Fire Joe! ... or critique Joe ... or defend Joe... or worry about Joe's coaching

[Kernewek]

8 straight wins and this thread going strong! Can we promise to delete this when we win title 18 this year?!

Enshrine it, more like.

[green_bballers13]

No way- this treasure trove of pure gems needs to be preserved like Ted Williams. Amazing stuff.

[SHAQATTACK]

Joe s game plan was better than Jason’s . 

[Kernewek]

No way- this treasure trove of pure gems needs to be preserved like Ted Williams. Amazing stuff.

I'm eagerly anticipating the next round of gnashing when we inevitably give up at least one game this series - which, based on how the C's have played all year*, is essentially guaranteed.



*My thinking goes something like this:
The C's had a staggering record this year, and they were dominant: going 30-3 against losing teams; never losing three in a row; winning more games by 10-19 points than they did by single digits; and thus far only losing 2 games in the postseason ('when it matters').

They won a lot, by a lot, and consistently played at a level other teams couldn't match night in and night out.

However: Because the strategy, in broad terms, all season has been to make everything very hard for their opponents instead of trying to make anything impossible - which is the underlying reason why Mazz harps on 'the math' to the emotional detriment of people who are not professional basketball coaches or analysts - if an opposing team manages to do something very hard and/or gets lucky, then the opposing team will probably win. Thus far, it's hard to argue with the results, but it's also a style that generally leads to losing at least one game out of seven.

[angryguy77]

Credit to Joe for doing a good job in gm 1. Sincerely hope he can counter whatever Kidd tries next.

That TO he called when we allowed the mavs to cut it to 8(should've called it earlier) was something many of his defenders told us was a waste of a TO. He's doing things now the way many of us asked him to do.  Last year he probably doesn't call that and we let go of the rope.

[Kernewek]

Credit to Joe for doing a good job in gm 1. Sincerely hope he can counter whatever Kidd tries next.

That TO he called when we allowed the mavs to cut it to 8(should've called it earlier) was something many of his defenders told us was a waste of a TO. He's doing things now the way many of us asked him to do.  Last year he probably doesn't call that and we let go of the rope.

If your opinion is that he should have called it earlier then the timeout itself probably wasn't particularly impactful. Something you might realise if you'd actually followed the timeout discussion from last year in this thread.

[jpotter33]

Loved the defensive scheme of providing single coverage on Luka and staying home on everyone else. Not every team can do that, but I think we have the personnel to do enough to make it difficult for Luka to do it all himself. He only had 1 assist and only 6 (!) potential assists last night. That’s unheard of.

One other wrinkle I saw online - the decision to put KP on Jones and Tatum on their big both limited the times Luka could iso KP on the PnR (which Luka generally did well in the limited times they were able to do it), while also allowing us to take away the majority of the lobs with their I believe only being one all night. Masterful work and distribution of our defensive talents.

[Kuberski33]

As one of the folks here who was very much anti-Joe a year ago, I've done a 180 on him. Contrary to last season, everyone knows their role. The team has bought in, they're very well prepared and they've performed- heck Pep, Guardiola is an admirer.

On a recent podcast Mike Gorman said Joe is likely to have a 10 year run as Celtics coach.

[angryguy77]

Credit to Joe for doing a good job in gm 1. Sincerely hope he can counter whatever Kidd tries next.

That TO he called when we allowed the mavs to cut it to 8(should've called it earlier) was something many of his defenders told us was a waste of a TO. He's doing things now the way many of us asked him to do.  Last year he probably doesn't call that and we let go of the rope.

If your opinion is that he should have called it earlier then the timeout itself probably wasn't particularly impactful. Something you might realise if you'd actually followed the timeout discussion from last year in this thread.

No I think it might have not allowed it to get down so low. We don't know. What I do remember from last year's discussion was some pointless study being brought up as proof TO's don't help. Now, I"m not attributing the lead getting back up to 20 due to that TO, but taking it certainly didn't hurt.

[Kernewek]

Credit to Joe for doing a good job in gm 1. Sincerely hope he can counter whatever Kidd tries next.

That TO he called when we allowed the mavs to cut it to 8(should've called it earlier) was something many of his defenders told us was a waste of a TO. He's doing things now the way many of us asked him to do.  Last year he probably doesn't call that and we let go of the rope.

If your opinion is that he should have called it earlier then the timeout itself probably wasn't particularly impactful. Something you might realise if you'd actually followed the timeout discussion from last year in this thread.

No I think it might have not allowed it to get down so low. We don't know. What I do remember from last year's discussion was some pointless study being brought up as proof TO's don't help. Now, I"m not attributing the lead getting back up to 20 due to that TO, but taking it certainly didn't hurt.

