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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1185 on: September 21, 2023, 07:46:54 AM »

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Just looking at possible destinations, Boston is mentioned in pretty much every article as a good fit with them having more than enough to make it happen. Just going to depend on if Brogdan is indeed not getting over the trade talks and if Brad really wants to get the deal done.

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« Reply #1186 on: September 21, 2023, 07:51:13 AM »

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Just looking at possible destinations, Boston is mentioned in pretty much every article as a good fit with them having more than enough to make it happen. Just going to depend on if Brogdan is indeed not getting over the trade talks and if Brad really wants to get the deal done.

Would we be prepared to resign Hield in free agency?  With two supermax players, a near-max player, and whatever we pay Derrick White, I'm skeptical that the Celts can afford Hield going forward.


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« Reply #1187 on: September 21, 2023, 07:55:46 AM »

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Just looking at possible destinations, Boston is mentioned in pretty much every article as a good fit with them having more than enough to make it happen. Just going to depend on if Brogdan is indeed not getting over the trade talks and if Brad really wants to get the deal done.

Would we be prepared to resign Hield in free agency?  With two supermax players, a near-max player, and whatever we pay Derrick White, I'm skeptical that the Celts can afford Hield going forward.

Might be a one year thing. Also allows them to get out of the Brogdan deal a year early Don't think they resign him in 2025. Worst case scenerio is they clear cap space next off season. Something like 22 mill

Also this flexibility might come in handy if Embiid or Giannis demand a trade.

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« Reply #1188 on: September 21, 2023, 07:56:29 AM »

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“I don’t think the bad feelings are over including him in any trade discussions… I think a lot of this has to do with what’s going on with his elbow."

Ramona Shelburne says Malcolm Brogdon is unhappy with the Celtics due to the handling of his injury.
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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1189 on: September 21, 2023, 07:58:16 AM »

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Hield be a FA so hard pass..don’t know how Celtics can pay him
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« Reply #1190 on: September 21, 2023, 07:59:28 AM »

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“I don’t think the bad feelings are over including him in any trade discussions… I think a lot of this has to do with what’s going on with his elbow."

Ramona Shelburne says Malcolm Brogdon is unhappy with the Celtics due to the handling of his injury.


I don't really expect Brogdon to be ready to go any time soon elbow wise. How did they handle it? Did they push for surgery and he said rest and rehab? Vice versa? Was it playing him in the playoffs when maybe he did not want to? The rumors he is hurt worse than being said?
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« Reply #1191 on: September 21, 2023, 08:01:01 AM »

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Hield be a FA so hard pass..don’t know how Celtics can pay him

How are they going to pay Brogdon who is a UFA the next year? I don't think MB is a long term option for the Celtics. Better to get rid of him now for at least one year of Hield than 2 years of Brogdon regressing and always being injured.

If they are running more point tatum than you are using MB as a 2 guard. I'd rather have Buddy in that role.
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« Reply #1192 on: September 21, 2023, 08:16:40 AM »

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Everyone reported to camp except

Zinger
Brogdon

Per Bobby Manning

I didn't see Svi mentioned, either.  Maybe I missed it.

It wasn't camp he referred to, but training in Boston, I think.

It is funny how this Brogdon thing has kind of taken on a life of its own.  It is certainly possible that there is an issue.  There have been quotes from people about "smoothing things over" or "working through things", so there is something to this.  The question is whether it is to the point where Brogdon isn't going to show up or something like that.  I would be surprised if it got to that point, but who knows.

My take is that some mending of fences was probably needed immediately after the trade discussions.  I think most people, business or not, would be fairly shocked if they found out that they were on the verge of being traded without notice.  We saw it with Ray Allen.  We saw it with Marcus Smart, who was promised the week before that he wouldn't be dealt.  The fact is, bosses in the NBA (like Brad Stevens) frequently hide information from, and even outright lie to, employees (i.e., players like Brogdon).  It's got to suck.

But, Brogdon has always struck me as a professional guy.  Neither he nor his agent have publicly criticized the organization, nor have they publicly made a trade demand.  He's got another 13 days or so to report; it doesn't strike me as odd that he's not in Boston early, particularly due to his injury.  (I know that a lot of the guys have homes in Boston.  Does Brogdon?  I can understand why guys like KP, Svi and Brogdon would want to enjoy as much of their off-seasons in their comfort zone as possible.)

