Shams: Celtics Interested In Simmons

[Phantom255x]

My issue with the whole Simmons thing is that, it doesn't really seem like he's hiding the fact that he really wants to get paid and also avoid the Sixers organization as much as possible even though he's a contracted member there.

I want to be clear, this isn't me stating as a fact that Simmons doesn't have any mental health problems, and I'm happy he's seeking out help.

But like, it does seem a bit convenient that every time the Sixers do something like fine him, you then hear from Simmons camp and Rich Paul the "updates" that you never hear when the Sixers weren't fining him. The kind of updates that allow them to not get fined when Simmons misses a game or something else. And it's happened multiple times over the past month.

The whole thing looks like a mess from the outside but honestly I don't see any way in hell Simmons can salvage anything with PHI at this point. He's probably the most hated athlete there right now. Even his teammates are taking the high road when doing interviews but at the same time, you hear some of their players quoted saying they are "having fun" and "playing together" and I think those are also subtle shots at Simmons.

Yeah I really don’t think anyone should be on the side of what simmons and paul are doing here. It is really making a mockery of mental health issues and also very bad for the league.

Exactly. I work in healthcare myself and understand the importance of mental health and seeking out the necessary help. I'm also happy we're seeing more awareness about this in recent years and I was happy to see AJ Brown (Titans Receiver) speak out about it the other day

But idk how anyone can look at all that's transpired and not think this isn't a mockery of mental health issues. I mean, the Sixers organization doesn't even seem to think his issues are that serious. I can't imagine an NBA organization would be fining him AND speaking out a ton about Simmons if they really wanted to help the player, and likewise even Simmons' camp keeps retaliating too.

I mean, I'd think both sides would work out the issue together AND stay mum about it for the betterment of the player IF Simmons really is dealing with this. Yet all there's been is back-and-forth between Simmons' camp and the Sixers FO.

Seems weird.

And again, Simmons REALLY wants to get paid it seems. Every time there's a fine put on by the Sixers you literally hear within 24-hours some quotes or reporting about Simmons being upset about it and also, them doing something to ensure he doesn't get fined again for that same loophole. They really aren't hiding it.

[Moranis]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

I'll try one more time, then give up.

What you are arguing is only valid if what the 76ers are doing is uniquely "toxic" within the NBA. And, if that's true, the behavior of none of the parties appears to make any sense.

Are any of his teammates supporting the notion of a toxic environment on the 76ers?

Doc has been accused of being an old school values coach. I've never heard of him described as a toxic guy. He's been called a players coach. He coached here, and we know him. He's an ethical guy.

Does the team act like its vulnerable to this? In this environment such a charge could be trouble.

Does the Simmons camp act like they have anything tangible on the team?

He may feel unsettled by the team. It may feel better for a little while to go somewhere else. But it won't mean he's OK or won't fail as soon as the normal stuff starts to add up again.

These issues are unique. Just because they may not affect someone else doesn't mean they don't affect him.  So the environment may not be toxic to Embiid, but might very well be toxic to Simmons.  Neither of us knows what is going on behind the scenes to know what is actually going on and I'm not pretending to know.  I have no idea if Simmons is faking it or the Sixers are significantly contributing to his mental issues or he just has mental issues that will remain no matter what team he is.  But I'm also not claiming I know nor calling him a liar and what not.

As for your assessment of Doc, I disagree entirely.  Doc is about as 2-faced as they come and I felt that way long before he left for the Clippers (you can see my posts on it).  He constantly says 1 thing to the media and does the complete opposite.  He smiles to your face and then stabs you in the back.  I cannot stand Doc and would hate playing for him.  So if he basically stabs Simmons in the back to the media, I can only imagine what it must be like in the facility.  I'd absolutely want out if I was Simmons. 

[nickagneta]

Could you argue Noel, Okafor, Wroten, MCW, etc. all experienced a level of toxic work environment that impacted their careers and earnings?

I can tell you with absolute certainty, with inside knowledge, that Nerlens issues were self inflicted and had nothing to do with the Philadelphia franchise

Via 76ers Reddit:

Posted this in another thread, but funny story In 2016 I worked for a company who did detailing work for the Sixers players cars. I got Nerlen’s black Range Rover to detail. There was at least a ziplock bag full of weed crumbs under the drivers seat and all over the floor. he also had a special laminated index card sized piece of paper with step by step instructions on what to do, and who to call if stopped by police. Number one on the list was, “inform the officer you play for the 76ers” LOL. edit:guess I was wrong “inform you are a 76ers player” is number 3 on the list.

