Shams: Celtics Interested In Simmons

[Moranis]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I don't which is why I said presumably.  I haven't distorted a single fact and I'm certainly not the one that has been calling him a faker and liar without any evidence to support that position.  I have no idea if he has mental issues, the extent of them, or if he is faking it.  It is pretty apparent he is done with the Sixers and wants nothing to do with them, and it very well might be that fact that is making it difficult for him to play for them, which is why if he went to a different team he may be able to play.  That doesn't mean he is faking his issues though.  Sometimes when you are just done with an employer, a person, etc, you are just done and there is nothing that can be done to salvage the relationship.  I think that is where Simmons is with the Sixers.  He is just done with them and him being done with them is making it difficult for him to function.  Again I have no idea if that is true, but that is my opinion and it seems to match pretty closely with what has happened.

[celticsclay]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

[Moranis]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers. 

[celticsclay]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers.

I believe That was the second round of fining him. They put his money in an escrow account, we’re taking out money and rich paul investigated with the nba players association whether they could get the money back when he was traded (didn’t fully understand cba). When they learned he wouldn’t get any of the fined money back simmons reported to 76ers and said he wasn’t ready to play mentally and had public support from his teammates. Then he stopped giving updates to the team so they started fining him again.

“Simmons’ side had been dealt a blow the previous week when the NBA and players’ union issued a memo stating a player without a “reasonable excuse” will not be paid for games he does not play. Previously, the collectively bargained league memos had used slightly softer language, like “would not” be paid, which Paul’s agency believed left room to argue Simmons could ask to be paid for the salary he lost if and when he was traded, sources said.”

Simmons reported to team and mentioned mental health issues shortly after this.

He also immediately saw a team doctor once they started finding him again (which is what you are referencing)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32586024/sources-76ers-ben-simmons-changes-course-meets-team-recommended-mental-health-clinician%3fplatform=amp

This has been pretty transparently tied to money. This isn’t to say that he doesn’t have any mental health issues, I believe he has some. But you have to be pretty naive to not notice the financial tie here and understand why this hurts mental health stigma (again this isn’t a unique position I hold).

[Moranis]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers.

I believe That was the second round of fining him. They put his money in an escrow account, we’re taking out money and rich paul investigated with the nba players association whether they could get the money back when he was traded (didn’t fully understand cba). When they learned he wouldn’t get any of the fined money back simmons reported to 76ers and said he wasn’t ready to play mentally and had public support from his teammates. Then he stopped giving updates to the team so they started fining him again.

“Simmons’ side had been dealt a blow the previous week when the NBA and players’ union issued a memo stating a player without a “reasonable excuse” will not be paid for games he does not play. Previously, the collectively bargained league memos had used slightly softer language, like “would not” be paid, which Paul’s agency believed left room to argue Simmons could ask to be paid for the salary he lost if and when he was traded, sources said.”

Simmons reported to team and mentioned mental health issues shortly after this.

He has made it clear from the beginning he is done with the Sixers and had no intention of playing for them again.  If you are mentally done with a team, you may not ever be mentally able to play for them. 

[celticsclay]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers.

I believe That was the second round of fining him. They put his money in an escrow account, we’re taking out money and rich paul investigated with the nba players association whether they could get the money back when he was traded (didn’t fully understand cba). When they learned he wouldn’t get any of the fined money back simmons reported to 76ers and said he wasn’t ready to play mentally and had public support from his teammates. Then he stopped giving updates to the team so they started fining him again.

“Simmons’ side had been dealt a blow the previous week when the NBA and players’ union issued a memo stating a player without a “reasonable excuse” will not be paid for games he does not play. Previously, the collectively bargained league memos had used slightly softer language, like “would not” be paid, which Paul’s agency believed left room to argue Simmons could ask to be paid for the salary he lost if and when he was traded, sources said.”

Simmons reported to team and mentioned mental health issues shortly after this.

He has made it clear from the beginning he is done with the Sixers and had no intention of playing for them again.  If you are mentally done with a team, you may not ever be mentally able to play for them.

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong about the fines? I’ll take it.

[Moranis]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers.

I believe That was the second round of fining him. They put his money in an escrow account, we’re taking out money and rich paul investigated with the nba players association whether they could get the money back when he was traded (didn’t fully understand cba). When they learned he wouldn’t get any of the fined money back simmons reported to 76ers and said he wasn’t ready to play mentally and had public support from his teammates. Then he stopped giving updates to the team so they started fining him again.

