Patriots 2023 Season

[A Future of Stevens]

I think all we can hope for now is that they do their due diligence on the top players, and see what happens.

I know the common take is going to be to just take MHJ. I would tend to lean tackle if we stay put. A lot of the direction the team takes is going to depend on what they do in FA (always feels strange that it happens before the draft. I guess I am just used to the NBA haha.)

[Moranis]

The Pats should either trade up for their QB or trade back for additional assets.

A potential interesting trade

3

for

Fields, 9, 41, 2025 3rd

Chicago drafts Williams 1 and then moves up for Harrison or their top tackle at 3 (similar to what Houston did last year). New England gets a 2 year look at Fields, can still probably get a tackle at 9, and adds some extra depth.

[johnnygreen]

The Pats should either trade up for their QB or trade back for additional assets.

A potential interesting trade

3

for

Fields, 9, 41, 2025 3rd

Chicago drafts Williams 1 and then moves up for Harrison or their top tackle at 3 (similar to what Houston did last year). New England gets a 2 year look at Fields, can still probably get a tackle at 9, and adds some extra depth.

That would be a truly awful return for the #3 overall pick. I wouldn't consider trading the pick unless it was Chicago's #9 pick and their first round pick in next year's draft.

[Goldstar88]

The Pats should either trade up for their QB or trade back for additional assets.

A potential interesting trade

3

for

Fields, 9, 41, 2025 3rd

Chicago drafts Williams 1 and then moves up for Harrison or their top tackle at 3 (similar to what Houston did last year). New England gets a 2 year look at Fields, can still probably get a tackle at 9, and adds some extra depth.

That would be a truly awful return for the #3 overall pick. I wouldn't consider trading the pick unless it was Chicago's #9 pick and their first round pick in next year's draft.

Agreed. Might as well just keep Mac. Fields has had zero good seasons and he’s going into year 4. Would be a terrible trade.

[Moranis]

The Pats should either trade up for their QB or trade back for additional assets.

A potential interesting trade

3

for

Fields, 9, 41, 2025 3rd

Chicago drafts Williams 1 and then moves up for Harrison or their top tackle at 3 (similar to what Houston did last year). New England gets a 2 year look at Fields, can still probably get a tackle at 9, and adds some extra depth.

That would be a truly awful return for the #3 overall pick. I wouldn't consider trading the pick unless it was Chicago's #9 pick and their first round pick in next year's draft.

using the value chart, that is the same value if you count Fields as valued around the 70th pick. 

Fields is significantly better than Mac.

[Donoghus]

I imagine the starting point for a trade from a value standpoint would be something along the lines of the HOU trade last year to get Andersen. 

HOU: received #3 pick, #105 pick

AZ: received #12 pick, #33 pick, 2024 1st rounder & 2024 3rd rounder.

[Neurotic Guy]

I imagine the starting point for a trade from a value standpoint would be something along the lines of the HOU trade last year to get Stroud. 

HOU: received #3 pick, #105 pick

AZ: received #12 pick, #33 pick, 2024 1st rounder & 2024 3rd rounder.

That would be amazing return. If pats believe they have a franchise qb in Daniels or Penix, they risk losing him, but that’s 4 good picks - one being 12 where you could get Penix or a top OT or WR (or trade down again).


Arizona should have themselves a nice draft this year.

[A Future of Stevens]

I imagine the starting point for a trade from a value standpoint would be something along the lines of the HOU trade last year to get Stroud. 

HOU: received #3 pick, #105 pick

AZ: received #12 pick, #33 pick, 2024 1st rounder & 2024 3rd rounder.

I agree the framework would look something along that value. Stroud went 2nd, so that trade for the #3 was for Will Anderson (edge.) He was viewed as the best non-QB prospect, so it is almost the same exact spot we are in. MHJ is viewed as the best non QB prospect, and there are 2 blue chip tackles that teams could love.

[Donoghus]

I imagine the starting point for a trade from a value standpoint would be something along the lines of the HOU trade last year to get Stroud. 

HOU: received #3 pick, #105 pick

AZ: received #12 pick, #33 pick, 2024 1st rounder & 2024 3rd rounder.

I agree the framework would look something along that value. Stroud went 2nd, so that trade for the #3 was for Will Anderson (edge.) He was viewed as the best non-QB prospect, so it is almost the same exact spot we are in. MHJ is viewed as the best non QB prospect, and there are 2 blue chip tackles that teams could love.

Yeah, sorry. I put wrong guy. I'll correct.

[johnnygreen]

One thing the Pats shouldn't do, is trade back from the #3 pick. This team needs to draft a blue chip offensive player. I also think they should keep their second round pick too, since it's so close to being a first round pick. I think they need quality over quantity in terms of talent.

[Goldstar88]

The Pats should either trade up for their QB or trade back for additional assets.

