Free agency starts / reported signings (merged)

[liam]

Bane max extension... Wow.

Jeez! $207mil over 5yrs.

My personal butterfly effect theory for this is that it’s all Liam’s fault

TP

[tazzmaniac]

Bane max extension... Wow.

Jeez! $207mil over 5yrs.

My personal butterfly effect theory for this is that it’s all Liam’s fault

TP

I think they're all in denial that we could have had Bane for really cheap for 4 seasons.  He'll still only be making 3.8M next season.  Good chance we'd have #18 and maybe #19.  I've forgotten was Ainge's stupid decision or Stevens'? 

[keevsnick]

Haliburton gets 5yrs $260mil from Indy

Just to be clear I think that's IF he makes all nba next year, that would be the five-year 30% max. Its probably worded as the 25% max for 5 if he doesn't, the 30% max for 5 if he does make all nba.

[Celtics2021]

Bane max extension... Wow.

Jeez! $207mil over 5yrs.

My personal butterfly effect theory for this is that it’s all Liam’s fault

TP

I think they're all in denial that we could have had Bane for really cheap for 4 seasons.  He'll still only be making 3.8M next season.  Good chance we'd have #18 and maybe #19.  I've forgotten was Ainge's stupid decision or Stevens'?

It was Ainge’s last draft.

[keevsnick]

Bane max extension... Wow.

Jeez! $207mil over 5yrs.

My personal butterfly effect theory for this is that it’s all Liam’s fault

TP

I think they're all in denial that we could have had Bane for really cheap for 4 seasons.  He'll still only be making 3.8M next season.  Good chance we'd have #18 and maybe #19.  I've forgotten was Ainge's stupid decision or Stevens'?

People are still adjusting to these numbers. The cap is at 136 this year, all time high, but its likely going to rise close to the maximum 10% most years especially when the new TV rights deal kicks in. There's going to be record contracts set pretty much every year.

Back of envelope math but if the cap rises full 10% each of next two years ity will be 164.6 in 25-26. If Tatum signs the 35% super max his contract would kick in that year at roughly 334/5 years.

[SparzWizard]

Woj: Max Strus to the Cavs for 4yr/$63M deal

[liam]

Woj: Max Strus to the Cavs for 4yr/$63M deal

I like Strus but WOW! That seems like a lot for a bench guy.

[hardlyyardley]

Don't understand the trade...what did San Antonio give up to get two players and a pick

[kraidstar]

Woj: Max Strus to the Cavs for 4yr/$63M deal

They will regret that deal. These are "system guys" who benefited from the Heat ball movement.

The success of Martin, Vincent,  and Strus is an indictment of the rest of the league. They are a serious organization in an unserious league. Spoelstra is not kidding when he implores his players to be "men."

It sounds silly, but professionalism and unselfishness can produce great success in this league.

[keevsnick]

Don't understand the trade...what did San Antonio give up to get two players and a pick

MIA is close to the tax, they didn't want the money that was coming from CLE. So CLE sends the money to SAS with a pick to incentive them. They get Strus, MIA gets a 2nd and a TPE for half of Stru's first year salary.

In other words SAS "gave up" cap space.

[keevsnick]

Woj: Max Strus to the Cavs for 4yr/$63M deal

They will regret that deal. These are "system guys" who benefited from the Heat ball movement.

The success of Martin, Vincent,  and Strus is an indictment of the rest of the league. They are a serious organization in an unserious league. Spoelstra is not kidding when he implores his players to be "men."

It sounds silly, but professionalism and unselfishness can produce great success in this league.

Ya I sort of agree. You usually don't want to be the team handing out a contract to a guy after a big playoff run, its usually an overpay.

On the other hand CLE needs shooting, desperately, and they have very few avenues for improvement so I do get it from their perspective.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Don't understand the trade...what did San Antonio give up to get two players and a pick

MIA is close to the tax, they didn't want the money that was coming from CLE. So CLE sends the money to SAS with a pick to incentive them. They get Strus, MIA gets a 2nd and a TPE for half of Stru's first year salary.

In other words SAS "gave up" cap space.

Kinda' like I thought. Spurs not really trying to sign anyone. Just using their cap space to get assets. I like Osman as a backup.

[Who]

I would've thought something in the 5yrs $125-150mil range for Bane.

Probably closer to the $30mil per year than $25mil. He is a top 10 SG. Lot of those 11-17th rank starters are getting $18-23mil. So let's go with the $150/5yrs marker.

Heck, Bane is better than Jerami Grant ($32mil per) or Kyle Kuzma ($26mil per).

Bane is a big part of the reason that the Grizz performance doesn't drop much with Morant out.  He has the best on/off differential for the Grizz.  Not sure what you mean by 11-17th rank but I'd suggest he's better than top 10 SG. 

JB is about to get SuperMax.  Is there really that much of a difference between JB and Bane?  If JB and Bane were swapped, would there be a significant difference in performance for the Celts?  Might even be a bit better due to better fit with Tatum and the offense being run.

