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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1200 on: November 08, 2023, 09:49:10 PM »

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2-game losing skid. Same old habits. Failure to change or adjust. I fear we'll be on a 4-game losing skid with Brooklyn and Toronto coming to town and b2b night.

Fire Joe.
Trade Brown.
Jaylen proving again that his contract was a massive overpay. He's not a franchise player but he's getting paid like one.

But they had to do it, because the alternative was losing him for nothing in free agency or getting a poor return trading him this years when he could have been a rental. I suppose they could have traded him to the clippers for whatever they got for harden. But if we lost him for nothing we can’t t replace his $31m with a like player because they’re already over the cap
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1201 on: November 08, 2023, 09:50:04 PM »

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2-game losing skid. Same old habits. Failure to change or adjust. I fear we'll be on a 4-game losing skid with Brooklyn and Toronto coming to town and b2b night.

Fire Joe.
Trade Brown.

Can’t trade him till next season so he has all season to maintain his value if we were to trade him
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1202 on: November 08, 2023, 09:51:38 PM »

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2-game losing skid. Same old habits. Failure to change or adjust. I fear we'll be on a 4-game losing skid with Brooklyn and Toronto coming to town and b2b night.

Fire Joe.
Trade Brown.
Jaylen proving again that his contract was a massive overpay. He's not a franchise player but he's getting paid like one.

But they had to do it, because the alternative was losing him for nothing in free agency or getting a poor return trading him this years when he could have been a rental. I suppose they could have traded him to the clippers for whatever they got for harden. But if we lost him for nothing we can’t t replace his $31m with a like player because they’re already over the cap

Exactly, and then we trade our 2nd Team All NBA wing for two or three guys that aren't as good as him, or draft picks that are even further off of JT's timetable.  JT starts to question if he wants to be here.   There was no choice.

Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1203 on: November 08, 2023, 09:51:43 PM »

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Still haven’t changed my mind when it comes to our head coach.

Joe is too inexperienced for a title contending team that needs to be winning now. I still blame Wyc & Stevens for putting him in this position.

Mazzulla should have been demoted to an assistant, especially when guys like Nick Nurse & Frank Vogel were available.
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1204 on: November 08, 2023, 09:52:51 PM »

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2-game losing skid. Same old habits. Failure to change or adjust. I fear we'll be on a 4-game losing skid with Brooklyn and Toronto coming to town and b2b night.

Fire Joe.
Trade Brown.
Jaylen proving again that his contract was a massive overpay. He's not a franchise player but he's getting paid like one.

But they had to do it, because the alternative was losing him for nothing in free agency or getting a poor return trading him this years when he could have been a rental. I suppose they could have traded him to the clippers for whatever they got for harden. But if we lost him for nothing we can’t t replace his $31m with a like player because they’re already over the cap

Makes my fist shake seeing $300M on Brown to put up the same mistakes from past years and turning the ball over. Literally a #5 option on the team!

I rather get whatever the Clippers gave up so we get some depth and move forward with JT, KP, Jrue, and White.


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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1205 on: November 08, 2023, 09:53:55 PM »

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Still haven’t changed my mind when it comes to our head coach.

Joe is too inexperienced for a title contending team that needs to be winning now. I still blame Wyc & Stevens for putting him in this position.

Mazzulla should have been demoted to an assistant, especially when guys like Nick Nurse & Frank Vogel were available.

I am still in this camp as well, but the FO seems to think they know best...I guess.

Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1206 on: November 08, 2023, 10:01:26 PM »

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Fire Pritchard!

This was a game where it was perhaps better not to play Pritchard and use D White more as the backup PG. Go big with Hauser at SG. Philly have low quality offensive guards in Beverley & Melton that Hauser could cover.

This would've allowed BOS to stay bigger on the wing and at forward to better compete with Philly's depth at forward. They out-rebounded us 56-42. Getting that extra size out there could have been a good neutralizer.

Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1207 on: November 08, 2023, 10:09:24 PM »

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Probably one of the more bizarre Mazzulla post-game sessions since he's been head coach, and that's saying something. #Celtics #76ers

This is the other thing about Joe that drives me nuts. He's so bad with the media and comes off as so arrogant and insecure any time someone questions him.

Thought he had did some media training or something this summer, as he started off better and was fairly good in the JJ podcast. But since the season has started he's back to his awkward, defensive self.
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1208 on: November 08, 2023, 10:23:18 PM »

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https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/1722442745170526428

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Probably one of the more bizarre Mazzulla post-game sessions since he's been head coach, and that's saying something. #Celtics #76ers

This is the other thing about Joe that drives me nuts. He's so bad with the media and comes off as so arrogant and insecure any time someone questions him.

Thought he had did some media training or something this summer, as he started off better and was fairly good in the JJ podcast. But since the season has started he's back to his awkward, defensive self.

