Author Topic: Patriots 2023 Season  (Read 301413 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1515 on: January 06, 2024, 09:17:59 AM »

Offline green_bballers13

  • NCE
  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3308
  • Tommy Points: 336
Snow is likely to have some influence on whether the Pats are in line for the 2nd/3rd pick in the draft v. the 5th/6th pick.

Snow is definitely an equalizer and will likely play into the hands of the defenses - both teams’ relative strengths.

If it comes down to field goals, edge has to go to the Jets.

There's definitely drama to this game. I'm truly excited to watch a Pats game for the first time this year since Game 1 against Philly.

I'd bet the house that the Patriots win tomorrow and don't care if they can't get a QB. Throw a decent QB into this offense right now and they won't be very good. Build the team up, then get your QB.
The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1516 on: January 06, 2024, 09:36:35 AM »

Online Neurotic Guy

  • Tommy Heinsohn
  • *************************
  • Posts: 25467
  • Tommy Points: 2716
Snow is likely to have some influence on whether the Pats are in line for the 2nd/3rd pick in the draft v. the 5th/6th pick.

Snow is definitely an equalizer and will likely play into the hands of the defenses - both teams’ relative strengths.

If it comes down to field goals, edge has to go to the Jets.

There's definitely drama to this game. I'm truly excited to watch a Pats game for the first time this year since Game 1 against Philly.

I'd bet the house that the Patriots win tomorrow and don't care if they can't get a QB. Throw a decent QB into this offense right now and they won't be very good. Build the team up, then get your QB.

If Pats decision makers (whoever that may be after tomorrow) believe there is high likelihood that Maye and/or Daniels- assuming Williams goes 1- are going to be franchise QBs then you do all you can to get that QB.  If they look at Maye, Daniels, Penix, etc as nothing special, or quality that will available to you in future drafts, then yeah - draft position will be less important.  However, in that case trading down from 2 or 3 would net significant capital so draft position still matters a ton.

No doubt the Pats are likely to win tomorrow. But snow is a wild card and could mean fewer points than normal for two lackluster offenses. Trevor Siemian is due for a big game. 

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1517 on: January 06, 2024, 12:55:01 PM »

Offline SparzWizard

  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18783
  • Tommy Points: 1118
Take the under tomorrow  ;)


#FireJoe
#JTJB (Just Trade Jaylen Brown) 2022 - 2025
I am the Master of Panic.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1518 on: January 06, 2024, 02:01:42 PM »

Offline Phantom255x

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 37026
  • Tommy Points: 3376
  • On To Banner 19!
In a weird way I think Siemian starting over Zach Wilson is huge for the Jets. Say what you want about Belichick and the Pats, but they've owned Zach Wilson and Wilson just looks like a puddle out there against a Belichick defense. Has been true for 3 seasons now. Yes Zach Wilson is bad as is but he's somehow even worse against the Pats.

At least with Siemian the Jets might be able to muster some stuff up since the Pats haven't played him as much recently, and even if he makes like 3-4 impactful plays that's probably still 3-4 more than Wilson would provide.

Maybe the Jets finally break their 15-game losing streak to the Pats, and the Pats land #2 in the process
"Tough times never last, but tough people do." - Robert H. Schuller

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1519 on: January 06, 2024, 03:39:26 PM »

Offline SparzWizard

  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18783
  • Tommy Points: 1118
In a weird way I think Siemian starting over Zach Wilson is huge for the Jets. Say what you want about Belichick and the Pats, but they've owned Zach Wilson and Wilson just looks like a puddle out there against a Belichick defense. Has been true for 3 seasons now. Yes Zach Wilson is bad as is but he's somehow even worse against the Pats.

At least with Siemian the Jets might be able to muster some stuff up since the Pats haven't played him as much recently, and even if he makes like 3-4 impactful plays that's probably still 3-4 more than Wilson would provide.

Maybe the Jets finally break their 15-game losing streak to the Pats, and the Pats land #2 in the process

The one time I'll ever root for the Jets against the Patriots.

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS. Lets go!!


