Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22

[ozgod]

How long will it take to sink in? The C's are just not very good.

The C's are not playing well. They're not suddenly going to figure it out and make a deep run in the post season.
It's not happening.

Nonetheless I believe the roster is better on paper than what we're watching on the court.

they’re one of those teams where the whole is less than the sum of the parts. They’ve losing value in synthesis.

[Celtics2021]

How long will it take to sink in? The C's are just not very good.

The C's are not playing well. They're not suddenly going to figure it out and make a deep run in the post season.
It's not happening.

Nonetheless I believe the roster is better on paper than what we're watching on the court.

they’re one of those teams where the whole is less than the sum of the parts. They’ve losing value in synthesis.

While true, they’re also less because their star offensive player has lost his jump shot, so the sum of the parts is reduced.  Tatum’s shot comes back, this team will win more even if everything else stays the same.

[Redz]

I got home around halftime and like a loyal fan, I kept myself off the phone and followed my routine of watching the whole game on DVR.  I didn't finish watching until about an hour after the game was over, and was too annoyed to check here.  So forgive me if something like this was said already.  I have absolutely no insight into the actual mindset and can't read people's thoughts, but it sure seemed to me like Brown was frustrated at being left on the bench for so long while the lead dwindled in the 4th.  When he finally got back in the game he immediately chucked up two really awful 3's early in possessions, and the whole team just got completely deflated. 

I get the mindset behind Ime keeping Grant and Romeo out there for so long (they were both exhibiting effort), but he stuck with them (and Horford) way too long. 

The whole thing is a mess.

Tatum bricking 3 after 3 is totally messed up in the head now over it, but at least he was productive going to the hoop.

Really hard to watch...

And yet I keep watching.

I love Jaylen, but I think I'm finally on board.  If they can foind a good partner, ship him out.

[footey]

Silver linings:

Tatum continues to drive with force and finish or get fouled. He just can’t hit his 3 pointer. The guy is otherwise playing very well.

Romeo and Grant played with a lot of energy and were instrumental in getting us double digit lead in 2nd half. Unfortunately they became too deferential at end of game and we became easy to defend.

[Rosco917]

I caught up with this game at the end of the 3rd C's behind by 4. With a lineup of JT, Al, TL, Romeo and Prichard the Celtics not only took back the lead but stretched it to double digits. Nice! Tatum finally figured-out his 3 wasn't falling, so he began going to the basket, which collapsed the defense and opened up Romeo and PP for clean look 3's, which they hit. The ball was moving well north/south. JT was playing well with his teammates. Al was energized defensively. They looked like an NBA team, moving the opposing defense all around the floor. 

Midway in the 4th... Minus PP, enter Jaylen Brown. Within 20 seconds he fires an off balance 3 that doesn't hit the rim. Four bad shots later, the C's cling to a two point lead. The rest is history. Jaylen STILL misses defensive rotations often. Where is his head at? Was Brown even watching the game from the bench at all? Or was he concerned with his own stats?

The evaluation of him as a freshman coming out of college still comes to mind. "Very athletic, mechanical, not a natural basketball player."

His 22 points 5 rebounds and 5 assists mean nothing now, his inability to feel a basketball game and give a team/game what it needs is troubling. Tatum, while not perfect, plays differently with JB off the floor. He plays with his teammates more.

I'd rather have two players scoring low double figures and having a solid BBIQ than watching Jaylen playing hero ball at exactly the wrong time in a game...again.

Sabonis for Brown even-up in a heartbeat.   

[footey]

I caught up with this game at the end of the 3rd C's behind by 4. With a lineup of JT, Al, TL, Romeo and Prichard the Celtics not only took back the lead but stretched it to double digits. Nice! Tatum finally figured-out his 3 wasn't falling, so he began going to the basket, which collapsed the defense and opened up Romeo and PP for clean look 3's, which they hit. The ball was moving well north/south. JT was playing well with his teammates. Al was energized defensively. They looked like an NBA team, moving the opposing defense all around the floor. 

Midway in the 4th... Minus PP, enter Jaylen Brown. Within 20 seconds he fires an off balance 3 that doesn't hit the rim. Four bad shots later, the C's cling to a two point lead. The rest is history. Jaylen STILL misses defensive rotations often. Where is his head at? Was Brown even watching the game from the bench at all? Or was he concerned with his own stats?

The evaluation of him as a freshman coming out of college still comes to mind. "Very athletic, mechanical, not a natural basketball player."

