Is Grant a goner? (Yes: Traded to DAL for second rounders)

[tonydelk]

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/02/nba-boston-celtics-yes-grant/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=CelticsWire%2Fmagazine%2FCeltics+Wire

Sure sounds like he might be coming back. Celtics comfortable to go over the 2nd apron?

Or just the cs posturing to get an asset back or getting a tpe without giving up a pick or asset in return.

[Celtics2021]

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/02/nba-boston-celtics-yes-grant/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=CelticsWire%2Fmagazine%2FCeltics+Wire

Sure sounds like he might be coming back. Celtics comfortable to go over the 2nd apron?

Or just the cs posturing to get an asset back or getting a tpe without giving up a pick or asset in return.

It’s definitely for an asset if they’re posturing.  TPEs are near worthless for a team at or near the second apron.

[PAOBoston]

At this point, I think Cs should match anything and then look to make a deal during the season if they are hellbent on getting under the 2nd apron. Think it would be a shame if they had such a good starting 5 only to have an empty bench.

[Celtics2021]

At this point, I think Cs should match anything and then look to make a deal during the season if they are hellbent on getting under the 2nd apron. Think it would be a shame if they had such a good starting 5 only to have an empty bench.

I’m holding out for a Grant Williams-Josh Green swap, but yes, I agree otherwise.  They’ve invested in making this team a title contender — skimping out on the 8th man is penny wise, pound foolish.  Match on Grant.  The second apron is really tomorrow’s problem.

[celticinorlando]

If you can match…match. Bench would be:

Brogdan
Pp
grant
Rob or Al
Hauser
Brisset
Walsh
Kornet

[cman88]

At this point, I think Cs should match anything and then look to make a deal during the season if they are hellbent on getting under the 2nd apron. Think it would be a shame if they had such a good starting 5 only to have an empty bench.

I agree. I mean right now if we lose grant we have the $5million MLE....but is there anyone we can get that can somewhat replace Grant? I dont see it. so if he gets a $12million MLE I would match it.

It's not like we are stuck with him. Brad can always wait and see if a team has a need and use Grant plus his millions of 2nd rounders to turn that into something else.

[Roy H.]

At this point, I think Cs should match anything and then look to make a deal during the season if they are hellbent on getting under the 2nd apron. Think it would be a shame if they had such a good starting 5 only to have an empty bench.

I agree. I mean right now if we lose grant we have the $5million MLE....but is there anyone we can get that can somewhat replace Grant? I dont see it. so if he gets a $12million MLE I would match it.

It's not like we are stuck with him. Brad can always wait and see if a team has a need and use Grant plus his millions of 2nd rounders to turn that into something else.

We don't even have the full MLE.  We started with it around $4.9 million, contingent on dumping Kornet's non-subsidized contract.  Now, we've signed two more guys who the league won't subsidize (because they signed two year minimum deals, instead of a one year deal).

We're probably closer to being able to offer $4 million.  And, at this point as you say, there really aren't many players worth spending it on. 

[Celtics2021]

At this point, I think Cs should match anything and then look to make a deal during the season if they are hellbent on getting under the 2nd apron. Think it would be a shame if they had such a good starting 5 only to have an empty bench.

I agree. I mean right now if we lose grant we have the $5million MLE....but is there anyone we can get that can somewhat replace Grant? I dont see it. so if he gets a $12million MLE I would match it.

It's not like we are stuck with him. Brad can always wait and see if a team has a need and use Grant plus his millions of 2nd rounders to turn that into something else.

We don't even have the full MLE.  We started with it around $4.9 million, contingent on dumping Kornet's non-subsidized contract.  Now, we've signed two more guys who the league won't subsidize (because they signed two year minimum deals, instead of a one year deal).

We're probably closer to being able to offer $4 million.  And, at this point as you say, there really aren't many players worth spending it on.

For what it’s worth, only Brissett lost the subsidy because of the multi-year deal.  Banton only has two years of experience, so his salary is at the subsidy amount already.

[Goldstar88]

Hawks, Hornets, Knicks among teams interested in Grant Williams

Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, New York and Washington are all still in the mix, according to league sources, with Grant Williams eligible to sign an offer sheet on July 6. The Celtics have 24 hours to match once the sheet is signed.  – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

Boston has been seeking a first-round pick in return for Williams, according to league sources, though it’s rare for a sign-and-trade for a role player to yield that significant of a return. Once Williams’ situation is resolved, the Celtics will have a clearer picture of how they can build for the future around Brown’s extension. – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

[Neurotic Guy]

Hawks, Hornets, Knicks among teams interested in Grant Williams

Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, New York and Washington are all still in the mix, according to league sources, with Grant Williams eligible to sign an offer sheet on July 6. The Celtics have 24 hours to match once the sheet is signed.  – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

Boston has been seeking a first-round pick in return for Williams, according to league sources, though it’s rare for a sign-and-trade for a role player to yield that significant of a return. Once Williams’ situation is resolved, the Celtics will have a clearer picture of how they can build for the future around Brown’s extension. – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

That certainly makes it sound like he’s gone. I like the return if they get a 1st but no question the Cs will need substantial bench help given the loss of Grant, Muscala, and Gallo and given the injury history of a bunch of Cs.  Brad ain’t done. Having 2 extra 1sts and a boatload of 2nds will help in trade(s) down the road.