#FireJoe
#JTJB (Just Trade Jaylen Brown) 2022 - 2025
I am the Master of Panic.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1520 on: January 06, 2024, 04:38:40 PM »

Offline green_bballers13

  • NCE
  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3308
  • Tommy Points: 336
In a weird way I think Siemian starting over Zach Wilson is huge for the Jets. Say what you want about Belichick and the Pats, but they've owned Zach Wilson and Wilson just looks like a puddle out there against a Belichick defense. Has been true for 3 seasons now. Yes Zach Wilson is bad as is but he's somehow even worse against the Pats.

At least with Siemian the Jets might be able to muster some stuff up since the Pats haven't played him as much recently, and even if he makes like 3-4 impactful plays that's probably still 3-4 more than Wilson would provide.

Maybe the Jets finally break their 15-game losing streak to the Pats, and the Pats land #2 in the process

The one time I'll ever root for the Jets against the Patriots.

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS. Lets go!!

I'm not sure if I can root against the Patriots. I definitely know I can't root for the Jets against the Patriots.

There's virtually no chance that Belichick and his coaching staff aren't prepared for the NYJ tomorrow. I think there's a 75% chance this is Bill's last game.

I get that people fall in love with these prospects. It's still super early in the process, so we're not sure what the order is. What if Penix runs a 4.5 40? What if McCarthy does? What if Caleb's footwork in the pocket looks less developed than we thought? What if Drake Maye is less accurate than previously thought? There's too much uncertainty in January.

I agree that the Pats want a top pick, but I'm more interested in seeing Bill finish his career in NE with a win. Call it sentimental, but I'd like to cap this era of great memories with just one more.
The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1521 on: January 06, 2024, 05:54:23 PM »

Offline SparzWizard

  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18783
  • Tommy Points: 1118
In a weird way I think Siemian starting over Zach Wilson is huge for the Jets. Say what you want about Belichick and the Pats, but they've owned Zach Wilson and Wilson just looks like a puddle out there against a Belichick defense. Has been true for 3 seasons now. Yes Zach Wilson is bad as is but he's somehow even worse against the Pats.

At least with Siemian the Jets might be able to muster some stuff up since the Pats haven't played him as much recently, and even if he makes like 3-4 impactful plays that's probably still 3-4 more than Wilson would provide.

Maybe the Jets finally break their 15-game losing streak to the Pats, and the Pats land #2 in the process

The one time I'll ever root for the Jets against the Patriots.

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS. Lets go!!

I'm not sure if I can root against the Patriots. I definitely know I can't root for the Jets against the Patriots.

There's virtually no chance that Belichick and his coaching staff aren't prepared for the NYJ tomorrow. I think there's a 75% chance this is Bill's last game.

I get that people fall in love with these prospects. It's still super early in the process, so we're not sure what the order is. What if Penix runs a 4.5 40? What if McCarthy does? What if Caleb's footwork in the pocket looks less developed than we thought? What if Drake Maye is less accurate than previously thought? There's too much uncertainty in January.

I agree that the Pats want a top pick, but I'm more interested in seeing Bill finish his career in NE with a win. Call it sentimental, but I'd like to cap this era of great memories with just one more.

It'll be the same exit that Brady had when he walked off the field in Foxboro for the last time against the Tennessee Titans that night in January.

Hope to see the same with Belichick. Lose the game, waves goodbye, but more importantly (which will impact us for 10+ years), we secure a top prospect.

They did this to themselves winning those two meaningless games against the Steelers and Broncos. And Bill soured on me after he forced Brady to walk after 2019, so an unpleasant goodbye is what I want of him. Would only be fitting against the Jets (the history)-- 2010 playoffs, Rex/Bill rivalry, origin of Spygate, Buttfumble revenge, etc.


#FireJoe
#JTJB (Just Trade Jaylen Brown) 2022 - 2025
I am the Master of Panic.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1522 on: January 06, 2024, 06:00:46 PM »

Offline Phantom255x

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 37026
  • Tommy Points: 3376
  • On To Banner 19!
In a weird way I think Siemian starting over Zach Wilson is huge for the Jets. Say what you want about Belichick and the Pats, but they've owned Zach Wilson and Wilson just looks like a puddle out there against a Belichick defense. Has been true for 3 seasons now. Yes Zach Wilson is bad as is but he's somehow even worse against the Pats.

