Grant Williams Extension

[Celtics2021]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

I think the MLE is about right for Williams, maybe a small premium.  But, if I were him I'd probably accept a little bit less now.  I'm fairly risk averse, and if there's an injury or a regression, he's looking at losing a healthy chunk of money.  If we're talking about the difference between, say, $44 million now versus a reasonable maximum around $50 million for his current level of play, I'd take that.  He's not the type of player who could reasonably "bet on himself" and double his salary from his current value.

Grant is only 23, turning 24 about a quarter of the way into next season.  Additional ascension is much more likely than regression in his case.  Also, risk aversion cuts both ways.  A lot of teams have been targeting 2023 as a free agency year, and someone is going to have a lot of money to spend that doesn’t hit on a big time free agent.  Look at what Jerami Grant got from Detroit for production not that different from what Williams has done so far in his career — $60 million over 3 years.  Someone is going to have cash — do the Celtics want to risk Grant is the guy a team has pegged to break out into a lead player, giving him a contract the C’s don’t want to match?  That might be worth paying a small premium during extension negotiations to eliminate that possibility.  With Horford’s deal ending and almost certainly heading for a pay cut if he remains in Boston, the Celtics should be able to afford Williams if they aren’t too stingy.

You are seriously comparing Grant Williams to Jerami Grant…I will have what you’re having.

Jerami Grant at 23 -- 8.4/3.9/0.7 on .535/.291/.675 shooting (eFG and TS .570 and .607).

Grant Williams at 23 -- 7.8/3.6/1.0 on .475/.411/.905 (eFG and TS of .597 and .635).

Yes, I will seriously compare them.

Just because they were both once 23 years old, doesn’t mean they are comparable players. Before Jerami signed the contract with Detroit, he averaged 12pts, 3.5rebs, while shooting 39% from 3pt and 48% from the field for Denver. The year before that in OKC he averaged 13.6pts, 5.2rebs, shot 39% from 3pt and 50% from the field. Jerami is a 6’8” athletic wing, which is the most important position in the NBA. Grant Williams is a PF listed at a generous 6’6”, who lacks athleticism and is averaging 7.8pts and only 3.5rebs in 24mins of play. They are not comparable talents.

I don't know how anyone can have watched Grant Williams play defense on both Kyrie and Giannis this postseason and still think he "lacks athleticism".  Come on.

[Vermont Green]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

I think the MLE is about right for Williams, maybe a small premium.  But, if I were him I'd probably accept a little bit less now.  I'm fairly risk averse, and if there's an injury or a regression, he's looking at losing a healthy chunk of money.  If we're talking about the difference between, say, $44 million now versus a reasonable maximum around $50 million for his current level of play, I'd take that.  He's not the type of player who could reasonably "bet on himself" and double his salary from his current value.

Grant is only 23, turning 24 about a quarter of the way into next season.  Additional ascension is much more likely than regression in his case.  Also, risk aversion cuts both ways.  A lot of teams have been targeting 2023 as a free agency year, and someone is going to have a lot of money to spend that doesn’t hit on a big time free agent.  Look at what Jerami Grant got from Detroit for production not that different from what Williams has done so far in his career — $60 million over 3 years.  Someone is going to have cash — do the Celtics want to risk Grant is the guy a team has pegged to break out into a lead player, giving him a contract the C’s don’t want to match?  That might be worth paying a small premium during extension negotiations to eliminate that possibility.  With Horford’s deal ending and almost certainly heading for a pay cut if he remains in Boston, the Celtics should be able to afford Williams if they aren’t too stingy.

You are seriously comparing Grant Williams to Jerami Grant…I will have what you’re having.

Jerami Grant at 23 -- 8.4/3.9/0.7 on .535/.291/.675 shooting (eFG and TS .570 and .607).

Grant Williams at 23 -- 7.8/3.6/1.0 on .475/.411/.905 (eFG and TS of .597 and .635).

Yes, I will seriously compare them.

