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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #780 on: May 22, 2023, 11:50:22 AM »

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Before Game 3, if you were around the Celtics, you’d know there was no chance Mazzulla would not be back next season. After Game 3, nothing feels certain. – via Brian Windhorst @ ESPN
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There is a wave of anger from New England and a rising expectation elsewhere Joe Mazzulla will pay the price for this 0-3 hole the Celtics find themselves in. Brad Stevens is a huge believer in Mazzulla and made the choice not only to promote him but also to make him the permanent coach midway through the season. – via Brian Windhorst @ ESPN
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Hmm.  I think this is Windy being Windy.  I doubt very much that the atmosphere went from 100% retaining Joe to looking elsewhere as the result of one game.


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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #781 on: May 22, 2023, 12:04:23 PM »

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Before Game 3, if you were around the Celtics, you’d know there was no chance Mazzulla would not be back next season. After Game 3, nothing feels certain. – via Brian Windhorst @ ESPN
 Brad Stevens,

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There is a wave of anger from New England and a rising expectation elsewhere Joe Mazzulla will pay the price for this 0-3 hole the Celtics find themselves in. Brad Stevens is a huge believer in Mazzulla and made the choice not only to promote him but also to make him the permanent coach midway through the season. – via Brian Windhorst @ ESPN
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Hmm.  I think this is Windy being Windy.  I doubt very much that the atmosphere went from 100% retaining Joe to looking elsewhere as the result of one game.

Today I learned that midway through the season is after 60 games have been played.
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #782 on: May 22, 2023, 12:06:24 PM »

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Unfortunately Brad is a coward and will make every excuse for Joe and how he believes in him and how he was put in a tough spot

blah blah blah

Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #783 on: May 22, 2023, 12:15:48 PM »

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Unfortunately Brad is a coward and will make every excuse for Joe and how he believes in him and how he was put in a tough spot

blah blah blah

if that happens and brad is not fired i am done with this team until changes are made.
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #784 on: May 22, 2023, 12:22:24 PM »

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Any takers for Stan 'THE MAN' Van Gundy?  :D

Build a wall Van Gundy is a pretty decent coach, to be honest.

At least we'd get to hear SVG scream at his guys during those timeout huddles and show his grumpy face. Something that this team needs, a guy getting in their face. He was decent with Orlando...just that Dwight ran him out but we know who Dwight is.


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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #785 on: May 22, 2023, 12:45:32 PM »

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Any takers for Stan 'THE MAN' Van Gundy?  :D

Build a wall Van Gundy is a pretty decent coach, to be honest.

At least we'd get to hear SVG scream at his guys during those timeout huddles and show his grumpy face. Something that this team needs, a guy getting in their face. He was decent with Orlando...just that Dwight ran him out but we know who Dwight is.

He was ok in Detroit as well. He's a good coach, but he's pretty clearly kind of a Larry Brown type - short shelf life at each spot.
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #786 on: May 22, 2023, 01:00:14 PM »

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Any takers for Stan 'THE MAN' Van Gundy?  :D

Build a wall Van Gundy is a pretty decent coach, to be honest.



At least we'd get to hear SVG scream at his guys during those timeout huddles and show his grumpy face. Something that this team needs, a guy getting in their face. He was decent with Orlando...just that Dwight ran him out but we know who Dwight is.

He was ok in Detroit as well. He's a good coach, but he's pretty clearly kind of a Larry Brown type - short shelf life at each spot.

Shaq (I think) calls him Captain Panic

Edit: Master of Panic...pretty [dang]ing stuff
https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=3953133

Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #787 on: May 22, 2023, 01:34:24 PM »

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Before Game 3, if you were around the Celtics, you’d know there was no chance Mazzulla would not be back next season. After Game 3, nothing feels certain. – via Brian Windhorst @ ESPN
 Brad Stevens,

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There is a wave of anger from New England and a rising expectation elsewhere Joe Mazzulla will pay the price for this 0-3 hole the Celtics find themselves in. Brad Stevens is a huge believer in Mazzulla and made the choice not only to promote him but also to make him the permanent coach midway through the season. – via Brian Windhorst @ ESPN
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Hmm.  I think this is Windy being Windy.  I doubt very much that the atmosphere went from 100% retaining Joe to looking elsewhere as the result of one game.

If that’s the case then Brad needs to go, too. Can’t be wasting these opportunities doing on the job training for a guy who it’s unclear will ever reach that level.

Like, you can’t watch these playoffs and think he’s anywhere close to being ready. The players crapped the bed, but a lot of it was them not being maximized and put in positions to succeed.
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #788 on: May 22, 2023, 01:36:38 PM »

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Malcolm Brogdon: “I think our identity has waned all year long.”

Joe’s biggest failure this year - trying to fix what isn’t broken and trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

You can really hear the frustration in the players’ voices for all of this now.
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #789 on: May 22, 2023, 01:40:41 PM »

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Any takers for Stan 'THE MAN' Van Gundy?  :D

Build a wall Van Gundy is a pretty decent coach, to be honest.

