Grant Williams Extension

[Goldstar88]

Somewhere in the 4 years, 56-64M range makes sense.

I agree, he would start on a lot of teams. This looks like a starter's pay. He is young, smart, has no injury history, and doesn't get in the trouble of the court.

Which teams do you think he would start on?

He’s not starting on Bucks, 76ers, Raptors, Bulls, Nets, Hawks, Cavs, Hornets, Knicks, Pistons, Magic.

Is he starting over Kuzma or Hachimura for the Wiz? I don’t think so. Pacers over Jalen Smith? Maybe. So  potentially one team in the East.

Grant is an Elite 3 point shooter and strong switchable defender. He's also an elite free throw shooter and a great teammate. He's also tough as a two dollar steak. He'd start on many teams just for the spacing and defense he brings.

Grant is a solid role player. I like having him off the bench for sure. So what teams would he be an upgrade for over their current starting PF?

[Androslav]

Somewhere in the 4 years, 56-64M range makes sense.

I agree, he would start on a lot of teams. This looks like a starter's pay. He is young, smart, has no injury history, and doesn't get in the trouble of the court.

Which teams do you think he would start on?

He’s not starting on Bucks, 76ers, Raptors, Bulls, Nets, Hawks, Cavs, Hornets, Knicks, Pistons, Magic.

Is he starting over Kuzma or Hachimura for the Wiz? I don’t think so. Pacers over Jalen Smith? Maybe. So  potentially one team in the East.

Grant is an Elite 3 point shooter and strong switchable defender. He's also an elite free throw shooter and a great teammate. He's also tough as a two dollar steak. He'd start on many teams just for the spacing and defense he brings.

Grant is a solid role player. I like having him off the bench for sure. So what teams would he be an upgrade for over their current starting PF?

We are looking at where would he start for the duration of this extension. That's my logic.
Currently, I think he would start for the Suns. IMO he is better than Crowder.

[Goldstar88]

Somewhere in the 4 years, 56-64M range makes sense.

I agree, he would start on a lot of teams. This looks like a starter's pay. He is young, smart, has no injury history, and doesn't get in the trouble of the court.

Which teams do you think he would start on?

He’s not starting on Bucks, 76ers, Raptors, Bulls, Nets, Hawks, Cavs, Hornets, Knicks, Pistons, Magic.

Is he starting over Kuzma or Hachimura for the Wiz? I don’t think so. Pacers over Jalen Smith? Maybe. So  potentially one team in the East.

Grant is an Elite 3 point shooter and strong switchable defender. He's also an elite free throw shooter and a great teammate. He's also tough as a two dollar steak. He'd start on many teams just for the spacing and defense he brings.

Grant is a solid role player. I like having him off the bench for sure. So what teams would he be an upgrade for over their current starting PF?

We are looking at where would he start for the duration of this extension. That's my logic.
Currently, I think he would start for the Suns. IMO he is better than Crowder.

Crowder is 31 he’s playing 28mpg and giving the Suns 9.4pts, 5.3rebs, 1.9ast, 1.4stls. I’d give the edge to Jae defensively, Although it’s close. I don’t see how Grant is an upgrade. If the Suns keep Ayton at what $25M+/year and they will be paying CP3 $30M+/Year, Booker $30M+/year, then you have Bridges at $21M+/year. Cam Jonson will be a RFA as well and he’s an important piece that I’d imagine they’d like to keep. I don’t see how they would have money left over to pay Grant the $15M+/year that you think he’s worth. I don’t see any team paying him that kind of money for 7.8pts and 3.5rebs a game.

[G-Bones]

I can’t think about Crowder without remembering him injuring Hayward.  Terrible incident. 

[nebist]

I think Grant's range is probably 10-13 AAV. Generally, you need to get above the MLE to get a player to ink an extension because a lot of agents think the MLE will be their floor for a solid player in FA. I have a hard time seeing the Celtics paying Grant more than Rob although it is a year later and the #s always go up. A 4/40 extension makes a lot of sense to me, but the #s usually tend to come in a little higher than I anticipate and Grant's playoff performance could be making him some $, so I'll predict 4/48 (almost identical to Rob's deal). Ideally, we could get a team option on year 4 at that higher #. That would be a bonus. If Grant wanted more than 13/year, I would easily play it out through RFA.

[nickagneta]

I think 4/$52 million seems about right. Though if Grant averages 12/2/5 on 46/40/90 shooting or better in these playoffs, with the type of defense he is playing, that could be a low number.

[BitterJim]

I think 4/$52 million seems about right. Though if Grant averages 12/2/5 on 46/40/90 shooting or better in these playoffs, with the type of defense he is playing, that could be a low number.

This is the biggest problem with a Grant extension. If you want to sign him this year, you want to be paying him less than he might be worth next summer, but he wants to get around what he deserves. He has a pretty short track record of being worth the kind of money we're talking about, but also looks like he could prove to be worth more. I'm not optimistic about the team finding a number that works for both teams this summer, but I thought the same thing about Rob so who knows.

It's definitely encouraging that Brad seems more willing to come to an agreement than Danny was. Based on past rookie extensions I doubt Danny would have come to an agreement with Rob.

