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Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #540 on: January 21, 2022, 10:33:07 PM »

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Huh? How did we lose that? I was looking at the scoreboard and went away for 10 minutes and everything changed.

1) Inability to execute against a zone defense
2) Ineffectual lineup that contributed to #1
3) Lack of substitution to address #1
4) Inability to secure key defensive rebound
5) Boneheaded defensive errors

There's more but that's the gist of it
Teams keep playing zone because they can't shoot - as a result the zone is very effective. Even when they make the right passes - which is about 50% of the time - chances are the shot gets missed.

Yep this. Have really noticed lately more and more teams playing zone against us just daring us to shoot given how awful we are at it.
In the 4th quarter vs Charlotte the other night, they made the right passes on 4 consecutive trips - and missed the shots every single time. All of the shots were wide open 3's.  The thing is - half the time, the 3's they're taking are contested. It wouldn't shock me if they lead the NBA in contested 3's.  They are just brutal right now.

Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #541 on: January 21, 2022, 10:40:29 PM »

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Tatum was 0-6 from three tonight, has missed his last 20 3pt shots. Something's not right with him.

Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #542 on: January 21, 2022, 10:58:10 PM »

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How long will it take to sink in? The C's are just not very good.

Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #543 on: January 21, 2022, 11:02:51 PM »

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How long will it take to sink in? The C's are just not very good.

It depends on who you are talking to. Some of us needed only 10 games, some said twenty, others just kick the can down the road. It won’t sink in for some until the rookie coach gets three years OJT.

Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #544 on: January 21, 2022, 11:28:19 PM »

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just to throw this salt in the wound for tonight -- starters 3-21 from 3.   just horrific

Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #545 on: January 22, 2022, 12:30:56 AM »

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Tatum is not only soft, but not smart as well. Aaaaargghh.

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Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #546 on: January 22, 2022, 12:44:46 AM »

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Huh? How did we lose that? I was looking at the scoreboard and went away for 10 minutes and everything changed.

1) Inability to execute against a zone defense
2) Ineffectual lineup that contributed to #1
3) Lack of substitution to address #1
4) Inability to secure key defensive rebound
5) Boneheaded defensive errors

There's more but that's the gist of it
Teams keep playing zone because they can't shoot - as a result the zone is very effective. Even when they make the right passes - which is about 50% of the time - chances are the shot gets missed.

Yep this. Have really noticed lately more and more teams playing zone against us just daring us to shoot given how awful we are at it.
In the 4th quarter vs Charlotte the other night, they made the right passes on 4 consecutive trips - and missed the shots every single time. All of the shots were wide open 3's.  The thing is - half the time, the 3's they're taking are contested. It wouldn't shock me if they lead the NBA in contested 3's.  They are just brutal right now.

They average 4.5 3-point attempts per game with a defender within 4 feet, and 30.2 attempts with a defender at least 4 feet away.  Both of these are pretty middle of the pack, but the C’s take more than 6x more open 3s than contested ones, so your frustration at the misses is seeping into your observations.

Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #547 on: January 22, 2022, 12:48:05 AM »

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Tatum is not only soft, but not smart as well. Aaaaargghh.

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Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #548 on: January 22, 2022, 01:00:28 AM »

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as soon as we went up 11 with like 5 minutes to go---we started walking the ball up the court once again--we never learn, Why is Tatum the PG??? BLOW this crap up, we STINK.
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Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #549 on: January 22, 2022, 01:09:35 AM »

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Huh? How did we lose that? I was looking at the scoreboard and went away for 10 minutes and everything changed.

1) Inability to execute against a zone defense
2) Ineffectual lineup that contributed to #1
3) Lack of substitution to address #1
4) Inability to secure key defensive rebound
5) Boneheaded defensive errors

There's more but that's the gist of it
Teams keep playing zone because they can't shoot - as a result the zone is very effective. Even when they make the right passes - which is about 50% of the time - chances are the shot gets missed.

Yep this. Have really noticed lately more and more teams playing zone against us just daring us to shoot given how awful we are at it.
In the 4th quarter vs Charlotte the other night, they made the right passes on 4 consecutive trips - and missed the shots every single time. All of the shots were wide open 3's.  The thing is - half the time, the 3's they're taking are contested. It wouldn't shock me if they lead the NBA in contested 3's.  They are just brutal right now.

