Is Grant a goner? (Yes: Traded to DAL for second rounders)

[keevsnick]

Spurs and Rockets both have about 25 million left, I don't think anyone else has more than the non-tax MLE starting at 12.4 million.

Rockets reportedly after Lopez/Brooks with rest of their cap space. Spurs might pursue Austin Reaves with an offer sheet.

Grant destinations drying up, doesn't seem like he's a priority for anyone. Wonder if he ends up back on qualifying offer.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Spurs and Rockets both have about 25 million left, I don't think anyone else has more than the non-tax MLE starting at 12.4 million.

Rockets reportedly after Lopez/Brooks with rest of their cap space. Spurs might pursue Austin Reaves with an offer sheet.

Grant destinations drying up, doesn't seem like he's a priority for anyone. Wonder if he ends up back on qualifying offer.

I've thought that the Spurs were more likely to be a salary dump location, but I've hoped they would be aggressive with a player like Reaves.

I don't see either team as a Grant Williams location. Williams notoriously drove Ime crazy.

Still would like to see us bring him back. He's a good player.

[keevsnick]

Spurs and Rockets both have about 25 million left, I don't think anyone else has more than the non-tax MLE starting at 12.4 million.

Rockets reportedly after Lopez/Brooks with rest of their cap space. Spurs might pursue Austin Reaves with an offer sheet.

Grant destinations drying up, doesn't seem like he's a priority for anyone. Wonder if he ends up back on qualifying offer.

I've thought that the Spurs were more likely to be a salary dump location, but I've hoped they would be aggressive with a player like Reaves.

I don't see either team as a Grant Williams location. Williams notoriously drove Ime crazy.

Still would like to see us bring him back. He's a good player.

Ya the spurs thing is speculation on my part. Reaves just seems like he'd really well there, and they have just enough money to make him his maximum offer sheet i think (could be wrong on that). Maybe they try that and if they fail become a salary dump spot.

[bogg]

Feels like either the Pacers or Mavs will get him. We'll see at what cost

Well Pacers only have about 10 million in cap room now, and Mavs only have 12.4 million non-tax MLE.

If Boston's decided that they can't pay Grant regardless, Indy has enough cap room to make a sign-and-trade for him work under the BYC rules with either McConnell or Theis coming back. Neither's great, but either could fill some minutes in the regular season (especially Theis, with Horford-Rob-KP likely to be a hospital ward) and would exist as a short-term contract that Boston could package with picks in another move.

[Who]

Grant would be nice in Miami if there was a way for the Heat to get him.

I wonder if NY would go after Grant if they trade away Obi Toppin. Grant is that floor spacing big that they want off their bench that Toppin was unable to be.

[keevsnick]

Feels like either the Pacers or Mavs will get him. We'll see at what cost

Well Pacers only have about 10 million in cap room now, and Mavs only have 12.4 million non-tax MLE.

If Boston's decided that they can't pay Grant regardless, Indy has enough cap room to make a sign-and-trade for him work under the BYC rules with either McConnell or Theis coming back. Neither's great, but either could fill some minutes in the regular season (especially Theis, with Horford-Rob-KP likely to be a hospital ward) and would exist as a short-term contract that Boston could package with picks in another move.

I wouldn't want either of those guys, even for free. McConnel is a small guard who can't/doesn't shoot and has a partial guarantee for next year I doubt the c's will want on their books. Theis is mediocre and getting paid 9 million this year. Although i guess you could argue his salary would be useful for matching in a trade.

[bogg]

I wouldn't want either of those guys, even for free. McConnel is a small guard who can't/doesn't shoot and has a partial guarantee for next year I doubt the c's will want on their books. Theis is mediocre and getting paid 9 million this year. Although i guess you could argue his salary would be useful for matching in a trade.