“Simmons’ side had been dealt a blow the previous week when the NBA and players’ union issued a memo stating a player without a “reasonable excuse” will not be paid for games he does not play. Previously, the collectively bargained league memos had used slightly softer language, like “would not” be paid, which Paul’s agency believed left room to argue Simmons could ask to be paid for the salary he lost if and when he was traded, sources said.”

Simmons reported to team and mentioned mental health issues shortly after this.

He has made it clear from the beginning he is done with the Sixers and had no intention of playing for them again.  If you are mentally done with a team, you may not ever be mentally able to play for them.

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong about the fines? I’ll take it.

No.  I'm saying he was always not mentally prepared for the Sixers, but he didn't have to say anything until he actually reported. 

[celticsclay]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers.

I believe That was the second round of fining him. They put his money in an escrow account, we’re taking out money and rich paul investigated with the nba players association whether they could get the money back when he was traded (didn’t fully understand cba). When they learned he wouldn’t get any of the fined money back simmons reported to 76ers and said he wasn’t ready to play mentally and had public support from his teammates. Then he stopped giving updates to the team so they started fining him again.

“Simmons’ side had been dealt a blow the previous week when the NBA and players’ union issued a memo stating a player without a “reasonable excuse” will not be paid for games he does not play. Previously, the collectively bargained league memos had used slightly softer language, like “would not” be paid, which Paul’s agency believed left room to argue Simmons could ask to be paid for the salary he lost if and when he was traded, sources said.”

Simmons reported to team and mentioned mental health issues shortly after this.

He has made it clear from the beginning he is done with the Sixers and had no intention of playing for them again.  If you are mentally done with a team, you may not ever be mentally able to play for them.

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong about the fines? I’ll take it.

No.  I'm saying he was always not mentally prepared for the Sixers, but he didn't have to say anything until he actually reported.

Oh darn you were going to get some respect from me if that was the case. What you said was clearly inaccurate. But I guess we carry on.

[Moranis]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers.

I believe That was the second round of fining him. They put his money in an escrow account, we’re taking out money and rich paul investigated with the nba players association whether they could get the money back when he was traded (didn’t fully understand cba). When they learned he wouldn’t get any of the fined money back simmons reported to 76ers and said he wasn’t ready to play mentally and had public support from his teammates. Then he stopped giving updates to the team so they started fining him again.

“Simmons’ side had been dealt a blow the previous week when the NBA and players’ union issued a memo stating a player without a “reasonable excuse” will not be paid for games he does not play. Previously, the collectively bargained league memos had used slightly softer language, like “would not” be paid, which Paul’s agency believed left room to argue Simmons could ask to be paid for the salary he lost if and when he was traded, sources said.”

Simmons reported to team and mentioned mental health issues shortly after this.

He has made it clear from the beginning he is done with the Sixers and had no intention of playing for them again.  If you are mentally done with a team, you may not ever be mentally able to play for them.

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong about the fines? I’ll take it.

No.  I'm saying he was always not mentally prepared for the Sixers, but he didn't have to say anything until he actually reported.

Oh darn you were going to get some respect from me if that was the case. What you said was clearly inaccurate. But I guess we carry on.

What did I say that was inaccurate?

[celticsclay]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers.

I believe That was the second round of fining him. They put his money in an escrow account, we’re taking out money and rich paul investigated with the nba players association whether they could get the money back when he was traded (didn’t fully understand cba). When they learned he wouldn’t get any of the fined money back simmons reported to 76ers and said he wasn’t ready to play mentally and had public support from his teammates. Then he stopped giving updates to the team so they started fining him again.

“Simmons’ side had been dealt a blow the previous week when the NBA and players’ union issued a memo stating a player without a “reasonable excuse” will not be paid for games he does not play. Previously, the collectively bargained league memos had used slightly softer language, like “would not” be paid, which Paul’s agency believed left room to argue Simmons could ask to be paid for the salary he lost if and when he was traded, sources said.”

Simmons reported to team and mentioned mental health issues shortly after this.

He has made it clear from the beginning he is done with the Sixers and had no intention of playing for them again.  If you are mentally done with a team, you may not ever be mentally able to play for them.

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong about the fines? I’ll take it.

No.  I'm saying he was always not mentally prepared for the Sixers, but he didn't have to say anything until he actually reported.

Oh darn you were going to get some respect from me if that was the case. What you said was clearly inaccurate. But I guess we carry on.

What did I say that was inaccurate?