The 11th-17th rank type players I was thinking of our guys D White, Smart (former player) and Brogdon. I'd rank all of them in that range. And looking at what they earn ... clearly Bane is more valuable than all of them performance wise and deserves a bigger payday. So more of a top 10 SG than in that lower 11-17 range and he deserves to be paid like it.


The Bane on/off stats are very interesting. A lot of Grizzly fans feel Bane is their most irreplaceable player. He is the guy they fear getting hurt and being out a long time the most. Morant appears to be the easiest to replace. Then JJJ in the middle.

I would like to see Bane miss an extended period to see how much that holds up. They have a top notch shooter now in Kennard who can replace him. Not the all-round player than Bane is but Kennard can maintain the shooting threat than Bane offers. How much of Bane's on/off is due to the lack of alternate strong outside shooters in the lineup?

And now they have Smart as well who unlike Tyus Jones has the size to play SG well next to Morant. So much better equipped to deal with an injury to Bane than in the past.

[Who]

I would've thought something in the 5yrs $125-150mil range for Bane.

Probably closer to the $30mil per year than $25mil. He is a top 10 SG. Lot of those 11-17th rank starters are getting $18-23mil. So let's go with the $150/5yrs marker.

Heck, Bane is better than Jerami Grant ($32mil per) or Kyle Kuzma ($26mil per).

Bane is a big part of the reason that the Grizz performance doesn't drop much with Morant out.  He has the best on/off differential for the Grizz.  Not sure what you mean by 11-17th rank but I'd suggest he's better than top 10 SG. 

JB is about to get SuperMax.  Is there really that much of a difference between JB and Bane?  If JB and Bane were swapped, would there be a significant difference in performance for the Celts?  Might even be a bit better due to better fit with Tatum and the offense being run.

Yes, I wonder about that Jaylen vs Bane if they swap places hypothetical. Would Boston be any worse or better off? Would Memphis be any better or worse off?

I was trying to figure out just how highly to rate Bane during the playoffs because I wasn't happy with where I had pegged him. I couldn't make up my mind so I left him as a top 10 SG.

For comparison, here are the other top 10 SGs = Devin Booker, Shia Gilgeous Alexander, Donovan Mitchell, James Harden, Jaylen Brown, Mikal Bridges, Zach LaVine, Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Ball, Desmond Bane

That is in rough order.

The Bane on/off stats are very interesting. A lot of Grizzly fans feel Bane is their most irreplaceable player. He is the guy they fear getting hurt and being out a long time the most. Morant appears to be the easiest to replace. Then JJJ in the middle.

There is a part of me that wonders if Bane is roughly as valuable as Ja Morant on the floor. That Bane as a low mistake almost entirely positive contributions has as large a net impact as Morant does who makes more positive plays but also has far more negative plays.

I mean Morant plays poor defense despite being perhaps the most athletic PG in the league. He has a bad outside shot that hurts their spacing and team offense. Now he has positives that overcome that and make him a large net benefit to the team but those negatives chip a fair bit off of his positive contributions.

A guy like Bane who plays good defense, is a lights out shooter who gives some of the best spacing / gravity of any player in the league and provides solid secondary ball-handling and passing ... is he better than Morant?

I don't mean in terms of potential. Morant if he fixes his defense and develops a shot, would clearly be the far more valuable player but that is potential not current performance. On a current performance basis, is Morant any better than Bane? I am not sure he is.


Back to Jaylen and Bane.

I lean towards the team being better with Bane than Jaylen due to Bane's shooting and low error style of play. Or at worst, comparable with Bane vs Jaylen. I don't think we'd be worse off with Bane vs Jaylen.

As for Jaylen in Memphis, I do think Memphis would be worse off. They already lack outside shooting. They lack secondary ball-handling and passing from SG / SF / PF positions. Jaylen more mistake prone. Jaylen more individualistic on offense. Worse fit next to Morant.


I also wonder how much of that is Jaylen having the game of a SF rather than a guard. He is a physical slasher and defender/rebounder rather than a shooter & secondary ball-handler / playmaker that you expect from your SG.

If Memphis can rejig their lineup with Jaylen at SF and bring in a new SG who can shoot, the team suddenly becomes very interesting very fast. And could be an improvement over the team with Bane and whatever SF they scrounge up to start next to him.

[Who]

Don't understand the trade...what did San Antonio give up to get two players and a pick

MIA is close to the tax, they didn't want the money that was coming from CLE. So CLE sends the money to SAS with a pick to incentive them. They get Strus, MIA gets a 2nd and a TPE for half of Stru's first year salary.

In other words SAS "gave up" cap space.

Kinda' like I thought. Spurs not really trying to sign anyone. Just using their cap space to get assets. I like Osman as a backup.

Oh wow, they gave up Osman? Bad move. I am not even convinced Strus is better than Osman. Great pickup for the Spurs.

Keldon Johnson and Cedi Osman is a good 1-2 punch at SF for San Antonio.