Yeah, I honestly like his fit with this group. Think he’s hood them accountable, though I know he’s not a popular choice.
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #790 on: May 22, 2023, 02:16:49 PM »

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https://twitter.com/byjayking/status/1660699223476584450?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw


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Malcolm Brogdon said the Heat have an identity. Brogdon said the Celtics haven’t found theirs. He thinks it should be defense.

More subtle shots at Joe.

https://twitter.com/realbobmanning/status/1660716095932694528?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

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Malcolm Brogdon gave an illuminating press conference today. Admits #Celtics got away with bad habits earlier in playoffs, relied on making shots all year and never reached the defensive consistency they needed to this year.

Publicly, Mazzulla & the team denied these issues.

EDIT: And some not so subtle shots at Joe, Brad, and this team as a whole. Ouch, Chad.
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Unfortunately, this is not a movie, and this Celtics season, a once-promising mission to avenge last season’s Finals loss, is one inevitable loss from a miserable ending.

One of the many reasons why the Celtics are down 3-0 to the Heat: Their players, as shown through their recent words and pathetic actions, clearly do not believe their coach gives them a fighting chance.

It’s no excuse for why they turned into an entire roster of 2018 Kyrie Irvings and stopped fighting altogether in Game 3 of the Eastern Conference finals with the Miami Heat Sunday night.

But they are right. The quitters are right.

Mazzulla is the Peter McNeeley to Erik Spoelstra’s Mike Tyson. He doesn’t belong in this ring. He’s not ready for prime time. And in hindsight, he never should have been asked to be. The Celtics tried to develop a coach with a roster built to win now, and it backfired. No matter what other changes come in the offseason, they cannot allow themselves to be overmatched on the bench again.

So many mistakes have been made — by Mazzulla, by Brad Stevens, and by the players who were trusted to have a collective maturity that still remains absent.

Mazzulla’s tactical struggles — from burying Grant Williams to not going with double bigs until late in the previous series with the Sixers to the inability to take advantage of his roster depth (Sam Hauser made more than twice as many threes this year as Duncan Robinson) — are well-documented. It is telling that his players have had no qualms about publicly acknowledging his mistakes along the way.

It really does appear sometimes that Al Horford and Marcus Smart are more involved in running the huddle than Mazzulla is. That’s fine when it’s meant to give players some ownership. But it’s a bad look when they look like they’re doing the actual strategizing.

As for Stevens, he did a remarkable job building this roster, but he compounded his mistakes in deciding who would oversee it after Udoka’s suspension and eventual departure.

Why did Mazzulla get the job over Damon Stoudamire, whose status as an ex-player is something Jaylen Brown, to name one Celtic, previously acknowledged desiring in a coach? Why was a veteran assistant not added to the staff to aid a coach who had never led his own team at a level higher than NCAA Division 2? Did Stevens believe Mazzulla would be blunter with his players than he has been? They faced consequences for lackadaisical play under Udoka. There have been no consequences this season, which is one reason why the defensive effort has waned.
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #791 on: May 22, 2023, 04:40:20 PM »

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Before Game 3, if you were around the Celtics, you’d know there was no chance Mazzulla would not be back next season. After Game 3, nothing feels certain. – via Brian Windhorst @ ESPN
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There is a wave of anger from New England and a rising expectation elsewhere Joe Mazzulla will pay the price for this 0-3 hole the Celtics find themselves in. Brad Stevens is a huge believer in Mazzulla and made the choice not only to promote him but also to make him the permanent coach midway through the season. – via Brian Windhorst @ ESPN
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Hmm.  I think this is Windy being Windy.  I doubt very much that the atmosphere went from 100% retaining Joe to looking elsewhere as the result of one game.

I thought it was about 90% likely they keep Mazzula before the MIA series. Now i'd put it at 40%.

Flaming out like they have done has put much more of a spotlight on Mazzula. More questions about whether he has lost the locker room (now) vs is a young coach and still improving (before).

Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #792 on: May 22, 2023, 04:48:15 PM »

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Jpotter thanks for that long post about Brogdon's comment. I think I ad a Celtics fan have to apologize to Brogdon for having to put up with this mess and I'm glad he is speaking up about it rather than hiding it like how PBS hid the whole Ime ordeal until September.

All those defensive deficiencies are now unraveling in front of their eyes.

Hope Brogdon can return. He's one of the guys I loved all season long and to keep.


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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #793 on: May 22, 2023, 04:57:30 PM »

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Brogdon getting credit for the comments he made is laughable to me
This pompous clown got paid 23 million dollars a year to come in and be a veteran leader on this team and in the locker room. Scored 0 points last night and then took 0 accountability after the game and in my opinion is part of the division in the locker room.
He’s getting praise for this?

LOL

Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #794 on: May 22, 2023, 05:03:28 PM »

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Brogdon getting credit for the comments he made is laughable to me
This pompous clown got paid 23 million dollars a year to come in and be a veteran leader on this team and in the locker room. Scored 0 points last night and then took 0 accountability after the game and in my opinion is part of the division in the locker room.
He’s getting praise for this?

LOL

Same. He's in no position to criticize others on this team.