Celts get Derrick White for Richardson, Langford, #1, 2028 pick swap

[Vermont Green]

Once again, White.  He was on the floor for most of the 4th quarter when we made our run.  He took 1 shot in the 4th I believe (and made it).  I admit, I do not fully understand it.  Yes, he plays solid D.  Yes, he seems to get himself to the right places and get the ball to the right places.  No, he doesn't turn the ball over.  But statistically, he really impacts the team in a positive way without really seeming to do much.

I pride myself on being someone who relies more on what I see on the court over what I see in the box score or the advanced stats.  But I don't feel I totally understand all the things that White must be doing to make the team better.  Last game, he also shot efficiently which is easy to see but even when he doesn't shoot efficiently, the team seems to do well.

The trade does feel like an overpay but I am not sure that really matters in the end.  I thought Josh Richardson was going to be a good fit, a nice versatile piece off the bench.  I didn't know much about White, I certainly didn't know he was going to be some kind of voodoo good luck charm.  He was a key to a really big win last night though, you cannot dispute that.  +18, second only to Horford.  I know, the +/- for any given game is not an end all stat but it always seems that the team is in the plus when he plays, whether he makes shots or not.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Once again, White.  He was on the floor for most of the 4th quarter when we made our run.  He took 1 shot in the 4th I believe (and made it).  I admit, I do not fully understand it.  Yes, he plays solid D.  Yes, he seems to get himself to the right places and get the ball to the right places.  No, he doesn't turn the ball over.  But statistically, he really impacts the team in a positive way without really seeming to do much.

I pride myself on being someone who relies more on what I see on the court over what I see in the box score or the advanced stats.  But I don't feel I totally understand all the things that White must be doing to make the team better.  Last game, he also shot efficiently which is easy to see but even when he doesn't shoot efficiently, the team seems to do well.

The trade does feel like an overpay but I am not sure that really matters in the end.  I thought Josh Richardson was going to be a good fit, a nice versatile piece off the bench.  I didn't know much about White, I certainly didn't know he was going to be some kind of voodoo good luck charm.  He was a key to a really big win last night though, you cannot dispute that.  +18, second only to Horford.  I know, the +/- for any given game is not an end all stat but it always seems that the team is in the plus when he plays, whether he makes shots or not.

Dishing out some TPs. I like that 23 pages in we're finally getting to the crux of the issue, well put lol.

[jbpats]

I think White is horrible, and we vastly overpaid for him, but I am starting to buy into the thought he is our teams actual 'Lucky' and if so he is invaluable. It's such a strange situation..

That being said, he might have quiety had his best game as a Celtic last night. Just did a lot of the intangibles really well to keep us in the game.

[Moranis]

I still don't like the idea of the draft pick that far in the future, but what the trade deadline did more than anything was consolidate the rotation into 9 players, 8 of which are at worst + defenders, and the 9th is an excellent shooter who at least tries defensively.  Boston was for the most part healthy the last two months as well, which really helped.  It worked out well this year, but next year, Ime is going to have to play more than 8/9 guys during the season, so Stevens needs to get the bench in order this summer.  I'd also like to get a long term PF/C that can play well with Rob.  Horford only has so many years left (this may really be his last run) and while I like Grant, I think he is best suited as a 6th man long term. 

[td450]

Once again, White.  He was on the floor for most of the 4th quarter when we made our run.  He took 1 shot in the 4th I believe (and made it).  I admit, I do not fully understand it.  Yes, he plays solid D.  Yes, he seems to get himself to the right places and get the ball to the right places.  No, he doesn't turn the ball over.  But statistically, he really impacts the team in a positive way without really seeming to do much.

I pride myself on being someone who relies more on what I see on the court over what I see in the box score or the advanced stats.  But I don't feel I totally understand all the things that White must be doing to make the team better.  Last game, he also shot efficiently which is easy to see but even when he doesn't shoot efficiently, the team seems to do well.

The trade does feel like an overpay but I am not sure that really matters in the end.  I thought Josh Richardson was going to be a good fit, a nice versatile piece off the bench.  I didn't know much about White, I certainly didn't know he was going to be some kind of voodoo good luck charm.  He was a key to a really big win last night though, you cannot dispute that.  +18, second only to Horford.  I know, the +/- for any given game is not an end all stat but it always seems that the team is in the plus when he plays, whether he makes shots or not.

What is so hard to understand? We went with Marcus as the starting point. Trading for Derrick White allowed us to end the little scoring point guard era in Boston. A subtle shift when you look at the two players, but a major shift in team chemistry.