So... you agree that it probably wasn't very impactful?

[SparzWizard]

Credit to Joe for doing a good job in gm 1. Sincerely hope he can counter whatever Kidd tries next.

That TO he called when we allowed the mavs to cut it to 8(should've called it earlier) was something many of his defenders told us was a waste of a TO. He's doing things now the way many of us asked him to do.  Last year he probably doesn't call that and we let go of the rope.

If your opinion is that he should have called it earlier then the timeout itself probably wasn't particularly impactful. Something you might realise if you'd actually followed the timeout discussion from last year in this thread.

No I think it might have not allowed it to get down so low. We don't know. What I do remember from last year's discussion was some pointless study being brought up as proof TO's don't help. Now, I"m not attributing the lead getting back up to 20 due to that TO, but taking it certainly didn't hurt.

I think he should've called that TO when the lead was trimmed from 21 to 17 lol. Not wait until 8 point deficit.

[tenn_smoothie]

Defensive scheme was great and was the reason we won the game.
The emphasis that must have placed on rebounding during practice this week was a huge plus.
The players are all pulling the rope in the same direction, probably due to maturity and just the personalities on this team.
All these things I give a lot of credit to Joe and his staff.

The iso-dribble fadeaway jumper offense that occurs way too often and leads to runs by the opponent is still a significant problem to me.
It was part of what led to Dallas' 3d quarter run and may well cost us games as the series continues.

Everyone is feeling great, All of a sudden the media is talking about how unbeatable the Celtics are.
I don't buy it. I am very nervous about a game 2 letdown. This group has always been weak mentally.
Porzingis won't repeat such a spectacular half, though I do expect him to keep contributing.
I anticipate Psycho Boy reading how the Celts shut him down and coming out firing. Doncic will be more of a playmaker.

Kidd will make defensive adjustments.
Will Joe anticipate those and have the team ready ?
Will he make some effective adjustments of his own ?

[LilRip]

Our defensive gameplan is typically good against more “traditional teams” like Dallas. I remember Timelord would always take a weak offensive match up so he can roam or help more freely, and then a wing/Smart would take on their traditional big. You can clog the paint without giving up the three because the opponents big isn’t an outside threat.

Where that scheme struggles is when role players go nuclear (like a Strus or Caleb Martin) or when a team has a versatile big man (like Jokic).

I think Joe’s got this and I don’t think he’s the type to overreact if someone like Jones Jr. hits a three. Mid-game adjustments are always necessary but the base gameplan looks good

[Celtics2021]

Credit to Joe for doing a good job in gm 1. Sincerely hope he can counter whatever Kidd tries next.

That TO he called when we allowed the mavs to cut it to 8(should've called it earlier) was something many of his defenders told us was a waste of a TO. He's doing things now the way many of us asked him to do.  Last year he probably doesn't call that and we let go of the rope.

If your opinion is that he should have called it earlier then the timeout itself probably wasn't particularly impactful. Something you might realise if you'd actually followed the timeout discussion from last year in this thread.

No I think it might have not allowed it to get down so low. We don't know. What I do remember from last year's discussion was some pointless study being brought up as proof TO's don't help. Now, I"m not attributing the lead getting back up to 20 due to that TO, but taking it certainly didn't hurt.

I think he should've called that TO when the lead was trimmed from 21 to 17 lol. Not wait until 8 point deficit.

Don’t know if you’re serious, but Joe called a timeout 3 minutes earlier when the lead was cut from 21 to 16.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Defensive scheme was great and was the reason we won the game.
The emphasis that must have placed on rebounding during practice this week was a huge plus.
The players are all pulling the rope in the same direction, probably due to maturity and just the personalities on this team.
All these things I give a lot of credit to Joe and his staff.

The iso-dribble fadeaway jumper offense that occurs way too often and leads to runs by the opponent is still a significant problem to me.
It was part of what led to Dallas' 3d quarter run and may well cost us games as the series continues.

Everyone is feeling great, All of a sudden the media is talking about how unbeatable the Celtics are.
I don't buy it. I am very nervous about a game 2 letdown. This group has always been weak mentally.
Porzingis won't repeat such a spectacular half, though I do expect him to keep contributing.
I anticipate Psycho Boy reading how the Celts shut him down and coming out firing. Doncic will be more of a playmaker.

Kidd will make defensive adjustments.
Will Joe anticipate those and have the team ready ?
Will he make some effective adjustments of his own ?

I'm only worried about our players and if they come ready to play or not. The up and downs have been in the DNA of our players since many years ago. It's their biggest weakness. Well not ready to play, but play through the whole game. We always begin the game with our offense popping moving the ball, then we go away from it. To our detriment.