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[Vermont Green]

Kidd will make defensive adjustments.
Will Joe anticipate those and have the team ready ?
Will he make some effective adjustments of his own ?

Will Kidd make adjustments?  I suspect he will try but what exactly do you think he can do?  Their defense was not horrible but they only scored 89 points.  Maybe he plays Hardaway and Hardy (the Hard boys?) more to inject more offense?  You think that is some brilliant coaching move that Mazzulla is not going to be able to adjust to?

What do you want to Celtics to do differently in terms of schemes?  Tatum needs to reduce his turnovers.  Brown needs to hit his FTs.  Are you expecting the Celtics to do anything much different in general?  I think the thing to work on his reacting to when they collapse on Tatum.  That isn't just about what Tatum does with the ball.  The whole team needs to react so that Tatum has somewhere to pass the ball to.  This is more about execution than it is scheme in my mind.

[Neurotic Guy]

I think the main adjustment the Mavs have to make is to hit their shots.  Cs played well defensively but did give open looks that Dallas has to make.  They didn’t in G1.

[tazzmaniac]

Defensive scheme was great and was the reason we won the game.
The emphasis that must have placed on rebounding during practice this week was a huge plus.
The players are all pulling the rope in the same direction, probably due to maturity and just the personalities on this team.
All these things I give a lot of credit to Joe and his staff.

The iso-dribble fadeaway jumper offense that occurs way too often and leads to runs by the opponent is still a significant problem to me.
It was part of what led to Dallas' 3d quarter run and may well cost us games as the series continues.

Everyone is feeling great, All of a sudden the media is talking about how unbeatable the Celtics are.
I don't buy it. I am very nervous about a game 2 letdown. This group has always been weak mentally.
Porzingis won't repeat such a spectacular half, though I do expect him to keep contributing.
I anticipate Psycho Boy reading how the Celts shut him down and coming out firing. Doncic will be more of a playmaker.

Kidd will make defensive adjustments.
Will Joe anticipate those and have the team ready ?
Will he make some effective adjustments of his own ?

What defensive adjustments can Kidd make?  He can't hide Luka and Kyrie.

[Kernewek]

Credit to Joe for doing a good job in gm 1. Sincerely hope he can counter whatever Kidd tries next.

That TO he called when we allowed the mavs to cut it to 8(should've called it earlier) was something many of his defenders told us was a waste of a TO. He's doing things now the way many of us asked him to do.  Last year he probably doesn't call that and we let go of the rope.

If your opinion is that he should have called it earlier then the timeout itself probably wasn't particularly impactful. Something you might realise if you'd actually followed the timeout discussion from last year in this thread.

No I think it might have not allowed it to get down so low. We don't know. What I do remember from last year's discussion was some pointless study being brought up as proof TO's don't help. Now, I"m not attributing the lead getting back up to 20 due to that TO, but taking it certainly didn't hurt.

I think he should've called that TO when the lead was trimmed from 21 to 17 lol. Not wait until 8 point deficit.

Don’t know if you’re serious, but Joe called a timeout 3 minutes earlier when the lead was cut from 21 to 16.

No, you don't understand, that wasn't the right kind of timeout.

[Kuberski33]

Credit to Joe for doing a good job in gm 1. Sincerely hope he can counter whatever Kidd tries next.

That TO he called when we allowed the mavs to cut it to 8(should've called it earlier) was something many of his defenders told us was a waste of a TO. He's doing things now the way many of us asked him to do.  Last year he probably doesn't call that and we let go of the rope.

If your opinion is that he should have called it earlier then the timeout itself probably wasn't particularly impactful. Something you might realise if you'd actually followed the timeout discussion from last year in this thread.

No I think it might have not allowed it to get down so low. We don't know. What I do remember from last year's discussion was some pointless study being brought up as proof TO's don't help. Now, I"m not attributing the lead getting back up to 20 due to that TO, but taking it certainly didn't hurt.

I think he should've called that TO when the lead was trimmed from 21 to 17 lol. Not wait until 8 point deficit.

Don’t know if you’re serious, but Joe called a timeout 3 minutes earlier when the lead was cut from 21 to 16.

In general I think he's been better at using his time outs this season. He seems most willing to use them when the defense is breaking down vs the offense.

[green_bballers13]

Ryen Russillo was on the pregame show with Eddie House and Scal. He was trying to be diplomatic when discussing those fans that thought they could evaluate Joe?s coaching by talking about 3 pointers and timeouts. He stated that the management group is smart and doesn?t deserve to be criticized for making a bad decision by re-upping Joe.