[JohnBoy65]

I don't get it. For 5 years we've been screaming for players that fit with the J's, players that don't demand the ball, players that aren't black holes on offense. Complaints about guys like: Marcus Morris, Kyrie Irving, Terry Rozier, Dennis Schroeder, Kemba Walker, Josh Richardson, and there are probably more I am forgetting.

We all wanted guys that could distribute, be ok with not being an integral part of the offense, is a + defender, and knows his role. Derrick White checks every single one of those boxes. Not every player on a championship contending team is going to get 15-18 ppg on 40/50 splits. We've finally found a guy that fits what we've wanted for a long time, and now it's a bash fast? I don't understand.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

Once again, White.  He was on the floor for most of the 4th quarter when we made our run.  He took 1 shot in the 4th I believe (and made it).  I admit, I do not fully understand it.  Yes, he plays solid D.  Yes, he seems to get himself to the right places and get the ball to the right places.  No, he doesn't turn the ball over.  But statistically, he really impacts the team in a positive way without really seeming to do much.

I pride myself on being someone who relies more on what I see on the court over what I see in the box score or the advanced stats.  But I don't feel I totally understand all the things that White must be doing to make the team better.  Last game, he also shot efficiently which is easy to see but even when he doesn't shoot efficiently, the team seems to do well.

The trade does feel like an overpay but I am not sure that really matters in the end.  I thought Josh Richardson was going to be a good fit, a nice versatile piece off the bench.  I didn't know much about White, I certainly didn't know he was going to be some kind of voodoo good luck charm.  He was a key to a really big win last night though, you cannot dispute that.  +18, second only to Horford.  I know, the +/- for any given game is not an end all stat but it always seems that the team is in the plus when he plays, whether he makes shots or not.

Basketball IQ. There's a reason why Pop and Ime like him.

JRich and Langford didn't impress me. We're built to win now. I don't care about future late 1st rounders (and I think most GMs agree with me).

If White hits more shots, great. He has already helped the Celtics clear up defensive holes. Look at what the Heat did in the playoffs to the Celtics when we had score first guards. We got torched.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I don't get it. For 5 years we've been screaming for players that fit with the J's, players that don't demand the ball, players that aren't black holes on offense. Complaints about guys like: Marcus Morris, Kyrie Irving, Terry Rozier, Dennis Schroeder, Kemba Walker, Josh Richardson, and there are probably more I am forgetting.

We all wanted guys that could distribute, be ok with not being an integral part of the offense, is a + defender, and knows his role. Derrick White checks every single one of those boxes. Not every player on a championship contending team is going to get 15-18 ppg on 40/50 splits. We've finally found a guy that fits what we've wanted for a long time, and now it's a bash fast? I don't understand.

It definitely says more about the commenters than the player.

Go DWhite. Go Celtics!

[slamtheking]

I don't get it. For 5 years we've been screaming for players that fit with the J's, players that don't demand the ball, players that aren't black holes on offense. Complaints about guys like: Marcus Morris, Kyrie Irving, Terry Rozier, Dennis Schroeder, Kemba Walker, Josh Richardson, and there are probably more I am forgetting.

We all wanted guys that could distribute, be ok with not being an integral part of the offense, is a + defender, and knows his role. Derrick White checks every single one of those boxes. Not every player on a championship contending team is going to get 15-18 ppg on 40/50 splits. We've finally found a guy that fits what we've wanted for a long time, and now it's a bash fast? I don't understand.

It definitely says more about the commenters than the player.

Go DWhite. Go Celtics!

for the bolded part, yes, that's what the team needs.  what's missing in that list is the player also needs to be able to score.  not necessarily a 20+ point scorer but someone that can reliably hit open shots and preferably average double digits to help the J's on the offensive end.  Derrick White has not been that player.   

yesterday's game was the performance everyone hoped for - solid D, respectable shooting performance, solid ball handling/passing.  nothing overwhelming or flashy - just got the job done.

[Moranis]

Once again, White.  He was on the floor for most of the 4th quarter when we made our run.  He took 1 shot in the 4th I believe (and made it).  I admit, I do not fully understand it.  Yes, he plays solid D.  Yes, he seems to get himself to the right places and get the ball to the right places.  No, he doesn't turn the ball over.  But statistically, he really impacts the team in a positive way without really seeming to do much.

