NBA Season 2021-22

[Moranis]

Chris Paul is a better more impactful player than anyone on those Hawks teams, but Chris Paul is also not a top 5 can't miss type player.

I know we have a thread comparing the C's to the 04 Pistons, but it is really the Suns.  Like Chris Paul, Ben Wallace had a tremendous impact to his team's success.  Obviously not the scorer of Paul, but Big Ben was such a force defensively and on the glass, he could alter a game.  The Pistons had some excellent all around players like Billups, Hamilton, and Sheed (similar to Booker, Bridges, Ayton) and then a lot of depth i.e. Prince, Okur, Willimson, Hunter, and then vets like Campbell, James, and Ham which I'd equate fairly well (at least from a talent standpoint) to Johnson, Payne, Crowder, Shamet and then vets like McGee, Craig, Biyombo. 

The Pistons went from out of the playoffs in 01 to ECS, ECF, and then winning in 04, then back to the finals in 05, and then 3 straight years of ECF.  Their championship is considered a bit of a fluke, but they did sustain success for a very long time (6 years of ECF or better).  The Suns obviously are newer in their run, but the  Pistons got that championship in year 3 of their real run, so if Phoenix can stick around awhile, I think that is the comp.  Of course, Chris Paul is getting super old so this might be their last shot, especially with the Ayton uncertainty.

[celticsclay]

I never thought I would say this at Paul’s age, and it seemed impossible a few years ago, but I think Paul is underrated right now. His little 8-12 foot jumper has been absolutely lethal and unstoppable down the stretch of several playoff games this season. Obviously going 14-14 is absolutely insane.

[Moranis]

I never thought I would say this at Paul’s age, and it seemed impossible a few years ago, but I think Paul is underrated right now. His little 8-12 foot jumper has been absolutely lethal and unstoppable down the stretch of several playoff games this season. Obviously going 14-14 is absolutely insane.

Paul has been very good, but he just can't do it every game, especially when they don't have more than 1 day off in between games. 

This has been his shooting in the playoffs

12 of 16 (9 days rest)
5 of 16 (1 day rest)
10 of 18 (2 days rest)
2 of 8 (1 day rest)
8 of 18 (1 day rest)
14 of 14 (1 day rest)
7 of 13 (3 days rest)

Outside of game 6, when he was awesome, he has done significantly better with longer rest than shorter rest.  Short turn around for game 2, so I expect him to not shoot nearly as well. 

[celticsclay]

I never thought I would say this at Paul’s age, and it seemed impossible a few years ago, but I think Paul is underrated right now. His little 8-12 foot jumper has been absolutely lethal and unstoppable down the stretch of several playoff games this season. Obviously going 14-14 is absolutely insane.

Paul has been very good, but he just can't do it every game, especially when they don't have more than 1 day off in between games. 

This has been his shooting in the playoffs

12 of 16 (9 days rest)
5 of 16 (1 day rest)
10 of 18 (2 days rest)
2 of 8 (1 day rest)
8 of 18 (1 day rest)
14 of 14 (1 day rest)
7 of 13 (3 days rest)

Outside of game 6, when he was awesome, he has done significantly better with longer rest than shorter rest.  Short turn around for game 2, so I expect him to not shoot nearly as well.

Good stats mo. Did you use statmuse for this? I’m curious if New Orleans was a worse matchup for him specifically than Dallas. He is going to be primarily defended by Brunson and dinwiddie? Are either particularly good defenders? I know spencer has length just haven’t heard his d discussed much. I don’t think Brunson can be that good on d just cause of how much they need from him on offensive end.

[Moranis]

I never thought I would say this at Paul’s age, and it seemed impossible a few years ago, but I think Paul is underrated right now. His little 8-12 foot jumper has been absolutely lethal and unstoppable down the stretch of several playoff games this season. Obviously going 14-14 is absolutely insane.

Paul has been very good, but he just can't do it every game, especially when they don't have more than 1 day off in between games. 

This has been his shooting in the playoffs

12 of 16 (9 days rest)
5 of 16 (1 day rest)
10 of 18 (2 days rest)
2 of 8 (1 day rest)
8 of 18 (1 day rest)
14 of 14 (1 day rest)
7 of 13 (3 days rest)

Outside of game 6, when he was awesome, he has done significantly better with longer rest than shorter rest.  Short turn around for game 2, so I expect him to not shoot nearly as well.

Good stats mo. Did you use statmuse for this? I’m curious if New Orleans was a worse matchup for him specifically than Dallas. He is going to be primarily defended by Brunson and dinwiddie? Are either particularly good defenders? I know spencer has length just haven’t heard his d discussed much. I don’t think Brunson can be that good on d just cause of how much they need from him on offensive end.

I just looked at his gamelog and did the numbers myself.  The days off are full days between games.  With the same starting unit it will be Brunson or Doncic doing most of the heavy lifting on Paul as they need Bullock for Booker.

I'm interested to see if they start Kleber instead of Powell to try and draw Ayton out of the middle to start the game and perhaps get him more tired (so he isn't quite as effective offensively). 

[pokeKingCurtis]

I never thought I would say this at Paul’s age, and it seemed impossible a few years ago, but I think Paul is underrated right now. His little 8-12 foot jumper has been absolutely lethal and unstoppable down the stretch of several playoff games this season. Obviously going 14-14 is absolutely insane.

Paul has been very good, but he just can't do it every game, especially when they don't have more than 1 day off in between games. 