[goCeltics]

Hawks, Hornets, Knicks among teams interested in Grant Williams

Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, New York and Washington are all still in the mix, according to league sources, with Grant Williams eligible to sign an offer sheet on July 6. The Celtics have 24 hours to match once the sheet is signed.  – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

Boston has been seeking a first-round pick in return for Williams, according to league sources, though it’s rare for a sign-and-trade for a role player to yield that significant of a return. Once Williams’ situation is resolved, the Celtics will have a clearer picture of how they can build for the future around Brown’s extension. – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

these teams can only offer the Non-Tax MLE at him, to me it sounds like they give us a first and we will send him away for a first-round pick or the Celtics Match the Non-Tax MLE

[Celtics2021]

Hawks, Hornets, Knicks among teams interested in Grant Williams

Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, New York and Washington are all still in the mix, according to league sources, with Grant Williams eligible to sign an offer sheet on July 6. The Celtics have 24 hours to match once the sheet is signed.  – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

Boston has been seeking a first-round pick in return for Williams, according to league sources, though it’s rare for a sign-and-trade for a role player to yield that significant of a return. Once Williams’ situation is resolved, the Celtics will have a clearer picture of how they can build for the future around Brown’s extension. – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

these teams can only offer the Non-Tax MLE at him, to me it sounds like they give us a first and we will send him away for a first-round pick or the Celtics Match the Non-Tax MLE

Atlanta would be looking for a sign-and-trade, as they only have $9.5 million under the luxury tax and just dumped John Collins to avoid it.  But if they do find someone to take salary from them, they have a $25 million TPE to work with, so they could go above the MLE if, for example, they gave a second to San Antonio or OKC to dump Rudy Gay.

As also already mentioned, if PJ Washington gets an offer from one of these same teams that Charlotte doesn’t want to match, or Charlotte works out a S&T, they’ll have a ton of cap room to go after Grant with an offer that they think the C’s won’t match.

[gouki88]

Hawks, Hornets, Knicks among teams interested in Grant Williams

Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, New York and Washington are all still in the mix, according to league sources, with Grant Williams eligible to sign an offer sheet on July 6. The Celtics have 24 hours to match once the sheet is signed.  – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

Boston has been seeking a first-round pick in return for Williams, according to league sources, though it’s rare for a sign-and-trade for a role player to yield that significant of a return. Once Williams’ situation is resolved, the Celtics will have a clearer picture of how they can build for the future around Brown’s extension. – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

That certainly makes it sound like he’s gone. I like the return if they get a 1st but no question the Cs will need substantial bench help given the loss of Grant, Muscala, and Gallo and given the injury history of a bunch of Cs.  Brad ain’t done. Having 2 extra 1sts and a boatload of 2nds will help in trade(s) down the road.

A 1st would be a fun thing to dangle with other bits we have for potential future moves. I would be totally okay with that as a return. As you say, that pick + GSW 1st + our truckload of 2nds could give us a lot of options

[goCeltics]

Hawks, Hornets, Knicks among teams interested in Grant Williams

Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, New York and Washington are all still in the mix, according to league sources, with Grant Williams eligible to sign an offer sheet on July 6. The Celtics have 24 hours to match once the sheet is signed.  – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

Boston has been seeking a first-round pick in return for Williams, according to league sources, though it’s rare for a sign-and-trade for a role player to yield that significant of a return. Once Williams’ situation is resolved, the Celtics will have a clearer picture of how they can build for the future around Brown’s extension. – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

these teams can only offer the Non-Tax MLE at him, to me it sounds like they give us a first and we will send him away for a first-round pick or the Celtics Match the Non-Tax MLE

Atlanta would be looking for a sign-and-trade, as they only have $9.5 million under the luxury tax and just dumped John Collins to avoid it.  But if they do find someone to take salary from them, they have a $25 million TPE to work with, so they could go above the MLE if, for example, they gave a second to San Antonio or OKC to dump Rudy Gay.

As also already mentioned, if PJ Washington gets an offer from one of these same teams that Charlotte doesn’t want to match, or Charlotte works out a S&T, they’ll have a ton of cap room to go after Grant with an offer that they think the C’s won’t match.

Those other teams be able to offer PJ only the non-Tax MLE as well. We will what happens in a couple of days

[Vermont Green]

Hawks, Hornets, Knicks among teams interested in Grant Williams

Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, New York and Washington are all still in the mix, according to league sources, with Grant Williams eligible to sign an offer sheet on July 6. The Celtics have 24 hours to match once the sheet is signed.  – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

Boston has been seeking a first-round pick in return for Williams, according to league sources, though it’s rare for a sign-and-trade for a role player to yield that significant of a return. Once Williams’ situation is resolved, the Celtics will have a clearer picture of how they can build for the future around Brown’s extension. – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

This is interesting, the idea that the Celtics would sign and trade Grant for a first round pick and that there may be some teams interested in doing this.  So I guess the idea is that these teams can offer the $12.4M MLE but then the Celtics would just match.  But then these other teams can use the MLE as a trade exemption and trade for Grant.  A team paying Grant $12.4M is one thing, having to pay and give up a first round pick is something altogether different.

I am not sure if this is the Celtics really interested in trading Grant or just interested in scaring away offers from other teams.  I guess the theory is that Brissett is a replacement for Grant?  Grant is undersized but can play regularly as a PF but my understanding is that Brissett is more of a wing, is that correct?  I pictured Brissett as more of a reinforcement to the back up wing role, an alternative option to Hauser, not a Gallinari or Grant replacement.

If we do trade Grant for a pick, the only way we could replace him would be with a vet min FA (or maybe a little more could be offered with the TPMLE).  Or we could do something with a trade of Brogdon or maybe Pritchard.  It still seems like just signing Grant is the best option, assuming the contract ceiling is around $12M.  And isn't his QO $12.9, so more than the MLE?