At least with Siemian the Jets might be able to muster some stuff up since the Pats haven't played him as much recently, and even if he makes like 3-4 impactful plays that's probably still 3-4 more than Wilson would provide.

Maybe the Jets finally break their 15-game losing streak to the Pats, and the Pats land #2 in the process

The one time I'll ever root for the Jets against the Patriots.

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS. Lets go!!

I'm not sure if I can root against the Patriots. I definitely know I can't root for the Jets against the Patriots.

There's virtually no chance that Belichick and his coaching staff aren't prepared for the NYJ tomorrow. I think there's a 75% chance this is Bill's last game.

I get that people fall in love with these prospects. It's still super early in the process, so we're not sure what the order is. What if Penix runs a 4.5 40? What if McCarthy does? What if Caleb's footwork in the pocket looks less developed than we thought? What if Drake Maye is less accurate than previously thought? There's too much uncertainty in January.

I agree that the Pats want a top pick, but I'm more interested in seeing Bill finish his career in NE with a win. Call it sentimental, but I'd like to cap this era of great memories with just one more.

It'll be the same exit that Brady had when he walked off the field in Foxboro for the last time against the Tennessee Titans that night in January.

Hope to see the same with Belichick. Lose the game, waves goodbye, but more importantly (which will impact us for 10+ years), we secure a top prospect.

They did this to themselves winning those two meaningless games against the Steelers and Broncos. And Bill soured on me after he forced Brady to walk after 2019, so an unpleasant goodbye is what I want of him. Would only be fitting against the Jets (the history)-- 2010 playoffs, Rex/Bill rivalry, origin of Spygate, Buttfumble revenge, etc.

I agree. Thanks for everything Belichick, but it's seriously time. This team has been mediocre since Brady left and while 2021 was pretty fun (got to the playoffs with a promising rookie QB), Belichick basically lit that on fire by hiring those two clowns (Patricia and Judge) and barely adding talent to the roster since the 2021 FA spending spree. And don't believe that it's because they had no cap space after 2021, they still have had a decent amount. They are projected to again this offseason (around 80M+), but I don't want Belichick using that nor do I want him trading back from #3 to #20 and some 4th rounders to select some more Chad Rylands. Enough.

My issue is not just Belichick the coach but also him the GM. But make no mistake, even if they kept Belichick and hired a new GM, Belichick would undermine the GM by not playing certain guys or benching them after a single drop of fumble (like he did Douglas and Boutte early in the year).

I really hope they rip the bandaid and move on. People say post-Belichick Pats will be irrelevant but what the hell are they now?? Oh yeah, irrelevant. Nobody really cares about them nor do they take them seriously, they are the "get right" game for most opponents now even the meh ones like the Commanders/Raiders/Saints.

I agree Belichick shouldn't be fired on "Black Monday" out of respect for his legacy, but they do need to announce it ASAP next week. Move on and get a new staff going. Maybe send Matt Groh out of here too and get a new, real GM in
"Tough times never last, but tough people do." - Robert H. Schuller

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1523 on: January 07, 2024, 01:34:03 PM »

Offline Phantom255x

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 37026
  • Tommy Points: 3376
  • On To Banner 19!
Jets up 3-0

Now mail it in and secure that 2nd or 3rd pick  8)
"Tough times never last, but tough people do." - Robert H. Schuller

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1524 on: January 07, 2024, 01:36:14 PM »

Offline smokeablount

  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3161
  • Tommy Points: 638
  • Mark Blount often got smoked
Jets on the board. Would have liked a Breece run on 3rd tho, maybe would’ve gotten a TD.

If we lose and fall to 4-13, do we know our worst case scenario pick? Or do we need to see how Wash/Arizona shake out?
2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1525 on: January 07, 2024, 01:43:59 PM »

Offline CelticsWhat35

  • Jim Loscutoff
  • **
  • Posts: 2954
  • Tommy Points: 356
Jets on the board. Would have liked a Breece run on 3rd tho, maybe would’ve gotten a TD.