This has been his shooting in the playoffs

12 of 16 (9 days rest)
5 of 16 (1 day rest)
10 of 18 (2 days rest)
2 of 8 (1 day rest)
8 of 18 (1 day rest)
14 of 14 (1 day rest)
7 of 13 (3 days rest)

Outside of game 6, when he was awesome, he has done significantly better with longer rest than shorter rest.  Short turn around for game 2, so I expect him to not shoot nearly as well.

Good stats mo. Did you use statmuse for this? I’m curious if New Orleans was a worse matchup for him specifically than Dallas. He is going to be primarily defended by Brunson and dinwiddie? Are either particularly good defenders? I know spencer has length just haven’t heard his d discussed much. I don’t think Brunson can be that good on d just cause of how much they need from him on offensive end.

I just looked at his gamelog and did the numbers myself.  The days off are full days between games.  With the same starting unit it will be Brunson or Doncic doing most of the heavy lifting on Paul as they need Bullock for Booker.

I'm interested to see if they start Kleber instead of Powell to try and draw Ayton out of the middle to start the game and perhaps get him more tired (so he isn't quite as effective offensively).

Wonder if they can't just switch everything in that case. Chris Paul is quite the feisty defender, even up a position.

[jpotter33]

Yeah, Brooks has to be gone for that foul on GPII. That's a tough foul. If you're calling Green a flagrant 2 for that, then the same should be for Brooks.

[letsgoblue86]

Yeah, Brooks has to be gone for that foul on GPII. That's a tough foul. If you're calling Green a flagrant 2 for that, then the same should be for Brooks.

So weak. Eventually their hand is gonna be called when Steph or Giannis does this in a playoff game.

[jpotter33]

Yeah, Brooks has to be gone for that foul on GPII. That's a tough foul. If you're calling Green a flagrant 2 for that, then the same should be for Brooks.

So weak. Eventually their hand is gonna be called when Steph or Giannis does this in a playoff game.

Huh? Did you watch that foul on Brooks? Can't be allowing that on a breakaway dunk like that. Super dangerous. Dude clobbered GPII in the head in mid-air. I'm surprised he didn't break his arm on the fall landing on it from there.

To be honest, I thought that one was worse than Green's.

[gouki88]

Yeah, Brooks has to be gone for that foul on GPII. That's a tough foul. If you're calling Green a flagrant 2 for that, then the same should be for Brooks.

So weak. Eventually their hand is gonna be called when Steph or Giannis does this in a playoff game.

What are you talking about? That kind of foul has absolutely no place in basketball

[Goldstar88]

Dallas doesn’t have the horses. I’m
Honestly not getting what people are seeing with them. Nah e they will explode and make me eat this post but they just don’t seem to have the talent.

There’s only one individual that has been hyping Dallas on the is site and they’ve been very quiet tonight for some reason… hmmm

They just don't have the talent. A cold night from Brunson and they're buried

Maybe they make a comeback here tonight. But in general I just don’t see what they can do to be honest. The suns have 5 of the 7 best players and their third string center is probably as good as most of Dallas frontcourt. Doncic could have like 50 and it would still be tough.

is it Javale McGee?

I remember they owned the Celtics earlier, before the Celtics got their act together. Think a lot of their team were injured that game too.

The Suns are just really good, kind of like the C's in how they randomly pulled together all the right pieces.

It took the Suns 6 games to get past the 8th seed Pelicans. I know Booker missed some Games, but they still should have handled New Orleans better than they did. This Suns team reminds me of that Hawks team with Teague, Horford, Johnson, Smith, Milsap, Korver. Some very good players, but lacked the top end talent that you Need to win it all.

I’m almost positive those players were not on the hawks at the same time and in some cases were years apart. I believe Millsap replaced smith for example. I also don’t believe a single player on that list made first or second team all nba while with the hawks. Paul and Booker mostly likely will be on the first two teams. The hawks also never made the finals which the Sun did last year. Not really seeing the connection at all.

Korver and Millsap weren’t on that team, my bad. The 2009-10 Hawks team was the one I was thinking of had Mike Bibby, Jeff Teague, Jamaal Crawford, Josh Smith, Joe Smith, Marvin Williams,Joe Johnson, Al Horford. A lot of very good players, several all stars, but no elite talent. Team won a lot of games in the regular season, but didn’t have enough to be legit contenders.

Suns were very fortunate to face opponents in the post season last year with injury issues and they still barely got by a Clippers team that was missing Kawhi. Making the finals was a fluke, IMO.

If every team in the West has all of their players available, I would have the Suns as the fourth best team in the conference behind The Warriors, Clippers, and Nuggets.

[blink]

Yeah, Brooks has to be gone for that foul on GPII. That's a tough foul. If you're calling Green a flagrant 2 for that, then the same should be for Brooks.

So weak. Eventually their hand is gonna be called when Steph or Giannis does this in a playoff game.

What are you talking about? That kind of foul has absolutely no place in basketball

Yeah that was a wind up then a blow to the head textbook flag 2 - ejection.
Glad the refs got it right.

[Phantom255x]

At this rate there might actually be casualties in this Warriors-Grizzlies series. Very very physical

[bello_man09]

I love when wiggins dunks!! he's a hell of an athletic- 

[gouki88]

At this rate there might actually be casualties in this Warriors-Grizzlies series. Very very physical

This is going to be a brutal one. Very taxing