Yeah, he smoked. My guess is over 60% of NBA players do. Big deal. And, if anything that shows, a self inflicted issue not a toxic workplace issue.

I won't go into details, but the self inflicted part had almost everything to do with the people he surrounded himself with and his maturity level.

Nerlens is a good kid. Always has been. Comes from a good family. But he has also always been a follower, not a leader, and the people he followed until he got to OKC were complete scum.

Sorry, I thought I elaborated on the post.

No, what I was trying to get at, is Nerlens Noel was obviously very immature. Yes, it’s common to smoke weed, but given he most likely knew his car was being cleaned, why would you casually leave incriminating evidence everywhere?

I like others blame ‘The Process’ for not providing mentors and the right structured environment for their young talent. The perfect example is Rob Williams. If he’s in the same situation as Noel, how would he turn out?

Again, the issue wasn't Philly. Nerlens was my neighbor. My son was friends with him and some of his boys he surrounded himself with through his time in Philly.

So please, just stop with that line of logic. It simply isn't true with him.

[gouki88]

Or Philly is a toxic work environment for him and that is what he is struggling with and when he gets out of the toxic environment those issues and concerns are alleviated.  We see this all of the time with employees that are sexually harassed and can't function well in the environment they were in, whereas they get transferred or the harasser gets terminated and their outlook improves significantly (and I'm not comparing a person that was sexually harassed with Simmons just showing how your actual environment can significantly contribute to your mental well being).  So Simmons very well might have mental health issues associated with being with the Sixers that once he is no longer on the Sixers alleviate themselves.

What have the Sixers done to make the environment "toxic" for Simmons and not toxic for any other players?  I agree with the that the environment can be an issue in a general sense but I am not sure I see it here.  I think the fundamental issue for Simmons is dealing with pressure.  Again, the FT example.  That kind of singular action by him is where he has the most trouble.

well publicly selling your player out and then not defending him as the media crushes him for months is not exactly creating a warm and fuzzy place to play.

That cannot seriously classify as a toxic work environment in professional team sports.

[nickagneta]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

[celticsclay]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

I'll try one more time, then give up.

What you are arguing is only valid if what the 76ers are doing is uniquely "toxic" within the NBA. And, if that's true, the behavior of none of the parties appears to make any sense.

Are any of his teammates supporting the notion of a toxic environment on the 76ers?

Doc has been accused of being an old school values coach. I've never heard of him described as a toxic guy. He's been called a players coach. He coached here, and we know him. He's an ethical guy.

Does the team act like its vulnerable to this? In this environment such a charge could be trouble.

Does the Simmons camp act like they have anything tangible on the team?

He may feel unsettled by the team. It may feel better for a little while to go somewhere else. But it won't mean he's OK or won't fail as soon as the normal stuff starts to add up again.

These issues are unique. Just because they may not affect someone else doesn't mean they don't affect him.  So the environment may not be toxic to Embiid, but might very well be toxic to Simmons.  Neither of us knows what is going on behind the scenes to know what is actually going on and I'm not pretending to know.  I have no idea if Simmons is faking it or the Sixers are significantly contributing to his mental issues or he just has mental issues that will remain no matter what team he is.  But I'm also not claiming I know nor calling him a liar and what not.

As for your assessment of Doc, I disagree entirely.  Doc is about as 2-faced as they come and I felt that way long before he left for the Clippers (you can see my posts on it).  He constantly says 1 thing to the media and does the complete opposite.  He smiles to your face and then stabs you in the back.  I cannot stand Doc and would hate playing for him.  So if he basically stabs Simmons in the back to the media, I can only imagine what it must be like in the facility.  I'd absolutely want out if I was Simmons.

Jeez man you got to be one of the only people in world thinking simmons and paul are not making a mockery of mental health. Interesting Hill to die on and a good example of when trying to be contrarian goes wrong.

[celticsclay]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

Yeah to be honest his take is fairly offensive. Women that experience trauma or abuse are not magically signicantlu Better when they leave an abusive relationship. A long term girlfriend of mine had previously been in a bad situation. There is PTSD and a whole Lot of other issues that linger. The take is embarrassing and offensive. Getting way out of line to defend simmons/paul here.