Just because they were both once 23 years old, doesn’t mean they are comparable players. Before Jerami signed the contract with Detroit, he averaged 12pts, 3.5rebs, while shooting 39% from 3pt and 48% from the field for Denver. The year before that in OKC he averaged 13.6pts, 5.2rebs, shot 39% from 3pt and 50% from the field. Jerami is a 6’8” athletic wing, which is the most important position in the NBA. Grant Williams is a PF listed at a generous 6’6”, who lacks athleticism and is averaging 7.8pts and only 3.5rebs in 24mins of play. They are not comparable talents.

I don't know how anyone can have watched Grant Williams play defense on both Kyrie and Giannis this postseason and still think he "lacks athleticism".  Come on.

It depends on how you look at him.  As a PF (what I believe to be his natural position), he is undersized and has below average "hops" for a big but otherwise his overall athleticism is not the problem.  As a wing, he has sufficient size but not nearly the needed handle or overall athleticism.  He is a smart player and can handle guarding more athletic players when in a switch but I feel it is fair to conclude that Grant Williams has below average overall athleticism to play PF in the NBA.  If he was 6'-10" with below average athleticism, it might now be an issue at all but he is 6'-6" with below average athleticism so it is a limitation for him and I think if he chooses to be a FA in 2023, that will be reflected in the offers that he sees.

[sgrogan]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

I think the MLE is about right for Williams, maybe a small premium.  But, if I were him I'd probably accept a little bit less now.  I'm fairly risk averse, and if there's an injury or a regression, he's looking at losing a healthy chunk of money.  If we're talking about the difference between, say, $44 million now versus a reasonable maximum around $50 million for his current level of play, I'd take that.  He's not the type of player who could reasonably "bet on himself" and double his salary from his current value.

Grant is only 23, turning 24 about a quarter of the way into next season.  Additional ascension is much more likely than regression in his case.  Also, risk aversion cuts both ways.  A lot of teams have been targeting 2023 as a free agency year, and someone is going to have a lot of money to spend that doesn’t hit on a big time free agent.  Look at what Jerami Grant got from Detroit for production not that different from what Williams has done so far in his career — $60 million over 3 years.  Someone is going to have cash — do the Celtics want to risk Grant is the guy a team has pegged to break out into a lead player, giving him a contract the C’s don’t want to match?  That might be worth paying a small premium during extension negotiations to eliminate that possibility.  With Horford’s deal ending and almost certainly heading for a pay cut if he remains in Boston, the Celtics should be able to afford Williams if they aren’t too stingy.

You are seriously comparing Grant Williams to Jerami Grant…I will have what you’re having.

Jerami Grant at 23 -- 8.4/3.9/0.7 on .535/.291/.675 shooting (eFG and TS .570 and .607).

Grant Williams at 23 -- 7.8/3.6/1.0 on .475/.411/.905 (eFG and TS of .597 and .635).

Yes, I will seriously compare them.

Just because they were both once 23 years old, doesn’t mean they are comparable players. Before Jerami signed the contract with Detroit, he averaged 12pts, 3.5rebs, while shooting 39% from 3pt and 48% from the field for Denver. The year before that in OKC he averaged 13.6pts, 5.2rebs, shot 39% from 3pt and 50% from the field. Jerami is a 6’8” athletic wing, which is the most important position in the NBA. Grant Williams is a PF listed at a generous 6’6”, who lacks athleticism and is averaging 7.8pts and only 3.5rebs in 24mins of play. They are not comparable talents.

I don't know how anyone can have watched Grant Williams play defense on both Kyrie and Giannis this postseason and still think he "lacks athleticism".  Come on.

I'm one of them.
I don't think he's overly tall, long, quick, or fast.
I think he has a big BBIQ. He's certainly more athletic than some keyboard jockey, but compared to other nba athletes. not so much.
I do think he knows how to play basketball, and especially recently its fun to watch.

[sgrogan]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

That’s more than Rob will be making. Over the next few years, Timelord is due $10.7M, $11.5M, $12.4M, $13M. Grant is giving them 7.8pts and 3.6rebs in 24mins off the bench. I’d let him walk for that kind of money.

Rob was given his contract based on a year before the extension of 8 points, 7 rebounds and a complete inability over three years of staying healthy and available to play.