I am arguing that either one would be a useful contract for trade purposes. The only other deals that Boston has in that range are Rob and Horford, neither of which are exactly spare deals. Also, McConnell shot 44% from three last year. He's been up and down in his career, but he's not Ben Simmons out there.

[keevsnick]

I wouldn't want either of those guys, even for free. McConnel is a small guard who can't/doesn't shoot and has a partial guarantee for next year I doubt the c's will want on their books. Theis is mediocre and getting paid 9 million this year. Although i guess you could argue his salary would be useful for matching in a trade.

I am arguing that either one would be a useful contract for trade purposes. The only other deals that Boston has in that range are Rob and Horford, neither of which are exactly spare deals. Also, McConnell shot 44% from three last year. He's been up and down in his career, but he's not Ben Simmons out there.

He takes fewer than 1 three a game. The issue isn't that he can't hit them, it's that nobody respects him from range enough for it to matter.

I'm not sure the c's would want to take on salary this year just to maybe use it in a trade later. But also its not my money so if they do its fine with me.

[Who]

Someone described McConnell as "one of those rare players in today's game who can be a net positive at PG despite not being a three point shooter".

I agree.

Dude is really good (for a backup PG). Scrappy defender. Smart heady PG who runs his team well. Distributes the ball. Scores okay. Fairly well rounded player.

[bogg]

He takes fewer than 1 three a game. The issue isn't that he can't hit them, it's that nobody respects him from range enough for it to matter.

I'm not sure the c's would want to take on salary this year just to maybe use it in a trade later. But also its not my money so if they do its fine with me.

Someone described McConnell as "one of those rare players in today's game who can be a net positive at PG despite not being a three point shooter".

I agree.

Dude is really good (for a backup PG). Scrappy defender. Smart heady PG who runs his team well. Distributes the ball. Scores okay. Fairly well rounded player.

To be clear, McConnell is okay at best and if he were to wind up in Boston he'd be competing with Pritchard for the third-string role and/or allow them to grant Pritchard's trade request and cash out for some seconds. Similar with Theis - he'd just be a depth big that plays when other guys are hurt. The purpose of McConnell or Theis isn't actually McConnell or Theis, it's having a mid-sized salary that can be aggregated with other players and picks so you can eventually go get a veteran wing or something similar.

[Goldstar88]

I think Grant is getting a healthy dose of reality.

Fumbled the bag part 2. 

Schroder actually just signed with Toronto, 2 years/$26M. Took the money this time! Lol

The situation feels more like DeAndre Ayton than Dennis Shröder

How do you figure that? Ayton got paid a max contract, 4 years, $133M. Grant passed on a solid extension offer by the C’s Jut like Schroder did in LA. He’s likely going to get less than what was initially offered.

[cman88]

teams with capspace are drying up. almost seems like he will be getting an MLE type offer? or maybe less?

and if he does, do the celtics match it? if he plays well next year always could be a tradeable contract.

I still think Grant has value.

[bogg]

teams with capspace are drying up. almost seems like he will be getting an MLE type offer? or maybe less?

and if he does, do the celtics match it? if he plays well next year always could be a tradeable contract.

I still think Grant has value.

Yea, I mean, my preference is just keeping Grant, but it seems like it's really difficult to keep all of White/Brown/Tatum/KP long term and pay Grant eight figures. You can't sign and trade into a MLE, so if this gets dragged out Boston may wind up in a position where they have to match a contract they don't want to or watch him walk for nothing.

[SHAQATTACK]

teams with capspace are drying up. almost seems like he will be getting an MLE type offer? or maybe less?

and if he does, do the celtics match it? if he plays well next year always could be a tradeable contract.

I still think Grant has value.

Bag of chips

[Goldstar88]

Bobby Manning: Just talked to Grant Williams at his Boston b-ball camp & he said he isn’t stressing the free agency period as it continues: “For me, it’s a matter of making sure you’re in a great position for the rest of your life,” he told me. 3 hours ago – via Twitter RealBobManning