Grant Williams Extension

[Goldstar88]

When can Grant sign an extension and what do you suppose it’s going to cost to keep him? I’m thinking a similar contract to what Theis was given, four-year, $35M. I don’t think he’s worth much more than that. Really like Grant off the bench, but I don’t want him starting and  he’s not a replacement for Al. One guy that I do think would be a solid Horford replacement in another year or so would be Bobby Portis. 6’10/250lbs, is a solid defender, can rebound and shoot the 3.

[Csfan1984]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

[BruceBanner18]

I bet he's looking at Rob as his comp rather than Theis

[Celtics2021]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

[JohnBoy65]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

Can't the Celtics say hey Marcus accepted a 4yr/52 million. That's what you should take too?

[Phantom255x]

Somewhere in the 4 years, 56-64M range makes sense.

[Goldstar88]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

That’s more than Rob will be making. Over the next few years, Timelord is due $10.7M, $11.5M, $12.4M, $13M. Grant is giving them 7.8pts and 3.6rebs in 24mins off the bench. I’d let him walk for that kind of money.

[Celtics2021]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

That’s more than Rob will be making. Over the next few years, Timelord is due $10.7M, $11.5M, $12.4M, $13M. Grant is giving them 7.8pts and 3.6rebs in 24mins off the bench. I’d let him walk for that kind of money.

Grant has produced a heck of a lot more in his first three years than Rob had at the time of his own extension, not to mention has been much more available.  I’m not sure why he shouldn’t get a better deal than Rob.  Just because Rob blew up after he signed his extension doesn’t mean Grant doesn’t have a market value of his own independent of that.

[Roy H.]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

I think the MLE is about right for Williams, maybe a small premium.  But, if I were him I'd probably accept a little bit less now.  I'm fairly risk averse, and if there's an injury or a regression, he's looking at losing a healthy chunk of money.  If we're talking about the difference between, say, $44 million now versus a reasonable maximum around $50 million for his current level of play, I'd take that.  He's not the type of player who could reasonably "bet on himself" and double his salary from his current value.

[JohnBoy65]

I also think with this topic tax implications don't matter. Jaylen will be playing on the last year of his contract next year, and he's due for a sizable raise. So I guess of course we don't want to overpay, but if it takes 16m a year to keep Grant, who cares? We'll be in the tax anyway.

[Goldstar88]

I bet he's looking at Rob as his comp rather than Theis

Rob is a starter and was in the discussion for DPOY. He gave the C’s 10pts, 9.6rebs, 2ast, and 2blks a game. Grant is a bench player averaging 7.8pts and 3.6rebs in 24mins of play. They are not comparable players.

[Neurotic Guy]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

I think the MLE is about right for Williams, maybe a small premium.  But, if I were him I'd probably accept a little bit less now.  I'm fairly risk averse, and if there's an injury or a regression, he's looking at losing a healthy chunk of money.  If we're talking about the difference between, say, $44 million now versus a reasonable maximum around $50 million for his current level of play, I'd take that.  He's not the type of player who could reasonably "bet on himself" and double his salary from his current value.

Impossible to guess what a player's/agent's mindset will be. Sick really that we are talking 50M for a 6th - 8th guy in the rotation.  He could be a starter other places but still, that's a boatload of money.  Grant could be one to play it safe with a good paycheck rather than gamble for a bigger one.  23 years old and set for life financially is a nice place to be.

[Celtics2021]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

I think the MLE is about right for Williams, maybe a small premium.  But, if I were him I'd probably accept a little bit less now.  I'm fairly risk averse, and if there's an injury or a regression, he's looking at losing a healthy chunk of money.  If we're talking about the difference between, say, $44 million now versus a reasonable maximum around $50 million for his current level of play, I'd take that.  He's not the type of player who could reasonably "bet on himself" and double his salary from his current value.

Grant is only 23, turning 24 about a quarter of the way into next season.  Additional ascension is much more likely than regression in his case.  Also, risk aversion cuts both ways.  A lot of teams have been targeting 2023 as a free agency year, and someone is going to have a lot of money to spend that doesn’t hit on a big time free agent.  Look at what Jerami Grant got from Detroit for production not that different from what Williams has done so far in his career — $60 million over 3 years.  Someone is going to have cash — do the Celtics want to risk Grant is the guy a team has pegged to break out into a lead player, giving him a contract the C’s don’t want to match?  That might be worth paying a small premium during extension negotiations to eliminate that possibility.  With Horford’s deal ending and almost certainly heading for a pay cut if he remains in Boston, the Celtics should be able to afford Williams if they aren’t too stingy.

[rondohondo]

He is basically Brandon Bass, who shoots 3's. I wouldn't tie up a lot of money in him, unless it is a s+t

[Goldstar88]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

That’s more than Rob will be making. Over the next few years, Timelord is due $10.7M, $11.5M, $12.4M, $13M. Grant is giving them 7.8pts and 3.6rebs in 24mins off the bench. I’d let him walk for that kind of money.

Grant has produced a heck of a lot more in his first three years than Rob had at the time of his own extension, not to mention has been much more available.  I’m not sure why he shouldn’t get a better deal than Rob.  Just because Rob blew up after he signed his extension doesn’t mean Grant doesn’t have a market value of his own independent of that.

Players get paid on current production, not what they did in the past. Grant is having his best year at 7.8pts and 3.6 rebs, which is acceptable for a role player. Rob’s ceiling is significantly higher than Grants and always has been.