Fire Joe! ... or critique Joe ... or defend Joe... or worry about Joe's coaching

[BudweiserCeltic]

Bitter Jim,
"So should the Nuggets have traded Jokic for a more "traditional" center and a star guard or wing?
No, they were smart to play into what made their team unique and elite instead of trying to mash it into a hypothetical "best team building" mold."

You mean the way that Danny cost us a title in 2011 by trading away Kendrick Perkins in favor of making the team more athletic, like the Heat and Bulls were at the time? Even though, with Perk, we had an advantage inside that the other finesse teams did not possess. I'm not suggesting Perk was our best player, but he fit a niche on that team that made him much more valuable to us than maybe to other teams. If we keep him instead of acquiring Jeff Green, like the current Nuggets, we would have maintained our unique advantage over the other contenders, not to mention that very close group was on a mission after the 2010 finals screw job. Anyway, your comment reminded me of that disastrous trade that I am obviously still upset about.

Well was the trade to make the team 'more athletic', or was it to address the need for a backup wing after Marquis Daniels went down with a spine injury on Feb 6? As I remember it we had no one to really spell Pierce after that, and the Perkins/Robinson trade happens on Feb 24, after it becomes clear this is going to be an issue.

Look what went in and out: we traded Nate Robinson and Perkins for Kristic & Jeff Green, plus a first-round pick. (Ainge also flipped Semi, Harangody, and Daniels's contract for second-rounders). So we did, nominally, pick up a decent center.

Personally, I think the trade was catastrophic for the morale of the team, but I also don't think Perk at that point was going to move the needle in that series against the Heat. If we have a healthy Shaq and a healthy Jermaine, now, that's a different story.

Perkins was injured that season as well and wasn't much of himself in the playoffs that year.

This notion that Perkins was the answer that year is ridiculous, other than to say against all odds he was the most "healthy" center out of the potential players we had or traded for in the playoffs. But that's in hindsight.

We played better with Shaq, too bad he went down that season... with Perkins also injured, we needed healthier bodies, including in our wings.

Kristic was serviceable and healthy, played quite decently for us... and went down for an injury that pretty much ended his playing days in the NBA at 27 years old.

The problem was not the trade, it was a good trade. Circumstances beyond our control screwed us.

[SparzWizard]

This guy needs to go. Pathetic.

2 TO's left in regulation but you don't use anyone of them to stop the run or reconcile or just give your unit a chance to break. See how gassed they are? Sheesh.

What's with that horrible ATO play at the end of OT. And what was that garbage 3 about at the end of regulation. Jeez

[jpotter33]

This guy needs to go. Pathetic.

2 TO's left in regulation but you don't use anyone of them to stop the run or reconcile or just give your unit a chance to break. See how gassed they are? Sheesh.

What's with that horrible ATO play at the end of OT. And what was that garbage 3 about at the end of regulation. Jeez

Agreed. He's still struck by decision paralysis and is still dogmatic in his philosophies, even when the evidence is so evident to the contrary.

He expects his guys to just "figure it out" despite both (a) the fact that they've traveled a ton and played a million minutes over the past four days, and (b) their history of absolutely not being able to "figure it out themselves".

Pure incompetence.

[Goldstar88]

Do timeouts translate into made free throws at the end of games? If so, then by all means… 

[Moranis]

Do timeouts translate into made free throws at the end of games? If so, then by all means… 

If the FT's were missed because of exhaustion, then a time out may have in fact helped make a FT.

[Goldstar88]

Do timeouts translate into made free throws at the end of games? If so, then by all means… 

If the FT's were missed because of exhaustion, then a time out may have in fact helped make a FT.

Or the timeout could have iced the player.. Gave them too much time to think about it…

[Roy H.]

Do timeouts translate into made free throws at the end of games? If so, then by all means… 

If the FT's were missed because of exhaustion, then a time out may have in fact helped make a FT.

Or the timeout could have iced the player.. Gave them too much time to think about it…

I don't think people are suggesting that Joe call timeout when we're at the line?

[Moranis]

Do timeouts translate into made free throws at the end of games? If so, then by all means… 

If the FT's were missed because of exhaustion, then a time out may have in fact helped make a FT.

Or the timeout could have iced the player.. Gave them too much time to think about it…

I don't think people are suggesting that Joe call timeout when we're at the line?

correct, though honestly after Jrue missed the first, I wouldn't have been opposed to one at that moment

[Yuckabuck33]

Joe thought he was smart and assumed Charlotte was going to go for 3 to win the game with 10 seconds left. So he pulled his only rim protection in Porzingas in favor of shorter guys who can defend the perimeter better.
And then we give up a 2 point shot at the rim to force overtime. When the guys were exhausted and could have had a little rest with an timeout.
This "coach" will never learn. Goodbye championship window while we wait for Joe to "figure it out."