I pride myself on being someone who relies more on what I see on the court over what I see in the box score or the advanced stats.  But I don't feel I totally understand all the things that White must be doing to make the team better.  Last game, he also shot efficiently which is easy to see but even when he doesn't shoot efficiently, the team seems to do well.

The trade does feel like an overpay but I am not sure that really matters in the end.  I thought Josh Richardson was going to be a good fit, a nice versatile piece off the bench.  I didn't know much about White, I certainly didn't know he was going to be some kind of voodoo good luck charm.  He was a key to a really big win last night though, you cannot dispute that.  +18, second only to Horford.  I know, the +/- for any given game is not an end all stat but it always seems that the team is in the plus when he plays, whether he makes shots or not.

Basketball IQ. There's a reason why Pop and Ime like him.

JRich and Langford didn't impress me. We're built to win now. I don't care about future late 1st rounders (and I think most GMs agree with me).

If White hits more shots, great. He has already helped the Celtics clear up defensive holes. Look at what the Heat did in the playoffs to the Celtics when we had score first guards. We got torched.

That is the question.  What is Boston's draft pick going to be 5 years in the future?  It is all nice to say late 1st rounders don't mean much, but the problem is you have no way of knowing if that pick is in fact going to be a late 1st round pick.  I'm sure the Nets thought they were trading late 1st rounders when they made the KG trade, how'd that work out?  Boston thought it was going to get a top 5 pick from Sacramento, how'd that work out?  Trading the pick this summer, was a no brainer, but that pick swap years in the future could end up very poorly.  Now if Boston can win this series and hopefully win the championship, I think everyone would sign up for that, but Milwaukee very well might win this series and Boston may never actually win a championship, and then in 4 years when Tatum and Brown are gone and the team is terrible it might not even own its draft pick that ends up in the top 5.  Just so much uncertainty, and that is the question.

[Vermont Green]

I don't get it. For 5 years we've been screaming for players that fit with the J's, players that don't demand the ball, players that aren't black holes on offense. Complaints about guys like: Marcus Morris, Kyrie Irving, Terry Rozier, Dennis Schroeder, Kemba Walker, Josh Richardson, and there are probably more I am forgetting.

We all wanted guys that could distribute, be ok with not being an integral part of the offense, is a + defender, and knows his role. Derrick White checks every single one of those boxes. Not every player on a championship contending team is going to get 15-18 ppg on 40/50 splits. We've finally found a guy that fits what we've wanted for a long time, and now it's a bash fast? I don't understand.

This is a good point.  In particular when you consider that White is most directly replacing the minutes Schroder would have been playing.  Schroder is very much the ball in his hands type of PG vs. more of a keep the passing flow going like White.  Keeping the passing flow moving is always going to be better than an over-dribbling PG in my mind but certainly in this case, it is better for Tatum and Brown.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Once again, White.  He was on the floor for most of the 4th quarter when we made our run.  He took 1 shot in the 4th I believe (and made it).  I admit, I do not fully understand it.  Yes, he plays solid D.  Yes, he seems to get himself to the right places and get the ball to the right places.  No, he doesn't turn the ball over.  But statistically, he really impacts the team in a positive way without really seeming to do much.

I pride myself on being someone who relies more on what I see on the court over what I see in the box score or the advanced stats.  But I don't feel I totally understand all the things that White must be doing to make the team better.  Last game, he also shot efficiently which is easy to see but even when he doesn't shoot efficiently, the team seems to do well.

The trade does feel like an overpay but I am not sure that really matters in the end.  I thought Josh Richardson was going to be a good fit, a nice versatile piece off the bench.  I didn't know much about White, I certainly didn't know he was going to be some kind of voodoo good luck charm.  He was a key to a really big win last night though, you cannot dispute that.  +18, second only to Horford.  I know, the +/- for any given game is not an end all stat but it always seems that the team is in the plus when he plays, whether he makes shots or not.

Basketball IQ. There's a reason why Pop and Ime like him.

JRich and Langford didn't impress me. We're built to win now. I don't care about future late 1st rounders (and I think most GMs agree with me).

If White hits more shots, great. He has already helped the Celtics clear up defensive holes. Look at what the Heat did in the playoffs to the Celtics when we had score first guards. We got torched.