Grant getting a similar contact on 7.6 points and 3.6 rebounds the year before his extension, but being completely healthy and available for three years, while making himself one of the best three point shooters in the league, seems to be fair.

Come on, Nick. Rob’s per 36 numbers were off the charts before he signed that extension. Grant never had that sort of upside. The talent discrepancy is immense.

Rob’s per 36 the season before he signed the extension: 15.2pts, 13.1rebs, 3.4ast, 3.3blks, 1.6stls,

Rob doesn't play 36 minutes. Even this season, Rob's best, Grant played more minutes. Sometime availability is the best ability. Just sayin'

[Goldstar88]

If I understand correctly, Grant can be extended after this season or he becomes a RFA in 2023 with a $6.2M QO.  I am not so sure that the big offers will be there for him as an RFA.  Look at Markkanen.  He struggled to get his deal at $16.8M average and he would seem to have more market value.

Grant has been a useful, versatile player for us.  He dramatically improved his 3pt shooting that has helped is value significantly.  But his ceiling is still likely a bench player or maybe fringe starter.  He is an undersized player whose best season is 8 pts, 4 rebs.  Markkanen is a near 7-footer who as a starter, flirted with 20 pts/10 rebs.  I am not sure what all this means in terms of actual contract value.  Players always get more than I think they will get, always.  But maybe 4 years/$50M?  That is already more than RWill, he got 4/$48M.   So maybe actually 4/$45M?

Maybe the best thing for him is to play out his final year and become a RFA.  If he keeps improving, who knows.  I just don't see a lot of teams opening up either check books for him.

Vermont Green, the voice of reason. Thank you and a TP.

[ETNCeltics]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

I think the MLE is about right for Williams, maybe a small premium.  But, if I were him I'd probably accept a little bit less now.  I'm fairly risk averse, and if there's an injury or a regression, he's looking at losing a healthy chunk of money.  If we're talking about the difference between, say, $44 million now versus a reasonable maximum around $50 million for his current level of play, I'd take that.  He's not the type of player who could reasonably "bet on himself" and double his salary from his current value.

Grant is only 23, turning 24 about a quarter of the way into next season.  Additional ascension is much more likely than regression in his case.  Also, risk aversion cuts both ways.  A lot of teams have been targeting 2023 as a free agency year, and someone is going to have a lot of money to spend that doesn’t hit on a big time free agent.  Look at what Jerami Grant got from Detroit for production not that different from what Williams has done so far in his career — $60 million over 3 years.  Someone is going to have cash — do the Celtics want to risk Grant is the guy a team has pegged to break out into a lead player, giving him a contract the C’s don’t want to match?  That might be worth paying a small premium during extension negotiations to eliminate that possibility.  With Horford’s deal ending and almost certainly heading for a pay cut if he remains in Boston, the Celtics should be able to afford Williams if they aren’t too stingy.

You are seriously comparing Grant Williams to Jerami Grant…I will have what you’re having.

Jerami Grant at 23 -- 8.4/3.9/0.7 on .535/.291/.675 shooting (eFG and TS .570 and .607).

Grant Williams at 23 -- 7.8/3.6/1.0 on .475/.411/.905 (eFG and TS of .597 and .635).

Yes, I will seriously compare them.

Just because they were both once 23 years old, doesn’t mean they are comparable players. Before Jerami signed the contract with Detroit, he averaged 12pts, 3.5rebs, while shooting 39% from 3pt and 48% from the field for Denver. The year before that in OKC he averaged 13.6pts, 5.2rebs, shot 39% from 3pt and 50% from the field. Jerami is a 6’8” athletic wing, which is the most important position in the NBA. Grant Williams is a PF listed at a generous 6’6”, who lacks athleticism and is averaging 7.8pts and only 3.5rebs in 24mins of play. They are not comparable talents.

I don't know how anyone can have watched Grant Williams play defense on both Kyrie and Giannis this postseason and still think he "lacks athleticism".  Come on.

He does lack athleticism, compared to say all of our starters except Horford, but he gets away with it because of super high bbiq and instincts.