Everything about Brogdon’s time in Boston tells me that he’ll approach this professionally. 

Note that despite actually being traded AND having been told he was safe, Marcus Smart celebrated his wedding with Wyc, Brad, Joe, and former teammates.  That’s a model for how senseless holding grudges is. It’s a business and life is too short.
I agree. Brogdon is smart and even-tempered. He knows this is a business and that he's not the first to get "almost traded", not the end of the world.
Has there been anything material since July to cause this non-issue to arise? This whole thing strikes me as nothing more than off-season boredom on the part of NBA pundits who like to stir the pot.

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« Reply #1193 on: September 21, 2023, 08:19:58 AM »

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Everyone reported to camp except

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Brogdon

Per Bobby Manning

I didn't see Svi mentioned, either.  Maybe I missed it.

It wasn't camp he referred to, but training in Boston, I think.

It is funny how this Brogdon thing has kind of taken on a life of its own.  It is certainly possible that there is an issue.  There have been quotes from people about "smoothing things over" or "working through things", so there is something to this.  The question is whether it is to the point where Brogdon isn't going to show up or something like that.  I would be surprised if it got to that point, but who knows.

My take is that some mending of fences was probably needed immediately after the trade discussions.  I think most people, business or not, would be fairly shocked if they found out that they were on the verge of being traded without notice.  We saw it with Ray Allen.  We saw it with Marcus Smart, who was promised the week before that he wouldn't be dealt.  The fact is, bosses in the NBA (like Brad Stevens) frequently hide information from, and even outright lie to, employees (i.e., players like Brogdon).  It's got to suck.

But, Brogdon has always struck me as a professional guy.  Neither he nor his agent have publicly criticized the organization, nor have they publicly made a trade demand.  He's got another 13 days or so to report; it doesn't strike me as odd that he's not in Boston early, particularly due to his injury.  (I know that a lot of the guys have homes in Boston.  Does Brogdon?  I can understand why guys like KP, Svi and Brogdon would want to enjoy as much of their off-seasons in their comfort zone as possible.)

Everything about Brogdon’s time in Boston tells me that he’ll approach this professionally. 

Note that despite actually being traded AND having been told he was safe, Marcus Smart celebrated his wedding with Wyc, Brad, Joe, and former teammates.  That’s a model for how senseless holding grudges is. It’s a business and life is too short.
I agree. Brogdon is smart and even-tempered. He knows this is a business and that he's not the first to get "almost traded", not the end of the world.
Has there been anything material since July to cause this non-issue to arise? This whole thing strikes me as nothing more than off-season boredom on the part of NBA pundits who like to stir the pot.

The bigger issue is what is going on with his elbow. Multiple outlets have reported he is either upset with the Celtics about almost being traded or he is upset with them about the handling of the elbow. Seems he is upset with them about something.

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« Reply #1194 on: September 21, 2023, 08:32:32 AM »

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« Reply #1195 on: September 21, 2023, 08:32:54 AM »

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Fwiw, Washburn and Mannix both reported that Brogdon was upset at the Celtics at the time of the trade, not that he still is (3 months later). And Shelburne said that she doesn't think the bad feelings are over. These are just not reports imo and we have to wait and see what Brogdon actually has to say.

He may very well be upset, but we don't even know for sure that he actually ever was. Remember when Joe said the thing about the 'healing process' after the trade. Was that actually the case or did Joe just say something stupid? Are these reporters using that as the basis of their reports or do they have any inside information? I can't imagine Ramona Shelburne has the inside scoop on the Cs.

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« Reply #1196 on: September 21, 2023, 09:40:18 AM »

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Interest anyone in a Brogdan and second round picks trade for Hield and theis?

Now that the pacers have decided to move him Boston could be a legit destination. Would put more ball handling in Tatum and Pp would really be counted on. Buddy would spread the floor and give them a legit shooter off the bench

Prob could add a cheap pG like Austin rivers to provide depth. Theis would provide the 4th playable big.

With guys having non guaranteed deals it gives Boston the ability to reshape the roster if needed
I think the drop off from Brogdon to generic bench FA/Prichard is more substantial than you think, and Theis/Hield may not move the needle enough in exchange.

I like Heild and Theis but I agree that we would miss Brogdon more than most people seem to think.  Plus this trade does not work based on salaries.  Heild for Brogdon works but we would need to add about $6M if Theis is in the trade (He makes $9.1M).  I don't see any way this trade happens.