If we lose and fall to 4-13, do we know our worst case scenario pick? Or do we need to see how Wash/Arizona shake out?

I read somewhere that a loss guarantees either 2 or 3

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1526 on: January 07, 2024, 01:52:07 PM »

Offline green_bballers13

  • NCE
  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3308
  • Tommy Points: 336
Jets on the board. Would have liked a Breece run on 3rd tho, maybe would’ve gotten a TD.

If we lose and fall to 4-13, do we know our worst case scenario pick? Or do we need to see how Wash/Arizona shake out?

Without looking at SOS, I think 7th is the worst pick. The Patriots can't finish ahead of the Jets. So maybe its 6th? Either way, it's enough to get one of the top 4 QBs or one of the top 3 tackles. They should get a good player.

I'd prefer that they trade down, considering how bad this roster is.
The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1527 on: January 07, 2024, 01:55:26 PM »

Offline Phantom255x

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 37026
  • Tommy Points: 3376
  • On To Banner 19!
Jets on the board. Would have liked a Breece run on 3rd tho, maybe would’ve gotten a TD.

If we lose and fall to 4-13, do we know our worst case scenario pick? Or do we need to see how Wash/Arizona shake out?

Without looking at SOS, I think 7th is the worst pick. The Patriots can't finish ahead of the Jets. So maybe its 6th? Either way, it's enough to get one of the top 4 QBs or one of the top 3 tackles. They should get a good player.

I'd prefer that they trade down, considering how bad this roster is.

From what I read, the best pick the Pats can have is #2, worst is #5 because a few teams in that same range will definitely end behind us anyways due to the scenarios playing out even if it's the same record (5-12)
"Tough times never last, but tough people do." - Robert H. Schuller

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1528 on: January 07, 2024, 02:03:21 PM »

Offline smokeablount

  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3161
  • Tommy Points: 638
  • Mark Blount often got smoked
Jets on the board. Would have liked a Breece run on 3rd tho, maybe would’ve gotten a TD.

If we lose and fall to 4-13, do we know our worst case scenario pick? Or do we need to see how Wash/Arizona shake out?

Without looking at SOS, I think 7th is the worst pick. The Patriots can't finish ahead of the Jets. So maybe its 6th? Either way, it's enough to get one of the top 4 QBs or one of the top 3 tackles. They should get a good player.

I'd prefer that they trade down, considering how bad this roster is.

From what I read, the best pick the Pats can have is #2, worst is #5 because a few teams in that same range will definitely end behind us anyways due to the scenarios playing out even if it's the same record (5-12)

So is it certain that if we lose, we get a top 3 pick?

Jets retake the lead.
2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1529 on: January 07, 2024, 02:05:35 PM »

Offline Phantom255x

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 37026
  • Tommy Points: 3376
  • On To Banner 19!
Jets on the board. Would have liked a Breece run on 3rd tho, maybe would’ve gotten a TD.

If we lose and fall to 4-13, do we know our worst case scenario pick? Or do we need to see how Wash/Arizona shake out?

Without looking at SOS, I think 7th is the worst pick. The Patriots can't finish ahead of the Jets. So maybe its 6th? Either way, it's enough to get one of the top 4 QBs or one of the top 3 tackles. They should get a good player.

I'd prefer that they trade down, considering how bad this roster is.

From what I read, the best pick the Pats can have is #2, worst is #5 because a few teams in that same range will definitely end behind us anyways due to the scenarios playing out even if it's the same record (5-12)

So is it certain that if we lose, we get a top 3 pick?

Jets retake the lead.

Yes, there's only 4 teams with fewer than 5 wins which would include the Patriots. Cardinals would stay 4 because their SOS % is much higher than Washington/New England. Then between WAS/NE it comes down to SOS % tiebreaker. WAS currently has the edge there but there are scenarios where NE could retake #2. I believe one of them primarily is hoping Atlanta wins today.
"Tough times never last, but tough people do." - Robert H. Schuller