Not sure why some of these guys think he can't ever be a legit starter. He can play at a PJ Tucker level, and Tucker always seems to find himself as a starter on a playoff team. Just like most here thought Max Strus had no upside, and now he's contributing and even starting for the Heat.

[gouki88]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

I think the MLE is about right for Williams, maybe a small premium.  But, if I were him I'd probably accept a little bit less now.  I'm fairly risk averse, and if there's an injury or a regression, he's looking at losing a healthy chunk of money.  If we're talking about the difference between, say, $44 million now versus a reasonable maximum around $50 million for his current level of play, I'd take that.  He's not the type of player who could reasonably "bet on himself" and double his salary from his current value.

Grant is only 23, turning 24 about a quarter of the way into next season.  Additional ascension is much more likely than regression in his case.  Also, risk aversion cuts both ways.  A lot of teams have been targeting 2023 as a free agency year, and someone is going to have a lot of money to spend that doesn’t hit on a big time free agent.  Look at what Jerami Grant got from Detroit for production not that different from what Williams has done so far in his career — $60 million over 3 years.  Someone is going to have cash — do the Celtics want to risk Grant is the guy a team has pegged to break out into a lead player, giving him a contract the C’s don’t want to match?  That might be worth paying a small premium during extension negotiations to eliminate that possibility.  With Horford’s deal ending and almost certainly heading for a pay cut if he remains in Boston, the Celtics should be able to afford Williams if they aren’t too stingy.

You are seriously comparing Grant Williams to Jerami Grant…I will have what you’re having.

Jerami Grant at 23 -- 8.4/3.9/0.7 on .535/.291/.675 shooting (eFG and TS .570 and .607).

Grant Williams at 23 -- 7.8/3.6/1.0 on .475/.411/.905 (eFG and TS of .597 and .635).

Yes, I will seriously compare them.

Just because they were both once 23 years old, doesn’t mean they are comparable players. Before Jerami signed the contract with Detroit, he averaged 12pts, 3.5rebs, while shooting 39% from 3pt and 48% from the field for Denver. The year before that in OKC he averaged 13.6pts, 5.2rebs, shot 39% from 3pt and 50% from the field. Jerami is a 6’8” athletic wing, which is the most important position in the NBA. Grant Williams is a PF listed at a generous 6’6”, who lacks athleticism and is averaging 7.8pts and only 3.5rebs in 24mins of play. They are not comparable talents.

This is such a weird hill to die on. Jerami Grant at the same age was a worse player than Grant Williams currently is. His statistical jump came with him being given twice as many shots.

[Goldstar88]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

I think the MLE is about right for Williams, maybe a small premium.  But, if I were him I'd probably accept a little bit less now.  I'm fairly risk averse, and if there's an injury or a regression, he's looking at losing a healthy chunk of money.  If we're talking about the difference between, say, $44 million now versus a reasonable maximum around $50 million for his current level of play, I'd take that.  He's not the type of player who could reasonably "bet on himself" and double his salary from his current value.

Grant is only 23, turning 24 about a quarter of the way into next season.  Additional ascension is much more likely than regression in his case.  Also, risk aversion cuts both ways.  A lot of teams have been targeting 2023 as a free agency year, and someone is going to have a lot of money to spend that doesn’t hit on a big time free agent.  Look at what Jerami Grant got from Detroit for production not that different from what Williams has done so far in his career — $60 million over 3 years.  Someone is going to have cash — do the Celtics want to risk Grant is the guy a team has pegged to break out into a lead player, giving him a contract the C’s don’t want to match?  That might be worth paying a small premium during extension negotiations to eliminate that possibility.  With Horford’s deal ending and almost certainly heading for a pay cut if he remains in Boston, the Celtics should be able to afford Williams if they aren’t too stingy.

You are seriously comparing Grant Williams to Jerami Grant…I will have what you’re having.

Jerami Grant at 23 -- 8.4/3.9/0.7 on .535/.291/.675 shooting (eFG and TS .570 and .607).

Grant Williams at 23 -- 7.8/3.6/1.0 on .475/.411/.905 (eFG and TS of .597 and .635).

Yes, I will seriously compare them.