They average 4.5 3-point attempts per game with a defender within 4 feet, and 30.2 attempts with a defender at least 4 feet away.  Both of these are pretty middle of the pack, but the C’s take more than 6x more open 3s than contested ones, so your frustration at the misses is seeping into your observations.

To be honest, that's even worse. The fact that we can't even hit the open ones is just a fatal flaw in today's game.

And that really does pair well with the eye test. Tonight, especially early in the game, I thought their ball movement was pretty good, and they were making Portland's D look silly with all of the open shots they were getting. Yet they still couldn't get them knocked down.

Perhaps it really all does come down to primarily needing more shooting and playmaking. Realistically, I'm sure the guys would play more consistently and less tight if they were making more shots and not as futile in that regard.
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Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #550 on: January 22, 2022, 01:19:42 AM »

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Usually I get mad when we blow a game...but my heart hurts watching this once great team, become a team of LOSERS with an idiot coach....Tatum and Brown gonna walk too....the curse of IT....Ainge really screwed us by wasting all of those picks.
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Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #551 on: January 22, 2022, 01:31:02 AM »

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Huh? How did we lose that? I was looking at the scoreboard and went away for 10 minutes and everything changed.

1) Inability to execute against a zone defense
2) Ineffectual lineup that contributed to #1
3) Lack of substitution to address #1
4) Inability to secure key defensive rebound
5) Boneheaded defensive errors

There's more but that's the gist of it
Teams keep playing zone because they can't shoot - as a result the zone is very effective. Even when they make the right passes - which is about 50% of the time - chances are the shot gets missed.

Yep this. Have really noticed lately more and more teams playing zone against us just daring us to shoot given how awful we are at it.
In the 4th quarter vs Charlotte the other night, they made the right passes on 4 consecutive trips - and missed the shots every single time. All of the shots were wide open 3's.  The thing is - half the time, the 3's they're taking are contested. It wouldn't shock me if they lead the NBA in contested 3's.  They are just brutal right now.

They average 4.5 3-point attempts per game with a defender within 4 feet, and 30.2 attempts with a defender at least 4 feet away.  Both of these are pretty middle of the pack, but the C’s take more than 6x more open 3s than contested ones, so your frustration at the misses is seeping into your observations.

To be honest, that's even worse. The fact that we can't even hit the open ones is just a fatal flaw in today's game.

And that really does pair well with the eye test. Tonight, especially early in the game, I thought their ball movement was pretty good, and they were making Portland's D look silly with all of the open shots they were getting. Yet they still couldn't get them knocked down.

Perhaps it really all does come down to primarily needing more shooting and playmaking. Realistically, I'm sure the guys would play more consistently and less tight if they were making more shots and not as futile in that regard.

It’s tough to fathom.  The bench went 8-16 form 3, the starters 3-21.  I can’t imagine Tatum has missed 20 consecutive 3’s in his life going back to elementary school.  He hit that long two to start the second half and I thought for sure he was going to break out of his slump, but nope.

Normally there’s a correlation between FT% and 3P%.  But we’re 2nd in the league in FT% and 24th in 3P%.

Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #552 on: January 22, 2022, 04:52:30 AM »

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Didn't mean to jinx the guys on net rating thread. Man, what a brutal 4th. The numbers keep piling up. Something is off the rails late game.

Re: Trailblazers (18-26) at Celtics (23-23) Game #47 1/21/22
« Reply #553 on: January 22, 2022, 05:22:49 AM »

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just to throw this salt in the wound for tonight -- starters 3-21 from 3.   just horrific

Bench was 8-16(!) Tatum, Brown, and Horford all losing their shot has been brutal.

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« Reply #554 on: January 22, 2022, 06:21:36 AM »

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How long will it take to sink in? The C's are just not very good.

The C's are not playing well. They're not suddenly going to figure it out and make a deep run in the post season.
It's not happening.

Nonetheless I believe the roster is better on paper than what we're watching on the court.