Instead of targeting management for dumb decisions, I think we can call out people saying that Joe is a bad coach.

[Roy H.]

Ryen Russillo was on the pregame show with Eddie House and Scal. He was trying to be diplomatic when discussing those fans that thought they could evaluate Joe?s coaching by talking about 3 pointers and timeouts. He stated that the management group is smart and doesn?t deserve to be criticized for making a bad decision by re-upping Joe.

Instead of targeting management for dumb decisions, I think we can call out people saying that Joe is a bad coach.

To be clear, you can't "call out" any fans on here. 

[green_bballers13]

Ryen Russillo was on the pregame show with Eddie House and Scal. He was trying to be diplomatic when discussing those fans that thought they could evaluate Joe?s coaching by talking about 3 pointers and timeouts. He stated that the management group is smart and doesn?t deserve to be criticized for making a bad decision by re-upping Joe.

Instead of targeting management for dumb decisions, I think we can call out people saying that Joe is a bad coach.

To be clear, you can't "call out" any fans on here.

Are we allowed to argue with the loud minority of fans that spread negative stuff about Joe, based on an incomplete understanding of the game?

I think we should be able to engage with those that have inaccurately put the Celtics down this year.

To be specific, the two comments were that Joe is a bottom 5 coach and JB doesn?t contribute to winning.

[Atzar]

Ryen Russillo was on the pregame show with Eddie House and Scal. He was trying to be diplomatic when discussing those fans that thought they could evaluate Joe?s coaching by talking about 3 pointers and timeouts. He stated that the management group is smart and doesn?t deserve to be criticized for making a bad decision by re-upping Joe.

Instead of targeting management for dumb decisions, I think we can call out people saying that Joe is a bad coach.

To be clear, you can't "call out" any fans on here.

Are we allowed to argue with the loud minority of fans that spread negative stuff about Joe, based on an incomplete understanding of the game?

I think we should be able to engage with those that have inaccurately put the Celtics down this year.

To be specific, the two comments were that Joe is a bottom 5 coach and JB doesn?t contribute to winning.

Honestly, there are some takes on this board that just aren't worth engaging with.  Those are two of them.  "This team is mentally weak" is another one I've seen. 

JB is a dang good player and we need him.  Evidence is mounting that Joe can, in fact, coach the sport of basketball.  And this team is tough as nails. 

[Goldstar88]

Ryen Russillo was on the pregame show with Eddie House and Scal. He was trying to be diplomatic when discussing those fans that thought they could evaluate Joe?s coaching by talking about 3 pointers and timeouts. He stated that the management group is smart and doesn?t deserve to be criticized for making a bad decision by re-upping Joe.

Instead of targeting management for dumb decisions, I think we can call out people saying that Joe is a bad coach.

To be clear, you can't "call out" any fans on here.

Are we allowed to argue with the loud minority of fans that spread negative stuff about Joe, based on an incomplete understanding of the game?

I think we should be able to engage with those that have inaccurately put the Celtics down this year.

To be specific, the two comments were that Joe is a bottom 5 coach and JB doesn?t contribute to winning.

Honestly, there are some takes on this board that just aren't worth engaging with.  Those are two of them.  "This team is mentally weak" is another one I've seen. 

JB is a dang good player and we need him.  Evidence is mounting that Joe can, in fact, coach the sport of basketball.  And this team is tough as nails.

The Joe got KP hurt take is up there as well.

[Roy H.]

Ryen Russillo was on the pregame show with Eddie House and Scal. He was trying to be diplomatic when discussing those fans that thought they could evaluate Joe?s coaching by talking about 3 pointers and timeouts. He stated that the management group is smart and doesn?t deserve to be criticized for making a bad decision by re-upping Joe.

Instead of targeting management for dumb decisions, I think we can call out people saying that Joe is a bad coach.

To be clear, you can't "call out" any fans on here.

Are we allowed to argue with the loud minority of fans that spread negative stuff about Joe, based on an incomplete understanding of the game?

I think we should be able to engage with those that have inaccurately put the Celtics down this year.

To be specific, the two comments were that Joe is a bottom 5 coach and JB doesn?t contribute to winning.

Honestly, there are some takes on this board that just aren't worth engaging with.  Those are two of them.  "This team is mentally weak" is another one I've seen. 

JB is a dang good player and we need him.  Evidence is mounting that Joe can, in fact, coach the sport of basketball.  And this team is tough as nails.

The Joe got KP hurt take is up there as well.

Not really, since it's factual.  If Joe took KP out as soon as he injured his ankle, he wouldn't have subsequently strained his calf.