Just because they were both once 23 years old, doesn’t mean they are comparable players. Before Jerami signed the contract with Detroit, he averaged 12pts, 3.5rebs, while shooting 39% from 3pt and 48% from the field for Denver. The year before that in OKC he averaged 13.6pts, 5.2rebs, shot 39% from 3pt and 50% from the field. Jerami is a 6’8” athletic wing, which is the most important position in the NBA. Grant Williams is a PF listed at a generous 6’6”, who lacks athleticism and is averaging 7.8pts and only 3.5rebs in 24mins of play. They are not comparable talents.

This is such a weird hill to die on. Jerami Grant at the same age was a worse player than Grant Williams currently is. His statistical jump came with him being given twice as many shots.

Jerami Grant was averaging 10pts, 5rebs, 1.5blks his second year in the league. Grant Williams was averaging 5pts, 3rebs, 0.4blks. Who cares what each guy did at age 23, let’s look at what they did right before they were due for a new contract. These two  are in no way similar talents. Do you really think Grant Williams is ever going be a 20ppg scorer like Jerami Grant? It’s a ridiculous comparison.

[gouki88]

I feel Grant would go to market if he gets offered anything less than 13 million per year.

Yeah, that’s about right in my opinion.  A full MLE when Grant hits free agency will be around 4 years, $47 million, so that probably the floor of what he would accept.

I think the MLE is about right for Williams, maybe a small premium.  But, if I were him I'd probably accept a little bit less now.  I'm fairly risk averse, and if there's an injury or a regression, he's looking at losing a healthy chunk of money.  If we're talking about the difference between, say, $44 million now versus a reasonable maximum around $50 million for his current level of play, I'd take that.  He's not the type of player who could reasonably "bet on himself" and double his salary from his current value.

Grant is only 23, turning 24 about a quarter of the way into next season.  Additional ascension is much more likely than regression in his case.  Also, risk aversion cuts both ways.  A lot of teams have been targeting 2023 as a free agency year, and someone is going to have a lot of money to spend that doesn’t hit on a big time free agent.  Look at what Jerami Grant got from Detroit for production not that different from what Williams has done so far in his career — $60 million over 3 years.  Someone is going to have cash — do the Celtics want to risk Grant is the guy a team has pegged to break out into a lead player, giving him a contract the C’s don’t want to match?  That might be worth paying a small premium during extension negotiations to eliminate that possibility.  With Horford’s deal ending and almost certainly heading for a pay cut if he remains in Boston, the Celtics should be able to afford Williams if they aren’t too stingy.

You are seriously comparing Grant Williams to Jerami Grant…I will have what you’re having.

Jerami Grant at 23 -- 8.4/3.9/0.7 on .535/.291/.675 shooting (eFG and TS .570 and .607).

Grant Williams at 23 -- 7.8/3.6/1.0 on .475/.411/.905 (eFG and TS of .597 and .635).

Yes, I will seriously compare them.

Just because they were both once 23 years old, doesn’t mean they are comparable players. Before Jerami signed the contract with Detroit, he averaged 12pts, 3.5rebs, while shooting 39% from 3pt and 48% from the field for Denver. The year before that in OKC he averaged 13.6pts, 5.2rebs, shot 39% from 3pt and 50% from the field. Jerami is a 6’8” athletic wing, which is the most important position in the NBA. Grant Williams is a PF listed at a generous 6’6”, who lacks athleticism and is averaging 7.8pts and only 3.5rebs in 24mins of play. They are not comparable talents.

This is such a weird hill to die on. Jerami Grant at the same age was a worse player than Grant Williams currently is. His statistical jump came with him being given twice as many shots.

Jerami Grant was averaging 10pts, 5rebs, 1.5blks his second year in the league. Grant Williams was averaging 5pts, 3rebs, 0.4blks. Who cares what each guy did at age 23, let’s look at what they did right before they were due for a new contract. These two  are in no way similar talents. Do you really think Grant Williams is ever going be a 20ppg scorer like Jerami Grant? It’s a ridiculous comparison.