That is the question.  What is Boston's draft pick going to be 5 years in the future?  It is all nice to say late 1st rounders don't mean much, but the problem is you have no way of knowing if that pick is in fact going to be a late 1st round pick.  I'm sure the Nets thought they were trading late 1st rounders when they made the KG trade, how'd that work out?  Boston thought it was going to get a top 5 pick from Sacramento, how'd that work out?  Trading the pick this summer, was a no brainer, but that pick swap years in the future could end up very poorly.  Now if Boston can win this series and hopefully win the championship, I think everyone would sign up for that, but Milwaukee very well might win this series and Boston may never actually win a championship, and then in 4 years when Tatum and Brown are gone and the team is terrible it might not even own its draft pick that ends up in the top 5.  Just so much uncertainty, and that is the question.

I mean people were whining about Ainge hoarding picks and Not trading assets

If the Bucks gambling on Jrue Holiday using 3 firsts or whatever was worth it because they have Giannis, then it's well worth betting one pick  on White when you have Tatum/Brown (doesn't really roll off the tongue but there you go)

[Vermont Green]

Once again, White.  He was on the floor for most of the 4th quarter when we made our run.  He took 1 shot in the 4th I believe (and made it).  I admit, I do not fully understand it.  Yes, he plays solid D.  Yes, he seems to get himself to the right places and get the ball to the right places.  No, he doesn't turn the ball over.  But statistically, he really impacts the team in a positive way without really seeming to do much.

I pride myself on being someone who relies more on what I see on the court over what I see in the box score or the advanced stats.  But I don't feel I totally understand all the things that White must be doing to make the team better.  Last game, he also shot efficiently which is easy to see but even when he doesn't shoot efficiently, the team seems to do well.

The trade does feel like an overpay but I am not sure that really matters in the end.  I thought Josh Richardson was going to be a good fit, a nice versatile piece off the bench.  I didn't know much about White, I certainly didn't know he was going to be some kind of voodoo good luck charm.  He was a key to a really big win last night though, you cannot dispute that.  +18, second only to Horford.  I know, the +/- for any given game is not an end all stat but it always seems that the team is in the plus when he plays, whether he makes shots or not.

What is so hard to understand? We went with Marcus as the starting point. Trading for Derrick White allowed us to end the little scoring point guard era in Boston. A subtle shift when you look at the two players, but a major shift in team chemistry.

I think this is a good point, similar to the point made below (actually above).  There were plenty of people who didn't think Marcus could be a point guard, that we needed more of a dribble first, score first PG.  But come on, we have a player who doesn't score, doesn't get assists, rebounds or any of the other traditional stats, but you are not surprised that he is helping the team as much as he is? 

I don't think it is honest to say "what is so hard to understand".  I don't believe anyone who is now saying they saw this coming to the extent it is happening.  What we need is to bring in Derrick White, that is just what this team needs.  Yeah, I heard that from like no one.  Oh, and he is not going to hit any 3s for 3 months but that is OK, he is going to shift team chemistry and make us way better.  What is so hard to understand?  Well, pretty much all of it.

[Vermont Green]

That is the question.  What is Boston's draft pick going to be 5 years in the future?  It is all nice to say late 1st rounders don't mean much, but the problem is you have no way of knowing if that pick is in fact going to be a late 1st round pick.  I'm sure the Nets thought they were trading late 1st rounders when they made the KG trade, how'd that work out?  Boston thought it was going to get a top 5 pick from Sacramento, how'd that work out?  Trading the pick this summer, was a no brainer, but that pick swap years in the future could end up very poorly.  Now if Boston can win this series and hopefully win the championship, I think everyone would sign up for that, but Milwaukee very well might win this series and Boston may never actually win a championship, and then in 4 years when Tatum and Brown are gone and the team is terrible it might not even own its draft pick that ends up in the top 5.  Just so much uncertainty, and that is the question.

I agree and have said many times that this trade felt like an overpay.  It feels less like that after last night's game but still to me, it feel like an overpay.  But this future pick that everyone is fretting over is a pick swap.  For it to end up being really bad, we would have to be in the lottery and SAN would have to be in the top 10 or better.  Yes, it is 5 years in the future so you never know but the chance of both these things happening is very low.  The most likely outcome is we are still better than SAN and the pick swap never happens.  Second most likely outcome is that the two teams have similar places in the standing and any swap of picks is more or less a wash.

I am not worried at all about the swap.  I simply don't expect us to be a lottery team in 5 years.  I am much more worried that whatever voodoo spell White has going to make the team better when he is on the court will somehow come to an end or wear off  .

[nickagneta]

I wonder how people judge this trade next year when White's three point shooting returns to his career average before this year(over 35%) and Richardson returns to the shooter he was the three years before this year(under 35%).