Celts get Derrick White for Richardson, Langford, #1, 2028 pick swap

[gouki88]

 When we win the championship.  Nobody will be complaining about Defense White.

Todd Days will

[slamtheking]

 When we win the championship.  Nobody will be complaining about Defense White.

Todd Days will

and nobody will be saying he led us to that title either whether he gets over the yips or not.

what will likely happen whether we win the title or not is at least one thread with trade proposals to move White for a better player.

after the trade, I thought he was a decent bench piece that would offer a slightly different skillset than Richardson.  I didn't see him as a better player or worse than JRich so was truly befuddled at why we paid so much to acquire him.  I didn't think White was a stiff but he wasn't worth what we gave up.  I could understand JRich and either Romeo or the first just to get the deal done, but certainly not both, not to mention the addition pick swap.

Now, not only do I see that trade as ridiculously lopsided in favor of SA but I really feel that SAS should have been offering us White and a pick swap for just JRich.   White has been a real miss as a trade acquisition.  sure, he offers another ball handler that's adequate and he's a decent passer that makes the smart pass but he can be completely ignored by defenses and his own defense is ok but not the world class level people are suggesting it is.

[gouki88]

 When we win the championship.  Nobody will be complaining about Defense White.

Todd Days will

and nobody will be saying he led us to that title either whether he gets over the yips or not.

what will likely happen whether we win the title or not is at least one thread with trade proposals to move White for a better player.

after the trade, I thought he was a decent bench piece that would offer a slightly different skillset than Richardson.  I didn't see him as a better player or worse than JRich so was truly befuddled at why we paid so much to acquire him.  I didn't think White was a stiff but he wasn't worth what we gave up.  I could understand JRich and either Romeo or the first just to get the deal done, but certainly not both, not to mention the addition pick swap.

Now, not only do I see that trade as ridiculously lopsided in favor of SA but I really feel that SAS should have been offering us White and a pick swap for just JRich.   White has been a real miss as a trade acquisition.  sure, he offers another ball handler that's adequate and he's a decent passer that makes the smart pass but he can be completely ignored by defenses and his own defense is ok but not the world class level people are suggesting it is.

Whatever man. There is clearly no room for compromise from either party in this debate.

[nickagneta]

I can't judge this trade from just a few months of games. The Celtics have him for years. Let's see how people feel a year from now. Let's not forget most on this board, including posters currently hating this deal, we're ready to give up on players like Timelord and Grant Williams, until they weren't.

Patience.

For right now White's shooting isn't costing them team much and everything else he does makes the team better.

[slamtheking]

I can't judge this trade from just a few months of games. The Celtics have him for years. Let's see how people feel a year from now. Let's not forget most on this board, including posters currently hating this deal, we're ready to give up on players like Timelord and Grant Williams, until they weren't.

Patience.

For right now White's shooting isn't costing them team much and everything else he does makes the team better.

and I was not one of those people Nick.  I preached time for the young players to become productive.  GWiill and Timelord have clearly panned out.  I think PP has recovered decently as the year has gone on.  not giving up on Nesmith and I still think Romeo will look really good for SAS next year.  Thing is, White is not a rookie nor on his rookie deal.  He's supposedly in the prime of his career.   I'd love nothing better than to have him play so well that he shows me he was worth more than we paid but I suspect he will not -- especially this year during the playoffs when we could really use another player that could be depended on to score double figures rather than ring up doughnuts.

[slamtheking]

 When we win the championship.  Nobody will be complaining about Defense White.

Todd Days will

and nobody will be saying he led us to that title either whether he gets over the yips or not.

what will likely happen whether we win the title or not is at least one thread with trade proposals to move White for a better player.

after the trade, I thought he was a decent bench piece that would offer a slightly different skillset than Richardson.  I didn't see him as a better player or worse than JRich so was truly befuddled at why we paid so much to acquire him.  I didn't think White was a stiff but he wasn't worth what we gave up.  I could understand JRich and either Romeo or the first just to get the deal done, but certainly not both, not to mention the addition pick swap.