[SparzWizard]

Joe thought he was smart and assumed Charlotte was going to go for 3 to win the game with 10 seconds left. So he pulled his only rim protection in Porzingas in favor of shorter guys who can defend the perimeter better.
And then we give up a 2 point shot at the rim to force overtime. When the guys were exhausted and could have had a little rest with an timeout.
This "coach" will never learn. Goodbye championship window while we wait for Joe to "figure it out."

I think your first mistake (not that I'm bashing on you) was thinking he's 'smart'...this guy can't coach out of a paperbag. We've seen it all last year. And this year is a continuation.

Tied game in regulation but you settle for a 3, that was a poor ATO. Down 1 in OT but you draw up yet another horrible ATO that involves an atrocious cross-court pass to an overrated $300M player who is a -23 for the night that gets intercepted like a Mac Jones throwing a INT directly to the opposing defense.

Don't even wanna get into the timeouts, guys getting gassed, keeping the hot hand on the floor, etc. Four road games in 6 nights, including a b2b- should know how to manage his team's minutes and timeout usage not run them to the ground and making them learn on the floor during crunch time. He must've had too much of Belichick's 2023 gatorade.

[mobilija]

Do timeouts translate into made free throws at the end of games? If so, then by all means… 

If the FT's were missed because of exhaustion, then a time out may have in fact helped make a FT.

Or the timeout could have iced the player.. Gave them too much time to think about it…

Joe actually did this to a Raptors player at the end of that game. Iced him after he made the 1st. Coaching win.

[Yuckabuck33]

Joe thought he was smart and assumed Charlotte was going to go for 3 to win the game with 10 seconds left. So he pulled his only rim protection in Porzingas in favor of shorter guys who can defend the perimeter better.
And then we give up a 2 point shot at the rim to force overtime. When the guys were exhausted and could have had a little rest with an timeout.
This "coach" will never learn. Goodbye championship window while we wait for Joe to "figure it out."

I think your first mistake (not that I'm bashing on you) was thinking he's 'smart'...this guy can't coach out of a paperbag. We've seen it all last year. And this year is a continuation.

Tied game in regulation but you settle for a 3, that was a poor ATO. Down 1 in OT but you draw up yet another horrible ATO that involves an atrocious cross-court pass to an overrated $300M player who is a -23 for the night that gets intercepted like a Mac Jones throwing a INT directly to the opposing defense.

Don't even wanna get into the timeouts, guys getting gassed, keeping the hot hand on the floor, etc. Four road games in 6 nights, including a b2b- should know how to manage his team's minutes and timeout usage not run them to the ground and making them learn on the floor during crunch time. He must've had too much of Belichick's 2023 gatorade.

Lol, not offended.
Technically, I didn't say he was smart, just that HE thought he was smart. I forgot to add my opinion that he's an idiot.

[SparzWizard]

Joe thought he was smart and assumed Charlotte was going to go for 3 to win the game with 10 seconds left. So he pulled his only rim protection in Porzingas in favor of shorter guys who can defend the perimeter better.
And then we give up a 2 point shot at the rim to force overtime. When the guys were exhausted and could have had a little rest with an timeout.
This "coach" will never learn. Goodbye championship window while we wait for Joe to "figure it out."

I think your first mistake (not that I'm bashing on you) was thinking he's 'smart'...this guy can't coach out of a paperbag. We've seen it all last year. And this year is a continuation.

Tied game in regulation but you settle for a 3, that was a poor ATO. Down 1 in OT but you draw up yet another horrible ATO that involves an atrocious cross-court pass to an overrated $300M player who is a -23 for the night that gets intercepted like a Mac Jones throwing a INT directly to the opposing defense.

Don't even wanna get into the timeouts, guys getting gassed, keeping the hot hand on the floor, etc. Four road games in 6 nights, including a b2b- should know how to manage his team's minutes and timeout usage not run them to the ground and making them learn on the floor during crunch time. He must've had too much of Belichick's 2023 gatorade.

Lol, not offended.
Technically, I didn't say he was smart, just that HE thought he was smart. I forgot to add my opinion that he's an idiot.

Ah you're right, just reread it again this morning. Now that I can stand behind, he is a glorified idiot.

[SHAQATTACK]

I know we can get to 150 pages or he gets fired ,  which comes first ?

[obnoxiousmime]

Re: Time outs, I still don't know why nobody brings up the fact that time outs are also about slowing the other team down when they're cooking, especially on the road when the crowd is also jazzed up and giving the opposing team energy. By calling a time out, the other team is forced to go from a high of playing great basketball to sitting down for a few minutes while a dance crew runs onto the court. It's not only about your own team recomposing themselves or being able to call a set play.

Maybe Joe doesn't believe it affects the other team, but as far as I know he's never been asked about that aspect of the time out. It's only ever been about "teaching our guys to play through a run." I don't get it. Does Steve Kerr not call time outs because he's got a team of veterans that have already won championships? As far as I know, he calls time outs like a normal coach does.

If there are some statistics Joe is basing this on that question the efficacy of time outs, it would be nice if they shared that with us. One thing I do know, however, is he's not saving the time outs because he's precious with them. Just look at some of his extremely questionable coach's challenges.