Jaylen Brown Supermax

[CelticsWhat35]

There are many small details of negotiations that could be worked out.  Options and incentives are obviously the biggest, but trade bonuses are also something, and even signing bonuses and salary advances are negotiable points.

If Brown intends to sign and the Celtics don’t intend to trade him, and both sides know both things to be true, there’s no actual hurry for a deal to get done.  The official deadline is in October, they’d certainly like one before training camp, and ideally while everyone is still in Vegas.  But sometimes negotiating over even small points requires deadlines to make people give up a position.

I’m personally in such a situation now at work.  Been negotiating with a company since October.  We had a soft deadline of March 15th.  We blew through that and set a “hard deadline” of June 15th.  But since all the time we all knew that the for real deadline was July 15th, we barely talked for April and May, and really started talking again in June 10th.  And now it’s July 10th, and we’ll probably agree to something in the next few days that looks 95% like a proposal that was made in mid-January, but there was no deadline so both sides kept negotiating until they were convinced they got the best they could.

In other words, it could be about something as seemingly small as when his salary is paid throughout the year.  It could be much larger also, but there’s very little that can be read into the situation from the outside.

This.

I agree about the team, but I can think of about 300 million reasons why Jaylen would want to get it done sooner

[johnnygreen]

I guess when your 26 years old and have no family, planning for your future (estate) is not a priority. I know I would have signed that contract right away, knowing if something happened to me, my family would have an additional $300M.

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/theathleticnba/status/1678471900387745792?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Jaylen Brown’s camp and the Celtics are starting to make progress on a contract extension, sources tell @JaredWeissNBA.

The two sides are likely moving closer to an agreement over the coming week.

[Roy H.]

There was continued dialogue between Jaylen Brown’s camp and the Celtics over the weekend, league sources said, but the sides are still negotiating, and as of Monday morning no deal was imminent. League sources said that there is confidence and hope that an agreement will be reached soon, but it’s unclear how far they are from the finish line. One league source said that “there is work to be done.”
– via Boston Globe

Jaylen Brown, Boston Celtics
By all indications, the Celtics are offering Brown the full five-year max, but there are various incentives that are likely under discussion. This past season, for example, Brown earned an extra $2 million for playing in 65 games and appearing in the All-Star Game. There could be some discussion over incentives included in this extension that are unlikely to be obtained, such as a bonus for being named league MVP. But according to one former NBA general manager, it’s unlikely that the sides are haggling over those details at this point. The former executive said that the holdup is most likely over a fifth-year player option and/or a potential no-trade clause.
– via Boston Globe

[celticsclay]

There was continued dialogue between Jaylen Brown’s camp and the Celtics over the weekend, league sources said, but the sides are still negotiating, and as of Monday morning no deal was imminent. League sources said that there is confidence and hope that an agreement will be reached soon, but it’s unclear how far they are from the finish line. One league source said that “there is work to be done.”
– via Boston Globe

Jaylen Brown, Boston Celtics
By all indications, the Celtics are offering Brown the full five-year max, but there are various incentives that are likely under discussion. This past season, for example, Brown earned an extra $2 million for playing in 65 games and appearing in the All-Star Game. There could be some discussion over incentives included in this extension that are unlikely to be obtained, such as a bonus for being named league MVP. But according to one former NBA general manager, it’s unlikely that the sides are haggling over those details at this point. The former executive said that the holdup is most likely over a fifth-year player option and/or a potential no-trade clause.
– via Boston Globe

Was beal the only active no trade clause in league?

[Vermont Green]

There was continued dialogue between Jaylen Brown’s camp and the Celtics over the weekend, league sources said, but the sides are still negotiating, and as of Monday morning no deal was imminent. League sources said that there is confidence and hope that an agreement will be reached soon, but it’s unclear how far they are from the finish line. One league source said that “there is work to be done.”
– via Boston Globe

Jaylen Brown, Boston Celtics
By all indications, the Celtics are offering Brown the full five-year max, but there are various incentives that are likely under discussion. This past season, for example, Brown earned an extra $2 million for playing in 65 games and appearing in the All-Star Game. There could be some discussion over incentives included in this extension that are unlikely to be obtained, such as a bonus for being named league MVP. But according to one former NBA general manager, it’s unlikely that the sides are haggling over those details at this point. The former executive said that the holdup is most likely over a fifth-year player option and/or a potential no-trade clause.
– via Boston Globe

If this speculation is accurate, that the hold up is the 5th year option and/or a no-trade clause, I would say that the $$ would need to reduce if he wants either.  A straight supermax contract is already a crazy good contract for him.  No way they should layer a 5th year option and a no-trade clause on top of that, well, at least the no-trade clause for sure.  I don't know how customary the 5th year options are.

[cman88]

I dont think Jaylen is eligible for a no trade clause since he hasnt been in the league for 8 years.

[Celtics2021]

I dont think Jaylen is eligible for a no trade clause since he hasnt been in the league for 8 years.