His 22 points 5 rebounds and 5 assists mean nothing now, his inability to feel a basketball game and give a team/game what it needs is troubling. Tatum, while not perfect, plays differently with JB off the floor. He plays with his teammates more.

I'd rather have two players scoring low double figures and having a solid BBIQ than watching Jaylen playing hero ball at exactly the wrong time in a game...again.

Sabonis for Brown even-up in a heartbeat.

While I had a similar reaction watching the game last night, not sure Brown for Sabonis makes sense. Sabonis and Turner notoriously don't fit, and I doubt Sabonis and Rob Williams fit either.  Sabonis plays inside too much. 

[todd_days_41]

I caught up with this game at the end of the 3rd C's behind by 4. With a lineup of JT, Al, TL, Romeo and Prichard the Celtics not only took back the lead but stretched it to double digits. Nice! Tatum finally figured-out his 3 wasn't falling, so he began going to the basket, which collapsed the defense and opened up Romeo and PP for clean look 3's, which they hit. The ball was moving well north/south. JT was playing well with his teammates. Al was energized defensively. They looked like an NBA team, moving the opposing defense all around the floor. 

Midway in the 4th... Minus PP, enter Jaylen Brown. Within 20 seconds he fires an off balance 3 that doesn't hit the rim. Four bad shots later, the C's cling to a two point lead. The rest is history. Jaylen STILL misses defensive rotations often. Where is his head at? Was Brown even watching the game from the bench at all? Or was he concerned with his own stats?

The evaluation of him as a freshman coming out of college still comes to mind. "Very athletic, mechanical, not a natural basketball player."

His 22 points 5 rebounds and 5 assists mean nothing now, his inability to feel a basketball game and give a team/game what it needs is troubling. Tatum, while not perfect, plays differently with JB off the floor. He plays with his teammates more.

I'd rather have two players scoring low double figures and having a solid BBIQ than watching Jaylen playing hero ball at exactly the wrong time in a game...again.

Sabonis for Brown even-up in a heartbeat.

While I had a similar reaction watching the game last night, not sure Brown for Sabonis makes sense. Sabonis and Turner notoriously don't fit, and I doubt Sabonis and Rob Williams fit either.  Sabonis plays inside too much.

The Cs don’t need Sabonis. They need a POINT GUARD. Like an actual above average starting NBA point guard. Not a bench ball pounder like Schroder. Not a shooting guard who can’t shoot like Smart. And not a bench chucked like Prichard.

A real point guard.

[Billz401]

I love Jaylen, but I think I'm finally on board.  If they can foind a good partner, ship him out.

Im slowly starting to realize that hes the most selfish on the team. For example, charlotte game 2nd possession. We get a turn over and we have Brown and Tatum 2 on 1 on the fast break. Instead of throwing the ball to Tatum for the wide open dunk when the defender commited to him, he put his head down and drove and got fouled for a side out. Simple things like that go a long way. I still love the dude and think he can be great but our guys gotta check the egos at the door.

[showtime]

I love Jaylen, but I think I'm finally on board.  If they can foind a good partner, ship him out.

Im slowly starting to realize that hes the most selfish on the team. For example, charlotte game 2nd possession. We get a turn over and we have Brown and Tatum 2 on 1 on the fast break. Instead of throwing the ball to Tatum for the wide open dunk when the defender commited to him, he put his head down and drove and got fouled for a side out. Simple things like that go a long way. I still love the dude and think he can be great but our guys gotta check the egos at the door.

I was yelling throw the #%@$#ball to Tatum!

[No Nickname]

I caught up with this game at the end of the 3rd C's behind by 4. With a lineup of JT, Al, TL, Romeo and Prichard the Celtics not only took back the lead but stretched it to double digits. Nice! Tatum finally figured-out his 3 wasn't falling, so he began going to the basket, which collapsed the defense and opened up Romeo and PP for clean look 3's, which they hit. The ball was moving well north/south. JT was playing well with his teammates. Al was energized defensively. They looked like an NBA team, moving the opposing defense all around the floor. 

Midway in the 4th... Minus PP, enter Jaylen Brown. Within 20 seconds he fires an off balance 3 that doesn't hit the rim. Four bad shots later, the C's cling to a two point lead. The rest is history. Jaylen STILL misses defensive rotations often. Where is his head at? Was Brown even watching the game from the bench at all? Or was he concerned with his own stats?