You are smart enough to figure this out man. I’m gonna be like Nick and see my way out. Your embarrassing yourself at this point.

[gouki88]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

Both Draymond and AI can shoot from outside though

That's the least of what they bring to the table.

Of course, but it's Simmons shooting that causes a lot of his issues and makes it hard to keep him on the floor at times.

While I definitely agree with you, and have long maintained the distinction between poor shooters and Simmons, because he just doesn't shoot, he can definitely fill the role of defensive do-it-all player who on offence acts to drive and facilitate, little else.

[Moranis]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers.

I believe That was the second round of fining him. They put his money in an escrow account, we’re taking out money and rich paul investigated with the nba players association whether they could get the money back when he was traded (didn’t fully understand cba). When they learned he wouldn’t get any of the fined money back simmons reported to 76ers and said he wasn’t ready to play mentally and had public support from his teammates. Then he stopped giving updates to the team so they started fining him again.

“Simmons’ side had been dealt a blow the previous week when the NBA and players’ union issued a memo stating a player without a “reasonable excuse” will not be paid for games he does not play. Previously, the collectively bargained league memos had used slightly softer language, like “would not” be paid, which Paul’s agency believed left room to argue Simmons could ask to be paid for the salary he lost if and when he was traded, sources said.”

Simmons reported to team and mentioned mental health issues shortly after this.

He has made it clear from the beginning he is done with the Sixers and had no intention of playing for them again.  If you are mentally done with a team, you may not ever be mentally able to play for them.

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong about the fines? I’ll take it.

No.  I'm saying he was always not mentally prepared for the Sixers, but he didn't have to say anything until he actually reported.

Oh darn you were going to get some respect from me if that was the case. What you said was clearly inaccurate. But I guess we carry on.

What did I say that was inaccurate?

You are smart enough to figure this out man. I’m gonna be like Nick and see my way out. Your embarrassing yourself at this point.

Got it.  So you realize I said nothing inaccurate and then try to save face.  Sounds good.

[celticsclay]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers.

I believe That was the second round of fining him. They put his money in an escrow account, we’re taking out money and rich paul investigated with the nba players association whether they could get the money back when he was traded (didn’t fully understand cba). When they learned he wouldn’t get any of the fined money back simmons reported to 76ers and said he wasn’t ready to play mentally and had public support from his teammates. Then he stopped giving updates to the team so they started fining him again.

“Simmons’ side had been dealt a blow the previous week when the NBA and players’ union issued a memo stating a player without a “reasonable excuse” will not be paid for games he does not play. Previously, the collectively bargained league memos had used slightly softer language, like “would not” be paid, which Paul’s agency believed left room to argue Simmons could ask to be paid for the salary he lost if and when he was traded, sources said.”

Simmons reported to team and mentioned mental health issues shortly after this.

He has made it clear from the beginning he is done with the Sixers and had no intention of playing for them again.  If you are mentally done with a team, you may not ever be mentally able to play for them.

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong about the fines? I’ll take it.

No.  I'm saying he was always not mentally prepared for the Sixers, but he didn't have to say anything until he actually reported.

Oh darn you were going to get some respect from me if that was the case. What you said was clearly inaccurate. But I guess we carry on.

What did I say that was inaccurate?

You are smart enough to figure this out man. I’m gonna be like Nick and see my way out. Your embarrassing yourself at this point.

Got it.  So you realize I said nothing inaccurate and then try to save face.  Sounds good.

You literally had the timing of the fines wrong. You are comparing Simmons to a domestic abuse survivor. I don’t get what is wrong with you. As another poster put it this is getting creepy.

[Moranis]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers.

I believe That was the second round of fining him. They put his money in an escrow account, we’re taking out money and rich paul investigated with the nba players association whether they could get the money back when he was traded (didn’t fully understand cba). When they learned he wouldn’t get any of the fined money back simmons reported to 76ers and said he wasn’t ready to play mentally and had public support from his teammates. Then he stopped giving updates to the team so they started fining him again.

“Simmons’ side had been dealt a blow the previous week when the NBA and players’ union issued a memo stating a player without a “reasonable excuse” will not be paid for games he does not play. Previously, the collectively bargained league memos had used slightly softer language, like “would not” be paid, which Paul’s agency believed left room to argue Simmons could ask to be paid for the salary he lost if and when he was traded, sources said.”

Simmons reported to team and mentioned mental health issues shortly after this.

He has made it clear from the beginning he is done with the Sixers and had no intention of playing for them again.  If you are mentally done with a team, you may not ever be mentally able to play for them.