I posted this in the game thread, it was kind of hilarious to see him making fun of Gary in the presser I must admit, I don’t think Gary likes being made fun of though and he has the power of the pen  :angel:
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1209 on: November 08, 2023, 10:25:37 PM »

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This is what i posted when i saw the presser:

Joe making fun of Gary Washburn when Gary asks why they settled for too many 3s, said thst he wrote an article back in 2016 saying thst the Celtics shot too many 3s, asks him “that was 7 years ago…so what’s your fascination with too many 3s Gary?…you blamed the offense but not the defense…you wer ahead of the curve, they shot 42 threes then ans only 7 more tonight”

Also said he thought tonight was one of their better played games from an execution and mindset standpoint, had a well managed game, connected defensively, came down to a number of plays
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1210 on: November 08, 2023, 10:32:01 PM »

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I guess we lost  ???

Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1211 on: November 08, 2023, 10:54:07 PM »

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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1212 on: November 09, 2023, 03:09:52 PM »

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Probably one of the more bizarre Mazzulla post-game sessions since he's been head coach, and that's saying something. #Celtics #76ers

This is the other thing about Joe that drives me nuts. He's so bad with the media and comes off as so arrogant and insecure any time someone questions him.

Thought he had did some media training or something this summer, as he started off better and was fairly good in the JJ podcast. But since the season has started he's back to his awkward, defensive self.

Not that I completely disagree, but I feel like Gary Washburn also hates Mazzulla lol and so I wouldn't be surprised if those two just hate each other. Washburn has asked some ridiculous questions and posted some pretty exaggerated pieces on the C's and Mazzulla as well even last year when it didn't feel warranted.

Listen to Mazzulla on Zolak&Bertrand for example, I feel like he provides good insight with them even on hard questions and Zo+Beetle actually treat him normally. Washburn though always seems to be in attack-mode with him and not in a constructive way
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Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1213 on: November 09, 2023, 05:28:27 PM »

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https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/1722442745170526428

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Probably one of the more bizarre Mazzulla post-game sessions since he's been head coach, and that's saying something. #Celtics #76ers

This is the other thing about Joe that drives me nuts. He's so bad with the media and comes off as so arrogant and insecure any time someone questions him.

Thought he had did some media training or something this summer, as he started off better and was fairly good in the JJ podcast. But since the season has started he's back to his awkward, defensive self.

Not that I completely disagree, but I feel like Gary Washburn also hates Mazzulla lol and so I wouldn't be surprised if those two just hate each other. Washburn has asked some ridiculous questions and posted some pretty exaggerated pieces on the C's and Mazzulla as well even last year when it didn't feel warranted.

Listen to Mazzulla on Zolak&Bertrand for example, I feel like he provides good insight with them even on hard questions and Zo+Beetle actually treat him normally. Washburn though always seems to be in attack-mode with him and not in a constructive way

There's a difference between a person-to-person interview and the pressers. It's easy to come off better in a conversational interview and the tone is always going to be warmer since technically you are a "guest" and there is an implicit courteousness to the proceedings. Joe has to be better at the pressers and not come off so thin-skinned and defensive. It makes it seem like he's insecure and falls into fight-or-flight mode whenever he feels attacked. He also sometimes thinks he's being playful and insightful with a joke but he doesn't realize people are seeing through his obvious passive aggression.

I've said this before, but you're the coach of a big sports franchise in the Northeast. If he thinks the Celtics press core is tough or unfair now, imagine how he would have felt in the 80s or 90s when sports radio was dominant, the tone much more negative, and the press core was dominated by older veterans who had more power, influence, and security in their jobs. I watch a lot of the pressers on YT and a lot of the questions are softballs. If you're a diehard, you start to recognize most of the voices asking questions and a lot of the younger ones ask safe and boring stuff because they're afraid of losing access. I mean, Abby Chin is almost always asking multiple questions at these things and she works for the local affiliate! I love her seriousness in not just being a "sideline reporter," but obviously she's not going to be a tough interrogator.

Washburn asking about 3s is definitely a relevant question, because last season their record was horrible when they dropped below a certain percentage/number made. Smart, Brown, and Tatum were starters and they were all 35% and below. Sure, when we're hot the team looks like gangbusters, but you could say that about a lot of teams that are even worse at 3s than we are. Besides, Joe himself is the one who brought up 3s as an essential part of his offensive philosophy. Washburn repetitively asking about 3s wouldn't even matter if Joe simply responded with confidence instead of crazy "I've read your book. I know all your tricks. I will defeat you" kung-fu movie staredowns.

Re: Fire Joe!
« Reply #1214 on: November 09, 2023, 11:28:05 PM »

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This is the exchange in question. It's right at the start of the video and lasts about a minute.

https://youtu.be/XVJjjByctaU?si=vggEAUBOTHgQfhKZ

It must be said that Washburn and Joe aren't known to have a bad relationship, Washburn has been generally supportive of Joe in his articles, but he has been harping on the 3 point shooting for a while and brought it up pre-season saying that Joe said he wouldn't be happy if the team didn't take 50 threes a game...and Joe kind of laughed it off and said "I say a lot of things". But I guess he did his research in case Joe asked a question about it again  :angel:

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