I'm fairly confident that Grant Williams could put up completely worthless stats on a team that won 10 games. Averaging 10/5/1.5 on 42/24/66 shooting on one of the worst teams in history is not impressive at all, and the only ridiculousness is you trying to paint that as some lofty height that Grant would be lucky to reach.

[indeedproceed]

This is such a weird hill to die on. Jerami Grant at the same age was a worse player than Grant Williams currently is. His statistical jump came with him being given twice as many shots.

I don't hate the comparison but this point is problematic to me. A guy who scores well with small volume cannot be expected to keep that efficiency or even near it at a higher volume. It happens of course sometimes but those are the success stories. Efficiency does not automatically scale, and implying it is no mean feat is just not true.

[BruceBanner18]

My question is does Jerami Grant have two first names or does Grant Williams have two last names?

[Kuberski33]

If I'm Grant, I'm eyeing free agency, so it's on Brad to sign him to a deal that keeps him from hitting the open market. I think they sign him and I think its for an amount that will have many here screaming 'overpay'.

I think they'll have to overpay to get him to sign an extension. If I'm him, I want above my current market value or I'll see what someone else is willing to pay. 

He's got a bit of an old man's game, but he's great at it - and now that he can hit the 3, his market value skyrockets. Keep in mind Ime trusted him to guard Giannis man to man for a good part of the game last night, and he did a very good job.  His skill set is one that most teams in the league would want - not as a role player, but as one you build your team around - sixth man or starter level.

If he hits the open market he will get paid - a lot.

[Goldstar88]

If I'm Grant, I'm eyeing free agency, so it's on Brad to sign him to a deal that keeps him from hitting the open market. I think they sign him and I think its for an amount that will have many here screaming 'overpay'.

I think they'll have to overpay to get him to sign an extension. If I'm him, I want above my current market value or I'll see what someone else is willing to pay. 

He's got a bit of an old man's game, but he's great at it - and now that he can hit the 3, his market value skyrockets. Keep in mind Ime trusted him to guard Giannis man to man for a good part of the game last night, and he did a very good job.  His skill set is one that most teams in the league would want - not as a role player, but as one you build your team around - sixth man or starter level.

If he hits the open market he will get paid - a lot.

Marcus Smart thought the same thing when his rookie deal was up. Became a RFA and returned to Boston (4yrs/$50M). No team was willing to give him the money he was looking for And Marcus is/was a much better player than Grant.

[SparzWizard]

If I'm Grant, I'm eyeing free agency, so it's on Brad to sign him to a deal that keeps him from hitting the open market. I think they sign him and I think its for an amount that will have many here screaming 'overpay'.

I think they'll have to overpay to get him to sign an extension. If I'm him, I want above my current market value or I'll see what someone else is willing to pay. 

He's got a bit of an old man's game, but he's great at it - and now that he can hit the 3, his market value skyrockets. Keep in mind Ime trusted him to guard Giannis man to man for a good part of the game last night, and he did a very good job.  His skill set is one that most teams in the league would want - not as a role player, but as one you build your team around - sixth man or starter level.

If he hits the open market he will get paid - a lot.

Well. Brad better pay the man then. A great 3 and D guy, an Ime typa guy. Don't want him going to the Bucks or to any eastern conference rivals nor joining LeBron's crew.

[gouki88]

If I'm Grant, I'm eyeing free agency, so it's on Brad to sign him to a deal that keeps him from hitting the open market. I think they sign him and I think its for an amount that will have many here screaming 'overpay'.

I think they'll have to overpay to get him to sign an extension. If I'm him, I want above my current market value or I'll see what someone else is willing to pay. 

He's got a bit of an old man's game, but he's great at it - and now that he can hit the 3, his market value skyrockets. Keep in mind Ime trusted him to guard Giannis man to man for a good part of the game last night, and he did a very good job.  His skill set is one that most teams in the league would want - not as a role player, but as one you build your team around - sixth man or starter level.

If he hits the open market he will get paid - a lot.

Well. Brad better pay the man then. A great 3 and D guy, an Ime typa guy. Don't want him going to the Bucks or to any eastern conference rivals nor joining LeBron's crew.

I doubt any of those teams will be in a position to overpay Grant