[Moranis]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

[celticsclay]

I think we should be pretty careful how we talk about some of this stuff. Comparing Simmons to a domestic abuse or sexual assault survivor is getting into weird territory. Talking about how much better domestic abuse victims or sexual assault victims get when they get out of a relationship and into a new one is both ill informed and offensive. Ive been on this board since the beginning and I am really scratching my head that this thread has gone in this direction and is kind of unlike anything i have seen in my time here. Simmons has not been physically or sexually assaulted by the 76ers and i have worked in the field of domestic abuse and it really pretty screwed up to compare it to that. This is not a good look for the forum.

[GreenlyGreeny]

I think we should be pretty careful how we talk about some of this stuff. Comparing Simmons to a domestic abuse or sexual assault survivor is getting into weird territory. Talking about how much better domestic abuse victims or sexual assault victims get when they get out of a relationship and into a new one is both ill informed and offensive. Ive been on this board since the beginning and I am really scratching my head that this thread has gone in this direction and is kind of unlike anything i have seen in my time here. Simmons has not been physically or sexually assaulted by the 76ers and i have worked in the field of domestic abuse and it really pretty screwed up to compare it to that. This is not a good look for the forum.

Agree 100%. Well said. You know a thread is truly bizarre when the guy who comes up with some of the most bizarre trade ideas says the thread is bizarre.

[blink]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

[hpantazo]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

Both Draymond and AI can shoot from outside though

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

Both Draymond and AI can shoot from outside though

That's the least of what they bring to the table.

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I have social anxiety issues, but they are under control now and have been for a while through therapy and medication.

If Simmons issues are due to the anxiety if returning to an environment where he needs to face certain people, I can understand that.

But....

Those anxiety issues will not magically disappear right away, even if he changes teams. That's not how the crippling effects of anxiety work, especially if he isn't addressing the issue with some combination of therapy and medication.

That he is healthy enough to go to the Philly facilities and put in some practice work with some people there, tells me a bunch of this might be performance anxiety and not social anxiety. And again, he would still need to perform wherever he was traded to, so that won't be some magical panacea to getting back onto the court.

If Simmons is traded and immediately is playing, I am calling bunk on his mental illness. Anxiety that causes you to not be able to work doesn't disappear immediately just from changing workplaces. That simply is not the way any mental illness works. You don't just, coining a popular stigmatic phrase associated with mental illness, "snap out of it".

and yet we pretty consistently see people who are physically, mentally, or sexually harassed get significantly better and function much better when they (or their abuser) are removed from the environment.  I have no idea what has happened between Simmons and the Sixers, but it isn't a crazy thought to think that if the Sixers are causing or significantly contributing to his issues that when he is no longer on the Sixers a lot of his issues will alleviate.  That doesn't mean he will be 100%, but it might mean he can actually play.  I also have no idea if he is just making this up, but he is apparently getting help from mental health professionals from the player's association and now the Sixers themselves.  Those doctors are presumably in a position to diagnose and treat him.

Completely disagree with your assessment of abused people getting significantly better by simply being removed from the abuser. Seems like you really have no idea what you are saying with such a statement. None whatsoever. So I will just bow out here. No need to argue with you when you don't know what you are talking about.

I've seen first hand many times people significantly improve their own well being when their environment changes when it is the environment that is causing many of the issues.  I never said they were 100% better or anything like that.  Of course Simmons isn't being abused in that sort of manner either.  His issues presumably stem from the Sixers and how they've treated him so removing him from that environment very easily could allow him to play whereas staying in Philly he may not be able to.  And that doesn't mean he is faking it.

How do you know the bolded?  There is as much public evidence that 'his issues' stem completely from himself.  I don't get your over the top love for Ben Simmons.  I don't get you distorting the facts to be some kind of Ben Simmons apologist.  It is kind of creepy.

I'm with Moranis on this. He's an elite talent and the Sixers organization sucks.

People will see. He will likely end up playing for someone and be very, very good doing it. He's perfect for an elite Andre Igoudale/Draymond Green type role on that Warriors team that won the championship. But the Sixers want him to be Giannis instead.

Both Draymond and AI can shoot from outside though

That's the least of what they bring to the table.

Of course, but it's Simmons shooting that causes a lot of his issues and makes it hard to keep him on the floor at times.