Now, not only do I see that trade as ridiculously lopsided in favor of SA but I really feel that SAS should have been offering us White and a pick swap for just JRich.   White has been a real miss as a trade acquisition.  sure, he offers another ball handler that's adequate and he's a decent passer that makes the smart pass but he can be completely ignored by defenses and his own defense is ok but not the world class level people are suggesting it is.

Whatever man. There is clearly no room for compromise from either party in this debate.

by you? certainly seems like that won't happen.   White's detractors want him to succeed, not fail, because it helps the team.  If White plays better, not even up to the value we gave up, just better, then likely most of his detractors would be more than happy to get that. 

[nickagneta]

I can't judge this trade from just a few months of games. The Celtics have him for years. Let's see how people feel a year from now. Let's not forget most on this board, including posters currently hating this deal, we're ready to give up on players like Timelord and Grant Williams, until they weren't.

Patience.

For right now White's shooting isn't costing them team much and everything else he does makes the team better.

and I was not one of those people Nick.  I preached time for the young players to become productive.  GWiill and Timelord have clearly panned out.  I think PP has recovered decently as the year has gone on.  not giving up on Nesmith and I still think Romeo will look really good for SAS next year.  Thing is, White is not a rookie nor on his rookie deal.  He's supposedly in the prime of his career.   I'd love nothing better than to have him play so well that he shows me he was worth more than we paid but I suspect he will not -- especially this year during the playoffs when we could really use another player that could be depended on to score double figures rather than ring up doughnuts.

Sometimes mid season trades are hard on players as they have to move themselves and family while trying to fit in with a new team. Sometimes players need to adjust. Sometimes some things come later. And, if he is what he is, before this season he was a 35+% three point shooter and an average all around scorer.

Gotta see what he is like next year to get a true idea of how this trade panned out.

[Phantom255x]

White to me is kind of like the Fournier trade last year. He's alright, can do some things well but more often than not doesn't really show up in the big games. Also makes some boneheaded decisions at times which makes you go "huh??"

He's definitely a much better defender and facilitator than Fournier, but we still need him to hit some shots otherwise this could be a really tough series to win.

Can't ignore we also gave up a lot more to acquire him than we did Fournier (particularly the 2028 1st round pick)

[gouki88]

 When we win the championship.  Nobody will be complaining about Defense White.

Todd Days will

and nobody will be saying he led us to that title either whether he gets over the yips or not.

what will likely happen whether we win the title or not is at least one thread with trade proposals to move White for a better player.

after the trade, I thought he was a decent bench piece that would offer a slightly different skillset than Richardson.  I didn't see him as a better player or worse than JRich so was truly befuddled at why we paid so much to acquire him.  I didn't think White was a stiff but he wasn't worth what we gave up.  I could understand JRich and either Romeo or the first just to get the deal done, but certainly not both, not to mention the addition pick swap.

Now, not only do I see that trade as ridiculously lopsided in favor of SA but I really feel that SAS should have been offering us White and a pick swap for just JRich.   White has been a real miss as a trade acquisition.  sure, he offers another ball handler that's adequate and he's a decent passer that makes the smart pass but he can be completely ignored by defenses and his own defense is ok but not the world class level people are suggesting it is.

Whatever man. There is clearly no room for compromise from either party in this debate.

by you? certainly seems like that won't happen.   White's detractors want him to succeed, not fail, because it helps the team.  If White plays better, not even up to the value we gave up, just better, then likely most of his detractors would be more than happy to get that.

You cannot say with a straight face that Todd wants him to succeed. He is taking great joy in his failings

[pokeKingCurtis]

 When we win the championship.  Nobody will be complaining about Defense White.

