NBA Season 2021-22

[Who]

Memphis look good. Brandon Clarke doing damage to that big-less Warriors lineup.

[Atzar]

Man, I just don’t know about calling that a flagrant 2 on Draymond.  That’s steep.

[tazzmaniac]

Man, I just don’t know about calling that a flagrant 2 on Draymond.  That’s steep.

He wound up and hit him in the face with his right hand and then he reached out with his left hand and grabbed the jersey pulling Clarke to the ground to prevent the bucket.  Given the softness of the league that's a flagrant 2.  Certainly seen other plays called flagrant 2 that weren't as bad. 

[Phantom255x]

Man what a find Jordan Poole was. Another great pick by the Warriors who will likely continue to terrorize teams going forward

[jpotter33]

Yikes. Dumb play by the Grizz there. Didn’t even try and take advantage of the 2 for 1 possibility.

[Phantom255x]

WOW what a game. That's a brutal loss for the Grizzlies

[gouki88]

Man, I just don’t know about calling that a flagrant 2 on Draymond.  That’s steep.

It certainly fit the definition of what a flagrant 2 is.

[Moranis]

Man, I just don’t know about calling that a flagrant 2 on Draymond.  That’s steep.

It certainly fit the definition of what a flagrant 2 is.

It did and it is Draymond.  He stopped getting the benefit of doubt years ago.

[wiley]

Man, I just don’t know about calling that a flagrant 2 on Draymond.  That’s steep.

It certainly fit the definition of what a flagrant 2 is.

It did and it is Draymond.  He stopped getting the benefit of doubt years ago.

Agree.  The halftime crew was wrong to criticize it....maybe they didn't see the initial blow to the face, which was hard to see at first.

Definite flagrant 2.

[celticsclay]

I mean in general I would really only like to see players ejected if they wind up and throw a punch or clothesline a guy or shove him into the stands. I get what people are saying about the rules, but I think face contact was completely accidental and I don’t think the jersey part was particularly malicious. In real time it seemed like he tried to hold him up. So I think a flagrant 1 would have been ok.

[gouki88]

I mean in general I would really only like to see players ejected if they wind up and throw a punch or clothesline a guy or shove him into the stands. I get what people are saying about the rules, but I think face contact was completely accidental and I don’t think the jersey part was particularly malicious. In real time it seemed like he tried to hold him up. So I think a flagrant 1 would have been ok.

Intent is irrelevant

[celticsclay]

I mean in general I would really only like to see players ejected if they wind up and throw a punch or clothesline a guy or shove him into the stands. I get what people are saying about the rules, but I think face contact was completely accidental and I don’t think the jersey part was particularly malicious. In real time it seemed like he tried to hold him up. So I think a flagrant 1 would have been ok.

Intent is irrelevant

That’s actually not how they ref it. There are definitely very subjective elements involved, chiefly the refs making the decisions. Someone else in this thread already mentioned greens history. That is something they have admitted they have considered over the years (greens kick in the finals being the most famous example). We can pretend they don’t judge intent but they pretty obviously consider it. 

[gouki88]

I mean in general I would really only like to see players ejected if they wind up and throw a punch or clothesline a guy or shove him into the stands. I get what people are saying about the rules, but I think face contact was completely accidental and I don’t think the jersey part was particularly malicious. In real time it seemed like he tried to hold him up. So I think a flagrant 1 would have been ok.

Intent is irrelevant

That’s actually not how they ref it. There are definitely very subjective elements involved, chiefly the refs making the decisions. Someone else in this thread already mentioned greens history. That is something they have admitted they have considered over the years (greens kick in the finals being the most famous example). We can pretend they don’t judge intent but they pretty obviously consider it.

Where?

[celticsclay]

I mean in general I would really only like to see players ejected if they wind up and throw a punch or clothesline a guy or shove him into the stands. I get what people are saying about the rules, but I think face contact was completely accidental and I don’t think the jersey part was particularly malicious. In real time it seemed like he tried to hold him up. So I think a flagrant 1 would have been ok.

Intent is irrelevant

That’s actually not how they ref it. There are definitely very subjective elements involved, chiefly the refs making the decisions. Someone else in this thread already mentioned greens history. That is something they have admitted they have considered over the years (greens kick in the finals being the most famous example). We can pretend they don’t judge intent but they pretty obviously consider it.

Where?

If you really want me dig up some articles on this I can probably find them. But maybe I can make this even easier. If Marcus smart is throwing a pass and Bruce brown runs into and Marcus smart hits him very hard in the face following through on the pass. You believe that if smart went up to him after a hard foul and got up and hit him the same speed power and spot as his pass follow through with his he doesn’t get penalized in one situation more than the other? That seems like a pretty hard position to defend.

[gouki88]

I mean in general I would really only like to see players ejected if they wind up and throw a punch or clothesline a guy or shove him into the stands. I get what people are saying about the rules, but I think face contact was completely accidental and I don’t think the jersey part was particularly malicious. In real time it seemed like he tried to hold him up. So I think a flagrant 1 would have been ok.

Intent is irrelevant

That’s actually not how they ref it. There are definitely very subjective elements involved, chiefly the refs making the decisions. Someone else in this thread already mentioned greens history. That is something they have admitted they have considered over the years (greens kick in the finals being the most famous example). We can pretend they don’t judge intent but they pretty obviously consider it.

Where?

If you really want me dig up some articles on this I can probably find them. But maybe I can make this even easier. If Marcus smart is throwing a pass and Bruce brown runs into and Marcus smart hits him very hard in the face following through on the pass. You believe that if smart went up to him after a hard foul and got up and hit him the same speed power and spot as his pass follow through with his he doesn’t get penalized in one situation more than the other? That seems like a pretty hard position to defend.

Those aren't comparable, as a pass follow through would not qualify as excessive contact (or maybe even unnecessary), whereas the latter obviously would.