That's my understanding too, but perhaps he would be since the first year of the extension starts in year 9.  Designated veteran contracts have a different set of rules from everything else.

[jpotter33]

There’s is absolutely zero way we should give him a no trade clause. That should be a hard no. We just saw what happened with Beal and what’s happening with Dame.

I’m sure he would want one because he’s been sensitive to the trade talk, but that’s a no-go for me, especially on a contract that’s already borderline too much for him.

[celticsclay]

There’s is absolutely zero way we should give him a no trade clause. That should be a hard no. We just saw what happened with Beal and what’s happening with Dame.

I’m sure he would want one because he’s been sensitive to the trade talk, but that’s a no-go for me, especially on a contract that’s already borderline too much for him.

I agree we shouldn’t give him a ntc, although I wouldn’t lose him over it. But I am confused by the beal Lilliard part. Beal had one they traded him rather easily/Quickly but Lilliard does not have one and is acting like he does right?

[jpotter33]

There’s is absolutely zero way we should give him a no trade clause. That should be a hard no. We just saw what happened with Beal and what’s happening with Dame.

I’m sure he would want one because he’s been sensitive to the trade talk, but that’s a no-go for me, especially on a contract that’s already borderline too much for him.

I agree we shouldn’t give him a ntc, although I wouldn’t lose him over it. But I am confused by the beal Lilliard part. Beal had one they traded him rather easily/Quickly but Lilliard does not have one and is acting like he does right?

Well, that’s what I’m saying. The league has already trended to stars demanding to go where they want to go, limiting the market already. You’re seeing what Portland is having to do with Lillard right now; if he had a NTC that deal is probably already done with them getting 25 cents on the dollar. And Beal dictated where he would go, even though they didn’t have much to offer. Though Beal’s value to his contract complicates that some, as his contract currently is not viewed favorably given his production, which itself hampered his market.

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/briantrobb/status/1678518971643953152?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Nice article by Robb on the extension issues and how KP’s acquisition complicated things. He seems to suggest, too, that a NTC is not a possibility, but other deterrences to a trade (like a trade kicker) may be being negotiated.

[celticsclay]

There’s is absolutely zero way we should give him a no trade clause. That should be a hard no. We just saw what happened with Beal and what’s happening with Dame.

I’m sure he would want one because he’s been sensitive to the trade talk, but that’s a no-go for me, especially on a contract that’s already borderline too much for him.

I agree we shouldn’t give him a ntc, although I wouldn’t lose him over it. But I am confused by the beal Lilliard part. Beal had one they traded him rather easily/Quickly but Lilliard does not have one and is acting like he does right?

Well, that’s what I’m saying. The league has already trended to stars demanding to go where they want to go, limiting the market already. You’re seeing what Portland is having to do with Lillard right now; if he had a NTC that deal is probably already done with them getting 25 cents on the dollar. And Beal dictated where he would go, even though they didn’t have much to offer. Though Beal’s value to his contract complicates that some, as his contract currently is not viewed favorably given his production, which itself hampered his market.

I think beal didn’t get a big return because of his contract as you mention and the fact that his production may have already peaked and he has been injured a ton. I think Lilliard is sabotaging his value worse without a ntc which would kind of diminish the argument that ntc’s are a huge deal chase the player can still pout and give a list without one. The simmons precedent was pretty bad for the league because it showed a young guy could force his way out with 3+ years on his contract if he got upset.

[tonydelk]

https://twitter.com/briantrobb/status/1678518971643953152?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Nice article by Robb on the extension issues and how KP’s acquisition complicated things. He seems to suggest, too, that a NTC is not a possibility, but other deterrences to a trade (like a trade kicker) may be being negotiated.

I read somewhere a player needs 8 years on the league for a NTC.  Jaylen only has 7.  It's not even a negotiating point.  If I were him I'd want a trade kicker as well.  Seeing Smart getting dealt only solidified anyone can pretty much go at any point.  If he's going to get moved may as well make some extra money.  I'm sure they are saying it's either the trade kicker or 5th year player option.  Not both.

[Kernewek]

https://twitter.com/briantrobb/status/1678518971643953152?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Nice article by Robb on the extension issues and how KP’s acquisition complicated things. He seems to suggest, too, that a NTC is not a possibility, but other deterrences to a trade (like a trade kicker) may be being negotiated.

I read somewhere a player needs 8 years on the league for a NTC.  Jaylen only has 7.  It's not even a negotiating point.  If I were him I'd want a trade kicker as well.  Seeing Smart getting dealt only solidified anyone can pretty much go at any point.  If he's going to get moved may as well make some extra money.  I'm sure they are saying it's either the trade kicker or 5th year player option.  Not both.

We may have even covered it in this thread, but correct: Jaylen is not eligible for an NTC based on his years in the league and you can’t add an NTC to a contract extension anyway, it has to be negotiated in a fresh contract.



But, you know, facts aren’t as fun for article fodder.