Funny that Austin Rivers was mentioned and now there is a report of him talking to the Celtics.  We could sign Rivers and waive Banton.  Austin Rivers would be an upgrade on Banton but he can't replace Brogdon.

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« Reply #1197 on: September 21, 2023, 09:46:53 AM »

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Interest anyone in a Brogdan and second round picks trade for Hield and theis?

Now that the pacers have decided to move him Boston could be a legit destination. Would put more ball handling in Tatum and Pp would really be counted on. Buddy would spread the floor and give them a legit shooter off the bench

Prob could add a cheap pG like Austin rivers to provide depth. Theis would provide the 4th playable big.

With guys having non guaranteed deals it gives Boston the ability to reshape the roster if needed
I think the drop off from Brogdon to generic bench FA/Prichard is more substantial than you think, and Theis/Hield may not move the needle enough in exchange.

I like Heild and Theis but I agree that we would miss Brogdon more than most people seem to think.  Plus this trade does not work based on salaries.  Heild for Brogdon works but we would need to add about $6M if Theis is in the trade (He makes $9.1M).  I don't see any way this trade happens.

Funny that Austin Rivers was mentioned and now there is a report of him talking to the Celtics.  We could sign Rivers and waive Banton.  Austin Rivers would be an upgrade on Banton but he can't replace Brogdon.

The assumption is Brogdon is going to be ok to play. That is a big if right now.

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« Reply #1198 on: September 21, 2023, 09:56:19 AM »

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Fwiw, Washburn and Mannix both reported that Brogdon was upset at the Celtics at the time of the trade, not that he still is (3 months later). And Shelburne said that she doesn't think the bad feelings are over. These are just not reports imo and we have to wait and see what Brogdon actually has to say.

He may very well be upset, but we don't even know for sure that he actually ever was. Remember when Joe said the thing about the 'healing process' after the trade. Was that actually the case or did Joe just say something stupid? Are these reporters using that as the basis of their reports or do they have any inside information? I can't imagine Ramona Shelburne has the inside scoop on the Cs.

For sure there’s a “healing process.”  Unless a player has asked for a trade (and there’s been zero indication that Brogdon had asked for one prior to the draft), it has to hurt on some level.  In the ideal world for the Celtics, Malcolm Brogdon would not be on the team and Marcus Smart would.  And every one of his teammates knows it, and all of his peers around the league know it too.  For sure he’s a professional and understands the business, and should even understand from a roster standpoint why they wanted to trade a PG for Porzingis, but he’s also human, and the Celtics are right to acknowledge that it’s natural he’s hurt and thus needs to heal.

Add to it that he’s injured, and there’s also probably a level of anger of the “I got hurt playing for you and now you want to trade me” vibe going on.

I do think it will matter little in the long run, because he’s had three months and he is a professional, but he’s going to be asked about it when he returns, so it won’t go away immediately.

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« Reply #1199 on: September 21, 2023, 09:58:19 AM »

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Very good post Csquaredzerosquaredone.


Interest anyone in a Brogdan and second round picks trade for Hield and theis?

Now that the pacers have decided to move him Boston could be a legit destination. Would put more ball handling in Tatum and Pp would really be counted on. Buddy would spread the floor and give them a legit shooter off the bench

Prob could add a cheap pG like Austin rivers to provide depth. Theis would provide the 4th playable big.

With guys having non guaranteed deals it gives Boston the ability to reshape the roster if needed
I think the drop off from Brogdon to generic bench FA/Prichard is more substantial than you think, and Theis/Hield may not move the needle enough in exchange.
I do agree that Brogdon is significantly better than PP. But, I recently saw some report about JT playing even more point this upcoming season.

Hield is an incredible shooter and good scorer (comparable to Brogdon in scoring), rebounds well & passes decently. Not a great defender, but has good enough size to not be constantly abused. He is also super durable - 5 regular season games missed over his entire career!

Theis is also a solid 3rd string big. Helps insure in case of injury, and we all know Brad loves him.

White / Pritchard
Brown / Hield
Tatum / Hauser
Horford / Brissett
Porzingis / Williams 3 / Theis

Yeah that's fair enough. I always think that Hayward and Kemba were relative iron men before coming to Boston, though. Past performance not indicative of future health, etc. But you can say that about anything tbh.
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