’d rather keep Bill.
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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1644 on: January 09, 2024, 01:54:56 PM »

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With Vrabel being fired, a dream scenario for Robert Kraft may have just presented itself. The only question that remains is, does Kraft have the stones to fire Bill.

Vrabel was 7-10 last year and 6-11 this season. All set with that. I’d rather keep Bill.

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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1645 on: January 09, 2024, 01:58:35 PM »

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With Vrabel being fired, a dream scenario for Robert Kraft may have just presented itself. The only question that remains is, does Kraft have the stones to fire Bill.

Vrabel was 7-10 last year and 6-11 this season. All set with that. I’d rather keep Bill.

If we're bringing up the past two seasons, I seriously have to question if you followed the Patriots. The past two seasons are exactly why Bill has to go.

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« Reply #1646 on: January 09, 2024, 01:59:29 PM »

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Reading what little is out and trying to read between the lines, it sounds like Bill the coach is going to be back, but Bill the GM may not be

I just don't see this, but who knows. 70+ yo men aren't known for flexibility and changing their ways.

Maybe Bill isn't stubborn, and is willing to take on a boss for the first time in decades....
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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1647 on: January 09, 2024, 02:04:29 PM »

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With Vrabel being fired, a dream scenario for Robert Kraft may have just presented itself. The only question that remains is, does Kraft have the stones to fire Bill.

Vrabel was 7-10 last year and 6-11 this season. All set with that. I’d rather keep Bill.

Yeah, I don't quite understand the fascination with Vrabel.

They don't have a good QB either, that is probably the main problem.  Vrabel did coach some good teams.  I don't know if he is a great coach or the right coach, it it tough to know.  But there is more to it than just the team record.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1648 on: January 09, 2024, 03:11:41 PM »

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Reading what little is out and trying to read between the lines, it sounds like Bill the coach is going to be back, but Bill the GM may not be

I sure hope so. I would absolutely hate it if we fired Bill the coach. He has earned the right to be here as long as he wants and it's not like there's any guarantee we are going to find anybody better. It's unbelievable how many people want him fired. Just a bunch of ungrateful brats imo.

Bringing back McDaniels also seems like the safest bet. Bill has always been fantastic on the defensive side of the ball and McDaniels clearly knows how to run an offense. I think it's safe to say the Pats have officially bottomed out - at least on offense - now it's time to build back up from here.

Things can always get worse actually. And do you know who was really ungrateful? Bill Belichick. He tried to dump Brady years ago for Jimmy G. Whoops! Then he finally pushed him out the door in 2019.

Because, as it has been reported, the Pats think they can turn any high school QB into an all-pro. Which is the height of hubris and disrespect.

Turns out that if you don't have an all-time great at QB then you actually need to draft well to have a functional offense. But unfortunately BB hasn't selected anybody good at catching the ball since he snagged Gronk and Edelman back in the aughts.

And honestly I'm tired of his meanspiritedness with the media. It's pathetic and is a terrible look for our franchise. Act like a professional and a decent human being. We're expected to believe he's some sort of victim here when his own behavior has been reprehensible. There's a reason so many fans and media commentators are dancing on his grave.

Bill has had a magnificent run but he also set himself up for everything he's getting right now.  Blaming the fans is just wrong.

With all that being said, I do still think he can coach. If he can truly put his ago aside and defer to a new GM, I would be amenable to giving him another shot as a coach only. But this isn't a lifetime appointment. This is a league where results matter, and the old must make way for the new. Bill knows this. He must adapt or fall on his sword gracefully. But we've seen the last few years has not been graceful, classy, or professional. It has been a dumpster fire replete with constant media leaks, hit pieces, and staff turnover, the hallmarks of dysfunctional organizations.

The last thing he or the franchise needs is continued drama and embarrassment. Maybe getting a full-time GM and keeping Bill as HC will improve things. Or it could send the apple cart tumbling off the cliff. As a fan I hope it's the former scenario. Nothing would be better than to climb back to the mountaintop with the coach who led us there six times prior.


Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1649 on: January 09, 2024, 03:40:22 PM »

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With Vrabel being fired, a dream scenario for Robert Kraft may have just presented itself. The only question that remains is, does Kraft have the stones to fire Bill.

Vrabel was 7-10 last year and 6-11 this season. All set with that. I’d rather keep Bill.

If we're bringing up the past two seasons, I seriously have to question if you followed the Patriots. The past two seasons are exactly why Bill has to go.

*Why Bill the GM must go. He’s still the best defensive coach in the league. He just needs someone else to handle the offense(McDaniels?) and the personnel. It’s too much for one person to do, especially at his age.
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