[PAOBoston]

Depends on how he views himself and how the team views him. Once Al is gone, do we think he’s a suitable replacement at the 4? Does he view himself as a starter? Does the team view him as a starter or 6th man type?

I was definitely wrong about Grant and he’s shown great improvement during his time in the league. But, I don’t think the Cs should over extend themselves to sign him if they don’t view him as a key contributor on this team. I think there’s always a team willing to pay dumb money out there so Williams could seriously cash in.

[nebist]

I think Grant would have a tough time turning down 10-13 mil a year and 40+ million guaranteed. What is his best case scenario? Everything breaks perfect for him over the next two years, and he scores a deal at, say, 16 AAV? Whereas worst case scenario would be probably plateauing or having some shooting regression, being viewed strictly as a bench player with no upside, and signing somewhere for TPMLE as a role player. So he could maybe gain 20 mil if everything breaks perfect for him, or he could lose 30 mil and the chance at generational wealth. He's a smart dude that likes to play board games in his free time. I'd be really surprised if he doesn't sign a reasonable extension this summer.

[jambr380]

I think 4/$52 million seems about right. Though if Grant averages 12/2/5 on 46/40/90 shooting or better in these playoffs, with the type of defense he is playing, that could be a low number.

This is the biggest problem with a Grant extension. If you want to sign him this year, you want to be paying him less than he might be worth next summer, but he wants to get around what he deserves. He has a pretty short track record of being worth the kind of money we're talking about, but also looks like he could prove to be worth more. I'm not optimistic about the team finding a number that works for both teams this summer, but I thought the same thing about Rob so who knows.

It's definitely encouraging that Brad seems more willing to come to an agreement than Danny was. Based on past rookie extensions I doubt Danny would have come to an agreement with Rob.

I'm not sure why you think that. In Rob's case, even though people were still moderately concerned with his injury history, it was pretty universally accepted at the time that we got him at a bargain price. Sounds to me like Rob wanted to lock himself in just in case he got hurt. He even said something about having a goal of playing 60 games. I don't even think he knew his potential.

In Smart's case, he literally couldn't be paid any more than what he signed for. Danny signed him to an extension last time and I am sure he would have done the same last summer. Just because he let guys like Kelly Olynyk and Jared Sullinger walk for nothing doesn't mean he wouldn't want to lock in more important players.

Grant is actually an interesting case. It is always difficult to start gauging a player's value just after they had the best game of their career. If we go on to lose the next 3 games with Grant putting up around his season averages of 7.8/3.6/1, that is going to be a lot different than if he is a major contributor to a Title. We'll just have to see how things look once the season is fully over and his season can be judged as a whole.

[wikkid1]

At what point is enough money enough? Depends on player. If I'm a great fit on a contending consistent winner and still making insane money  to even wealthy normal people? Would I rather win , still have more money that  I should ever have to or need to spend and win? Can you resign yourself to playing with a couple guys making 5 time what you do? To me i'd rather stay where I fit and win , lots of exposure on a team like Celtics or go make more on a loser, that will always be a loser and I may not fit anyway?

I feel like it's very difficult to try and put oneself in such a position, as I don't think any of us are multimillionaire athletes

I’m not but I play one on TV.

[BitterJim]

I think 4/$52 million seems about right. Though if Grant averages 12/2/5 on 46/40/90 shooting or better in these playoffs, with the type of defense he is playing, that could be a low number.

This is the biggest problem with a Grant extension. If you want to sign him this year, you want to be paying him less than he might be worth next summer, but he wants to get around what he deserves. He has a pretty short track record of being worth the kind of money we're talking about, but also looks like he could prove to be worth more. I'm not optimistic about the team finding a number that works for both teams this summer, but I thought the same thing about Rob so who knows.

It's definitely encouraging that Brad seems more willing to come to an agreement than Danny was. Based on past rookie extensions I doubt Danny would have come to an agreement with Rob.

I'm not sure why you think that. In Rob's case, even though people were still moderately concerned with his injury history, it was pretty universally accepted at the time that we got him at a bargain price. Sounds to me like Rob wanted to lock himself in just in case he got hurt. He even said something about having a goal of playing 60 games. I don't even think he knew his potential.

In Smart's case, he literally couldn't be paid any more than what he signed for. Danny signed him to an extension last time and I am sure he would have done the same last summer. Just because he let guys like Kelly Olynyk and Jared Sullinger walk for nothing doesn't mean he wouldn't want to lock in more important players.

Grant is actually an interesting case. It is always difficult to start gauging a player's value just after they had the best game of their career. If we go on to lose the next 3 games with Grant putting up around his season averages of 7.8/3.6/1, that is going to be a lot different than if he is a major contributor to a Title. We'll just have to see how things look once the season is fully over and his season can be judged as a whole.

Danny didn't really sign many guys to rookie extensions. The list is literally Rondo, Perk, Tatum, and Brown. I just don't think Rob would have joined that list, but would have instead joined the list of guys like Smart and Bradley who were re-signed as RFAs. It would have ended up more expensive in Rob's case, but if this season had been as injury-heavy as his first 3 then the contract would be looking really bad.

I just don't think Ainge would have taken the same risk

[Celtics2021]

Pay the man!

[gouki88]

Pay the man!

Max incoming

[Celtics Mike]

A no brainer !