[radiohead]

We?re at 78-20 for the season including the playoffs. Joe must have something to do with that. Imagine if we sweep and end up with an 80-20 record? That would be insane.

[green_bballers13]

Ryen Russillo was on the pregame show with Eddie House and Scal. He was trying to be diplomatic when discussing those fans that thought they could evaluate Joe?s coaching by talking about 3 pointers and timeouts. He stated that the management group is smart and doesn?t deserve to be criticized for making a bad decision by re-upping Joe.

Instead of targeting management for dumb decisions, I think we can call out people saying that Joe is a bad coach.

To be clear, you can't "call out" any fans on here.

Are we allowed to argue with the loud minority of fans that spread negative stuff about Joe, based on an incomplete understanding of the game?

I think we should be able to engage with those that have inaccurately put the Celtics down this year.

To be specific, the two comments were that Joe is a bottom 5 coach and JB doesn?t contribute to winning.

Honestly, there are some takes on this board that just aren't worth engaging with.  Those are two of them.  "This team is mentally weak" is another one I've seen. 

JB is a dang good player and we need him.  Evidence is mounting that Joe can, in fact, coach the sport of basketball.  And this team is tough as nails.

The Joe got KP hurt take is up there as well.

Not really, since it's factual.  If Joe took KP out as soon as he injured his ankle, he wouldn't have subsequently strained his calf.

Nah- it is your opinion. We just don?t know how injured KP was. We know that he took 38 days off, but who knows when he could have been back if the team needed him. Blaming Joe for a KP injury is odd, considering KP is hurt a lot. If KP was seriously hurt, he would have gone down like Durant when he tore his Achilles against Toronto. Instead, he walked off the court both times.

[Roy H.]

Ryen Russillo was on the pregame show with Eddie House and Scal. He was trying to be diplomatic when discussing those fans that thought they could evaluate Joe?s coaching by talking about 3 pointers and timeouts. He stated that the management group is smart and doesn?t deserve to be criticized for making a bad decision by re-upping Joe.

Instead of targeting management for dumb decisions, I think we can call out people saying that Joe is a bad coach.

To be clear, you can't "call out" any fans on here.

Are we allowed to argue with the loud minority of fans that spread negative stuff about Joe, based on an incomplete understanding of the game?

I think we should be able to engage with those that have inaccurately put the Celtics down this year.

To be specific, the two comments were that Joe is a bottom 5 coach and JB doesn?t contribute to winning.

Honestly, there are some takes on this board that just aren't worth engaging with.  Those are two of them.  "This team is mentally weak" is another one I've seen. 

JB is a dang good player and we need him.  Evidence is mounting that Joe can, in fact, coach the sport of basketball.  And this team is tough as nails.

The Joe got KP hurt take is up there as well.

Not really, since it's factual.  If Joe took KP out as soon as he injured his ankle, he wouldn't have subsequently strained his calf.

Nah- it is your opinion. We just don?t know how injured KP was. We know that he took 38 days off, but who knows when he could have been back if the team needed him. Blaming Joe for a KP injury is odd, considering KP is hurt a lot. If KP was seriously hurt, he would have gone down like Durant when he tore his Achilles against Toronto. Instead, he walked off the court both times.

We know from KP that he initially injured his ankle, tried to play through it, overcompensated, and injured his calf.

Those are the facts as told by KP.  That matches the video evidence.

Are you disputing that the calf injury was "serious"?  That's an odd argument.  Guys don't just take a month off in the middle of the playoffs.

 

[Roy H.]

Here's an adjustment the coaching staff has made:

Normally, a non-shooting center plays by the dunker spot on the block (just outside the paint). With Al Horford and Kristaps Porzingis both serving as stretch shooters, Boston has had the ability to play a five-out offense all year long to maximize spacing and keep rim protectors out of the paint.

Mazzulla has thrown a bit of a curveball in this series though offensively by electing to routinely place a guard, usually Jrue Holiday, in the traditional dunker spot. His presence has provided a reliable passing option for Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown on drives to the rim when the Mavericks have collapsed. However, the bigger plus from this change has been the fact it has put a subpar defender (usually Kyrie Irving) as the last line of defense for Dallas in the paint. Tatum and Brown have been able to blow by their individual defenders so much, they require help at the rim. The problem is the likes of Irving and PJ Washington don?t do much to slow Boston?s stars unless they are double teaming them.

With Gafford and Lively occupied on the perimeter or stuck making rotations after drive-and-kicks, easy dump off passes were awaiting Tatum (12 assists) and Brown (7 assists) all night at the rim, as Holiday (9-of-10 from 2-point range) feasted in the paint during his team-high 26 points.