Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22

[SCeltic34]

Huh? How did we lose that? I was looking at the scoreboard and went away for 10 minutes and everything changed.

1) Inability to execute against a zone defense
2) Ineffectual lineup that contributed to #1
3) Lack of substitution to address #1
4) Inability to secure key defensive rebound
5) Boneheaded defensive errors

There's more but that's the gist of it

Teams keep playing zone because they can't shoot - as a result the zone is very effective. Even when they make the right passes - which is about 50% of the time - chances are the shot gets missed.

That is true, but at the same time the C's are doing exactly what the zone defense wants them to do.  Pass the ball helplessly around the perimeter because they don't know how to attack it.  You can generate better shots than what the C's were getting.

[slamtheking]

Brown was a big factor for the loss.  He came in for Payton and everyone stopped making buckets.

he was a dud down the end.  no offense and still making mistakes on when to help on D

[Kiorrik]

Guaranteed that was not the play drawn up.

What was it?

Looked like a simple PnR with Timelord.  Not much else.

I think that's because the initial play broke down the moment JB and TL didn't screen JT's defender off him on the inbounds, and he immediately had to improvise because he had a defender all up in his grill

Yep, this ^^

The camera angle was in tight  so it was hard to see the rest of the floor but Tatum had a guy on him. Nurkic doubled off of TL (who was out at the 3 point line lol). And Tatum attacked the double

I don’t like that it was a 3, but to Tatum’s credit, he pulled the ol’ Michael Jordan push off. He created a lot of space on that shot. But given the time and circumstance, it was still a poor shot imo. Why stepback for a 3? Why not take another dribble and push off then for a mid range J?

That's just on JT.

Yeah the play was already broken so throw the playbook out the window and honestly, that’s when you need your stars to shine. Special players beat the odds and there’s nothing you can do to stop them.

Yup.

Like if the ball at that point is in LeBron's hand, you do not call the game over.

If it's in JT's hands?

Man, that's a rough one.

And for the record, I consider LeBron old and over his prime. By a few years.

[LilRip]

offense started going in the toilet when they started running it through Tatum in the fourth.  walked the ball up, bad passes and bad shots.

This is simply not true. The team also built that lead in the fourth because the team was running it through Tatum

The offense stagnated once Pritchard sat for Brown.

which is when the offense started going through Tatum rather than having PP involved with ball handling and bringing the ball up the floor.

PP was not bringing the ball up or setting guys up. The offense went thru Tatum and the big difference was, guys like Horford and PP would keep it moving (ball and body).

World of difference vs when TL and Brown were out there

[Rosco917]

For a while there - when Pritchard and Romeo were making shots - they actually looked like a decent NBA team for a change.

This ^... which leads me to believe if you add a few solid shooters in place of Brown this team could gel. 

[Ogaju]

I would call for a tank is only I felt that this team has enough in the tank to tank successfully. How many tanks was that?

Trust in Ime

Somebody said he was a bad choice for the Cs, do you disagree?

[CBS_Take a Report]

When does our coach take responsibility for a loss? Honestly?

How about as coaches we need to recognize a 7 min scoring drought and change up the scheme. Why do I feel like Ime has no ability to adjust mid-game??

[SCeltic34]

Guaranteed that was not the play drawn up.

What was it?

Looked like a simple PnR with Timelord.  Not much else.

I think that's because the initial play broke down the moment JB and TL didn't screen JT's defender off him on the inbounds, and he immediately had to improvise because he had a defender all up in his grill

Yep, this ^^

The camera angle was in tight  so it was hard to see the rest of the floor but Tatum had a guy on him. Nurkic doubled off of TL (who was out at the 3 point line lol). And Tatum attacked the double

I don’t like that it was a 3, but to Tatum’s credit, he pulled the ol’ Michael Jordan push off. He created a lot of space on that shot. But given the time and circumstance, it was still a poor shot imo. Why stepback for a 3? Why not take another dribble and push off then for a mid range J?

That's just on JT.

Yeah the play was already broken so throw the playbook out the window and honestly, that’s when you need your stars to shine. Special players beat the odds and there’s nothing you can do to stop them.

Seems like in any case it was meant to safely inbound the ball to Tatum near half court and get him driving to his right hand, regardless if the double screen by Brown and Timelord forced a switch or not.  Even if Tatum caught it in the open he's still quite a bit behind the 3 point line.  Nurkic actually moved his feet pretty well out of the pick and roll. Gotta give him credit.

[Kuberski33]

Huh? How did we lose that? I was looking at the scoreboard and went away for 10 minutes and everything changed.

1) Inability to execute against a zone defense
2) Ineffectual lineup that contributed to #1
3) Lack of substitution to address #1
4) Inability to secure key defensive rebound
5) Boneheaded defensive errors

There's more but that's the gist of it

Teams keep playing zone because they can't shoot - as a result the zone is very effective. Even when they make the right passes - which is about 50% of the time - chances are the shot gets missed.

That is true, but at the same time the C's are doing exactly what the zone defense wants them to do.  Pass the ball helplessly around the perimeter because they don't know how to attack it.  You can generate better shots than what the C's were getting.

You're right about that - they don't know how to attack a zone. Horford does and Grant does - unfortuantely the best passers on this team all play the 4 or 5.

[Somebody]

I would call for a tank is only I felt that this team has enough in the tank to tank successfully. How many tanks was that?

Trust in Ime

Somebody said he was a bad choice for the Cs, do you disagree?

TP

[jpotter33]

Huh? How did we lose that? I was looking at the scoreboard and went away for 10 minutes and everything changed.

1) Inability to execute against a zone defense
2) Ineffectual lineup that contributed to #1
3) Lack of substitution to address #1
4) Inability to secure key defensive rebound
5) Boneheaded defensive errors

There's more but that's the gist of it

Teams keep playing zone because they can't shoot - as a result the zone is very effective. Even when they make the right passes - which is about 50% of the time - chances are the shot gets missed.

Yep this. Have really noticed lately more and more teams playing zone against us just daring us to shoot given how awful we are at it, as well as the fact that getting the ball to the middle to break the zone is like rocket science to this group.

[slamtheking]

For a while there - when Pritchard and Romeo were making shots - they actually looked like a decent NBA team for a change.

This ^... which leads me to believe if you add a few solid shooters in place of to go with Brown this team could gel.

fixed it for you

[Rosco917]

When does our coach take responsibility for a loss? Honestly?

How about as coaches we need to recognize a 7 min scoring drought and change up the scheme. Why do I feel like Ime has no ability to adjust mid-game??

Ime is a rookie coach with growing pains. I can help but feel if this team was ready to really go, he wouldn't be a there.

[Ogaju]

I would call for a tank is only I felt that this team has enough in the tank to tank successfully. How many tanks was that?

Trust in Ime

Somebody said he was a bad choice for the Cs, do you disagree?

TP

I keep telling ‘em you gotta listen to Somebody….TP.

[Rosco917]

For a while there - when Pritchard and Romeo were making shots - they actually looked like a decent NBA team for a change.

This ^... which leads me to believe if you add a few solid shooters in place of to go with Brown this team could gel.

fixed it for you

They don't play well together, it's obvious. I know it's hard to except. If they did... this team wouldn't lose to a bad team, at home, at the end of a road trip.