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong about the fines? I’ll take it.

No.  I'm saying he was always not mentally prepared for the Sixers, but he didn't have to say anything until he actually reported.

Oh darn you were going to get some respect from me if that was the case. What you said was clearly inaccurate. But I guess we carry on.

What did I say that was inaccurate?

You are smart enough to figure this out man. I’m gonna be like Nick and see my way out. Your embarrassing yourself at this point.

Got it.  So you realize I said nothing inaccurate and then try to save face.  Sounds good.

You literally had the timing of the fines wrong. You are comparing Simmons to a domestic abuse survivor. I don’t get what is wrong with you. As another poster put it this is getting creepy.

I absolutely did not have the timing of the fines wrong.

Simmons fails to report saying he doesn't want to play in Philly anymore
Sixers fine him
Simmons eventually reports, and says he is not mentally ready to play
Simmons gets treatment
Simmons doesn't share treatment with Sixers
Sixers fine him for not meeting with their doctor or sharing his treatment


That is the timeline, which matches pretty much exactly what I said, and was not at all what you said.  You said

I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him

.  That isn't correct at all and that is what I called you on.  Simmons wasn't being fined when he mentioned he was having mental health issues.  So you flat out lied about a fact, for you to then say I was being inaccurate just isn't borne in reality.  The only one of us talking about inaccurate facts is you.

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I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

I think he could eventually be good on another team, although I have questioned how much he wants to play basketball a bit lately. I just don’t think we should go the top in how we discuss it and use domestic abuse survivors as comparable to what simmons has been through. I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him and he had previously given 6-7 other reasons he wouldn’t show up. This isn’t a unique position I hold on this, just about every major publication has made mention the league is watching this and it will be an issue in the new cba.

He brought up the mental health issues long before the Sixers fined him.  The Sixers fined him because he wasn't going to the Sixers doctor or sharing his records from the NBAPA doctor with the Sixers.

I believe That was the second round of fining him. They put his money in an escrow account, we’re taking out money and rich paul investigated with the nba players association whether they could get the money back when he was traded (didn’t fully understand cba). When they learned he wouldn’t get any of the fined money back simmons reported to 76ers and said he wasn’t ready to play mentally and had public support from his teammates. Then he stopped giving updates to the team so they started fining him again.

“Simmons’ side had been dealt a blow the previous week when the NBA and players’ union issued a memo stating a player without a “reasonable excuse” will not be paid for games he does not play. Previously, the collectively bargained league memos had used slightly softer language, like “would not” be paid, which Paul’s agency believed left room to argue Simmons could ask to be paid for the salary he lost if and when he was traded, sources said.”

Simmons reported to team and mentioned mental health issues shortly after this.

He has made it clear from the beginning he is done with the Sixers and had no intention of playing for them again.  If you are mentally done with a team, you may not ever be mentally able to play for them.

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong about the fines? I’ll take it.

No.  I'm saying he was always not mentally prepared for the Sixers, but he didn't have to say anything until he actually reported.

Oh darn you were going to get some respect from me if that was the case. What you said was clearly inaccurate. But I guess we carry on.

What did I say that was inaccurate?

You are smart enough to figure this out man. I’m gonna be like Nick and see my way out. Your embarrassing yourself at this point.

Got it.  So you realize I said nothing inaccurate and then try to save face.  Sounds good.

You literally had the timing of the fines wrong. You are comparing Simmons to a domestic abuse survivor. I don’t get what is wrong with you. As another poster put it this is getting creepy.

I absolutely did not have the timing of the fines wrong.

Simmons fails to report saying he doesn't want to play in Philly anymore
Sixers fine him
Simmons eventually reports, and says he is not mentally ready to play
Sixers stop fining him
Simmons gets treatment
Simmons doesn't share treatment with Sixers
Sixers fine him for not meeting with their doctor or sharing his treatment


That is the timeline, which matches pretty much exactly what I said, and was not at all what you said.  You said

I do think it is also pretty clear some of the mental health claims are just tied to money because we can’t ignore they keep getting brought up whenever the 76ers fine him

.  That isn't correct at all and that is what I called you on.  Simmons wasn't being fined when he mentioned he was having mental health issues.  So you flat out lied about a fact, for you to then say I was being inaccurate just isn't borne in reality.  The only one of us talking about inaccurate facts is you.

You almost it had pal. But very close. Fixed it for you. You only referenced the second round of fining originally. Was inaccurate and not borne in reality.