The evaluation of him as a freshman coming out of college still comes to mind. "Very athletic, mechanical, not a natural basketball player."

His 22 points 5 rebounds and 5 assists mean nothing now, his inability to feel a basketball game and give a team/game what it needs is troubling. Tatum, while not perfect, plays differently with JB off the floor. He plays with his teammates more.

I'd rather have two players scoring low double figures and having a solid BBIQ than watching Jaylen playing hero ball at exactly the wrong time in a game...again.

Sabonis for Brown even-up in a heartbeat.

While I had a similar reaction watching the game last night, not sure Brown for Sabonis makes sense. Sabonis and Turner notoriously don't fit, and I doubt Sabonis and Rob Williams fit either.  Sabonis plays inside too much.

The Cs don’t need Sabonis. They need a POINT GUARD. Like an actual above average starting NBA point guard. Not a bench ball pounder like Schroder. Not a shooting guard who can’t shoot like Smart. And not a bench chucked like Prichard.

A real point guard.

In terms of who might be available (so many PGs are just not going to be traded) I'd consider:

Jaylen Brown

for

Dejounte Murray
Zach Collins

Collins is a flyer, since he's coming off of some major injuries.  But if he is able to get healthy he could be a nice addition at power forward.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9ftwj3r

[Rosco917]

I just don't want to get greedy and have nothing happen. Jaylen is good but his faults are well known around the NBA.

Jaylen for the right PG is fine with me. Jaylen for Sabonis IMO will work, most players in the NBA can adjust their game. Al isn't going to be around much longer. We'll need an inside presence. Sabonis is smart, he passes very well, his rebounding is top 6 or 7, he scores both in and outside. He's only 25. When Al comes off the books a PG may be a possibility too.

But honestly, I'm more and more realizing the J's don't play well together...it's not going to suddenly change either, Brown is what he is. 

[Who]

The Cs don’t need Sabonis. They need a POINT GUARD. Like an actual above average starting NBA point guard. Not a bench ball pounder like Schroder. Not a shooting guard who can’t shoot like Smart. And not a bench chucked like Prichard.

A real point guard.

In terms of who might be available (so many PGs are just not going to be traded) I'd consider:

Jaylen Brown

for

Dejounte Murray
Zach Collins

Collins is a flyer, since he's coming off of some major injuries.  But if he is able to get healthy he could be a nice addition at power forward.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9ftwj3r

I am open to trading Jaylen for a PG. I just don't feel Dejounte Murray is good enough.

I feel it could improve the team in the short term (immediate sense) but hurt the team's long term objective of winning a title.

I'd rather have Jaylen as a long term piece to build around than Dejounte Murray. As we add more talent to the team I believe Jaylen can better adapt and maintain his impact than Murray can. The reason for this is Murray's bad scoring efficiency. I am too lazy to look up the exact number but I believe it is something like 5% below average TS%. A huge difference. And his high assists numbers will shrink if he is not taking all those shots because he won't have the ball in his hands as much anymore. He'll maintain his defense & rebounding but his offense will shrink. Not just reduce but shrink. His scoring sucks. The only reason he gets to shoot so much is that the Spurs have so little talent on their roster.

The long term objectives of winning a Championship has to take priority over short term needs (balancing roster by getting a true PG).

[hwangjini_1]

I missed the second half of the. I saw the final score and thought "another loss, oh well." But then I looked at the 4th quarter play by play was amazed.

With 7 minutes + left in the game the celtics led by 11. They then FAILED TO SCORE FOR OVER 6 MINUTES!!!!???   

What happened that neither J, nor DS, nor anyone could score a single point?

A recap please.

[Billz401]

I missed the second half of the. I saw the final score and thought "another loss, oh well." But then I looked at the 4th quarter play by play was amazed.

With 7 minutes + left in the game the celtics led by 11. They then FAILED TO SCORE FOR OVER 6 MINUTES!!!!???   

What happened that neither J, nor DS, nor anyone could score a single point?

A recap please.

Against better judgment i finished watching the game on the DVR today. It honestly looked like the celtics had a 15 point lead with 2 minutes left and were just wasting clock til it hit 0. But there was 7 minutes left and it was only a 10 point game but they were passing it side to side with no cutting, no pick and roll, no driving with purpose. Just wasting clock and settling for contested (jaylen brown) jumpers.

[SHAQATTACK]

Glade I made no effort to watch .

Not a fun team to cheer for anymore.