Todd Days will

and nobody will be saying he led us to that title either whether he gets over the yips or not.

what will likely happen whether we win the title or not is at least one thread with trade proposals to move White for a better player.

after the trade, I thought he was a decent bench piece that would offer a slightly different skillset than Richardson.  I didn't see him as a better player or worse than JRich so was truly befuddled at why we paid so much to acquire him.  I didn't think White was a stiff but he wasn't worth what we gave up.  I could understand JRich and either Romeo or the first just to get the deal done, but certainly not both, not to mention the addition pick swap.

Now, not only do I see that trade as ridiculously lopsided in favor of SA but I really feel that SAS should have been offering us White and a pick swap for just JRich.   White has been a real miss as a trade acquisition.  sure, he offers another ball handler that's adequate and he's a decent passer that makes the smart pass but he can be completely ignored by defenses and his own defense is ok but not the world class level people are suggesting it is.

Whatever man. There is clearly no room for compromise from either party in this debate.

It's the age old debate

On one side "give it some time"
On the other "never!!!"

Eventually one side is gonna be right. Happened with Grant Williams. Fournier I think we had similar debates about. Jaylen Brown too. We had an Avery Bradley poop-o-meter here once, before that probably had the same stuff with Pierce and Rondo.

[gouki88]

 When we win the championship.  Nobody will be complaining about Defense White.

Todd Days will

and nobody will be saying he led us to that title either whether he gets over the yips or not.

what will likely happen whether we win the title or not is at least one thread with trade proposals to move White for a better player.

after the trade, I thought he was a decent bench piece that would offer a slightly different skillset than Richardson.  I didn't see him as a better player or worse than JRich so was truly befuddled at why we paid so much to acquire him.  I didn't think White was a stiff but he wasn't worth what we gave up.  I could understand JRich and either Romeo or the first just to get the deal done, but certainly not both, not to mention the addition pick swap.

Now, not only do I see that trade as ridiculously lopsided in favor of SA but I really feel that SAS should have been offering us White and a pick swap for just JRich.   White has been a real miss as a trade acquisition.  sure, he offers another ball handler that's adequate and he's a decent passer that makes the smart pass but he can be completely ignored by defenses and his own defense is ok but not the world class level people are suggesting it is.

Whatever man. There is clearly no room for compromise from either party in this debate.

It's the age old debate

On one side "give it some time"
On the other "never!!!"

Eventually one side is gonna be right. Happened with Grant Williams. Fournier I think we had similar debates about. Jaylen Brown too. We had an Avery Bradley poop-o-meter here once, before that probably had the same stuff with Pierce and Rondo.

I miss the poop-o-meter

[jambr380]

White to me is kind of like the Fournier trade last year. He's alright, can do some things well but more often than not doesn't really show up in the big games. Also makes some boneheaded decisions at times which makes you go "huh??"

He's definitely a much better defender and facilitator than Fournier, but we still need him to hit some shots otherwise this could be a really tough series to win.

Can't ignore we also gave up a lot more to acquire him than we did Fournier (particularly the 2028 1st round pick)

Yeah, I'm not gonna freak out, mostly because we acquired JRich essentially for free anyway. But it was a lot to give up. I know people like to bust on Fournier and JRich, but in hindsight, either would be better than what White is giving us right now. I will emphasize the 'right now' part of that statement, as I don't think White can play any worse than he is during this playoff run. But that is kind-of a bummer because we absolutely need some level of production from his spot. I will keep pushing for him regardless!

[pokeKingCurtis]

 When we win the championship.  Nobody will be complaining about Defense White.

Todd Days will

and nobody will be saying he led us to that title either whether he gets over the yips or not.

what will likely happen whether we win the title or not is at least one thread with trade proposals to move White for a better player.

after the trade, I thought he was a decent bench piece that would offer a slightly different skillset than Richardson.  I didn't see him as a better player or worse than JRich so was truly befuddled at why we paid so much to acquire him.  I didn't think White was a stiff but he wasn't worth what we gave up.  I could understand JRich and either Romeo or the first just to get the deal done, but certainly not both, not to mention the addition pick swap.