A potential interesting trade

3

for

Fields, 9, 41, 2025 3rd

Chicago drafts Williams 1 and then moves up for Harrison or their top tackle at 3 (similar to what Houston did last year). New England gets a 2 year look at Fields, can still probably get a tackle at 9, and adds some extra depth.

That would be a truly awful return for the #3 overall pick. I wouldn't consider trading the pick unless it was Chicago's #9 pick and their first round pick in next year's draft.

using the value chart, that is the same value if you count Fields as valued around the 70th pick. 

Fields is significantly better than Mac.

Yes, significantly better. 

Mac Jones career:

46TD’s, 36INT’s, 8900 yards passing, 66% completion rate, 86 passer rating.

Justin Fields career:

40TD’s, 30INT’s, 6700 yards passing, 60% completion rate, 82 passer rating.

[Amonkey]

The Pats should either trade up for their QB or trade back for additional assets.

A potential interesting trade

3

for

Fields, 9, 41, 2025 3rd

Chicago drafts Williams 1 and then moves up for Harrison or their top tackle at 3 (similar to what Houston did last year). New England gets a 2 year look at Fields, can still probably get a tackle at 9, and adds some extra depth.

That would be a truly awful return for the #3 overall pick. I wouldn't consider trading the pick unless it was Chicago's #9 pick and their first round pick in next year's draft.

using the value chart, that is the same value if you count Fields as valued around the 70th pick. 

Fields is significantly better than Mac.

Yes, significantly better. 

Mac Jones career:

46TD’s, 36INT’s, 8900 yards passing, 66% completion rate, 86 passer rating.

Justin Fields career:

40TD’s, 30INT’s, 6700 yards passing, 60% completion rate, 82 passer rating.

With my limited time watching Fields play, he did seem to have the athletic ability with legs and a strong arm. I do think he has more of an upside because if he puts them together, he can be a good QB. Mac's strength was supposed to be smart and his ability to make the right reads, although limited athletically. I think this season has shown that has been all out the window.

[johnnygreen]

The Pats should either trade up for their QB or trade back for additional assets.

A potential interesting trade

3

for

Fields, 9, 41, 2025 3rd

Chicago drafts Williams 1 and then moves up for Harrison or their top tackle at 3 (similar to what Houston did last year). New England gets a 2 year look at Fields, can still probably get a tackle at 9, and adds some extra depth.

That would be a truly awful return for the #3 overall pick. I wouldn't consider trading the pick unless it was Chicago's #9 pick and their first round pick in next year's draft.

using the value chart, that is the same value if you count Fields as valued around the 70th pick. 

Fields is significantly better than Mac.

You're also conveniently not mentioning the fact that Fields will need to be extended after the 2024 season. The trade value is not close. And no, Fields is not better than Jones.

[Moranis]

The Pats should either trade up for their QB or trade back for additional assets.

A potential interesting trade

3

for

Fields, 9, 41, 2025 3rd

Chicago drafts Williams 1 and then moves up for Harrison or their top tackle at 3 (similar to what Houston did last year). New England gets a 2 year look at Fields, can still probably get a tackle at 9, and adds some extra depth.

That would be a truly awful return for the #3 overall pick. I wouldn't consider trading the pick unless it was Chicago's #9 pick and their first round pick in next year's draft.

using the value chart, that is the same value if you count Fields as valued around the 70th pick. 

Fields is significantly better than Mac.

You're also conveniently not mentioning the fact that Fields will need to be extended after the 2024 season. The trade value is not close. And no, Fields is not better than Jones.

I used the chart that all NFL teams use and gave Fields early to mid 3rd round value.

[Moranis]

The Pats should either trade up for their QB or trade back for additional assets.

A potential interesting trade

3

for

Fields, 9, 41, 2025 3rd

Chicago drafts Williams 1 and then moves up for Harrison or their top tackle at 3 (similar to what Houston did last year). New England gets a 2 year look at Fields, can still probably get a tackle at 9, and adds some extra depth.

That would be a truly awful return for the #3 overall pick. I wouldn't consider trading the pick unless it was Chicago's #9 pick and their first round pick in next year's draft.

using the value chart, that is the same value if you count Fields as valued around the 70th pick. 

Fields is significantly better than Mac.

Yes, significantly better. 

Mac Jones career:

46TD’s, 36INT’s, 8900 yards passing, 66% completion rate, 86 passer rating.

Justin Fields career:

40TD’s, 30INT’s, 6700 yards passing, 60% completion rate, 82 passer rating.

ah yes because we should give equal weight to all seasons and not the most recent one where Mac Jones got benched for Bailey Zappe.

Fields is better than Jones, not even close.  If the Bears called the Patriots and said we will trade you Fields for Jones straight up, are you telling me the Patriots wouldn't do it?  Or better, if the Patriots and Bears put both Fields and Jones on the open market, are you telling me they'd get a similar return?  I can't honestly believe anyone thinks that.