Now, not only do I see that trade as ridiculously lopsided in favor of SA but I really feel that SAS should have been offering us White and a pick swap for just JRich.   White has been a real miss as a trade acquisition.  sure, he offers another ball handler that's adequate and he's a decent passer that makes the smart pass but he can be completely ignored by defenses and his own defense is ok but not the world class level people are suggesting it is.

Whatever man. There is clearly no room for compromise from either party in this debate.

It's the age old debate

On one side "give it some time"
On the other "never!!!"

Eventually one side is gonna be right. Happened with Grant Williams. Fournier I think we had similar debates about. Jaylen Brown too. We had an Avery Bradley poop-o-meter here once, before that probably had the same stuff with Pierce and Rondo.

I miss the poop-o-meter

The lesson here, take it easy and make more poop o meters

[slamtheking]

 When we win the championship.  Nobody will be complaining about Defense White.

Todd Days will

and nobody will be saying he led us to that title either whether he gets over the yips or not.

what will likely happen whether we win the title or not is at least one thread with trade proposals to move White for a better player.

after the trade, I thought he was a decent bench piece that would offer a slightly different skillset than Richardson.  I didn't see him as a better player or worse than JRich so was truly befuddled at why we paid so much to acquire him.  I didn't think White was a stiff but he wasn't worth what we gave up.  I could understand JRich and either Romeo or the first just to get the deal done, but certainly not both, not to mention the addition pick swap.

Now, not only do I see that trade as ridiculously lopsided in favor of SA but I really feel that SAS should have been offering us White and a pick swap for just JRich.   White has been a real miss as a trade acquisition.  sure, he offers another ball handler that's adequate and he's a decent passer that makes the smart pass but he can be completely ignored by defenses and his own defense is ok but not the world class level people are suggesting it is.

Whatever man. There is clearly no room for compromise from either party in this debate.

by you? certainly seems like that won't happen.   White's detractors want him to succeed, not fail, because it helps the team.  If White plays better, not even up to the value we gave up, just better, then likely most of his detractors would be more than happy to get that.

You cannot say with a straight face that Todd wants him to succeed. He is taking great joy in his failings

I cannot disagree that there may be those that are rooting for White to fail.  I'm not.  I'm genuinely frustrated with his ineffective scoring and really want him to succeed

[GreenlyGreeny]

White to me is kind of like the Fournier trade last year. He's alright, can do some things well but more often than not doesn't really show up in the big games. Also makes some boneheaded decisions at times which makes you go "huh??"

He's definitely a much better defender and facilitator than Fournier, but we still need him to hit some shots otherwise this could be a really tough series to win.

Can't ignore we also gave up a lot more to acquire him than we did Fournier (particularly the 2028 1st round pick)

Yeah, I'm not gonna freak out, mostly because we acquired JRich essentially for free anyway. But it was a lot to give up. I know people like to bust on Fournier and JRich, but in hindsight, either would be better than what White is giving us right now. I will emphasize the 'right now' part of that statement, as I don't think White can play any worse than he is during this playoff run. But that is kind-of a bummer because we absolutely need some level of production from his spot. I will keep pushing for him regardless!

Love you Jambr (coolest avatar on the forum), but I strongly disagree. The only thing those two are better at than White is shooting. We just crushed the Bucks with White as our starting PG and our DPOY injured. No way that happens with JRich or Fournier in White’s place. White really does everything quite exceptional for a sixth man other than his shooting, and eventually his shooting  will revert to his career mean and all will be well. We’ve basically got a starting guard who comes off the bench. It’s a tremendous thing. Most every championship team has a starting-caliber sixth man/glue guy like White.

On the plus side, White’s shooting woes may have taken a lot of pressure off Smart, who seems to be shooting better and smarter than ever (possibly because he’s more relaxed knowing he’s no longer our worst backcourt shooter? 🤣