Report: Schroder Signs With Celts

[CBS_Take a Report]

To me this seems like an inevitable decision and they have mutually agreed at MLE assuming Celtics can get below and offer the full MLE. I heard we were $700k above the tax apron so isn’t it logical to think one minor move (Bye Carson Edwards) could get us there?

[Csfan1984]

Dont know the plan but move Edwards, Bruno and Langford for combo forward and you could have

Schro, PP, Dunn
Smart, Richardson, Yam
Brown, Nesmith, ____
Tatum, Parker, GW
Horford, TL, Kanter

[Birdman]

Dont know the plan but move Edwards, Bruno and Langford for combo forward and you could have

Schro, PP, Dunn
Smart, Richardson, Yam
Brown, Nesmith, ____
Tatum, Parker, GW
Horford, TL, Kanter

Like this idea and team looks good

[CBS_Take a Report]

I posted Payton as our starting PG a month ago and people here scoffed at the idea. And while one summer league game isn’t definitive sample size, it is at least an indicator of where this kid is projecting. I do think we need depth and Schroder could be a good 1:2 tandem with Payton, with Marcus sometimes getting ball handling duties.

I wonder if this aligns with Schroder’s interests? From all reports it seems to…

[Roy H.]

Using Hoopshype numbers:

Current salary:  $135,515,880 (accounts for Kanter and Parker)
Tax threshold:  $136,606,000
Tax apron: $143,000,000

Room under apron:  Approx $7.48 million

Full MLE:  $9,536,000

So, if those numbers are right we are just about $2 million away. The easiest way to achieve that would be to cut Jabari Parker and his non-guaranteed salary. However, that would seemingly leave a roster hole.

[jbpats]

Feel like Schroder can destroy our locker room and he's not worth the risk. We aren't going anywhere with or without him this season so why sign him when honestly he could do more harm than good?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Using Hoopshype numbers:

Current salary:  $135,515,880 (accounts for Kanter and Parker)
Tax threshold:  $136,606,000
Tax apron: $143,000,000

Room under apron:  Approx $7.48 million

Full MLE:  $9,536,000

So, if those numbers are right we are just about $2 million away. The easiest way to achieve that would be to cut Jabari Parker and his non-guaranteed salary. However, that would seemingly leave a roster hole.

I have us at $136,668,571 with Kanter and Jabari which is $3,202,571 away from full MLE, add Hauser which I estimate to $449,115, then we'd be $3,651,686.

If we go after Shrodder then I say it's Dunn we'd try to move. Just doesn't make much sense keeping him in that situation, though I'm intrigued about giving Dunn a look. The other alternative is moving Grant + Carlsen. I rather keep Parker (which doesn't net us the full MLE by himself as it is).

I have other potential targets though, Paul Millsap and Lauri Markkanen (S&T).

[Surferdad]

Feel like Schroder can destroy our locker room and he's not worth the risk. We aren't going anywhere with or without him this season so why sign him when honestly he could do more harm than good?

Agree, and I'd rather have Dunn for one year.  We need Jabari because we're very light at PF.

[jambr380]

I can't imagine Dunn is here if we pick up Schroder. Hate to use the 2nd we just picked up to move him, but would probably be worth it if we can get Schroder on a 1-1 deal w/ a team option in that 2nd year. Otherwise, I still don't hate the idea of a Dunn reclamation project.

We may also be waiting on Smart's contract decision. That would be an easy way to cut salary, but we would need to do well in a deal if we are moving him.

[Roy H.]

Using Hoopshype numbers:

Current salary:  $135,515,880 (accounts for Kanter and Parker)
Tax threshold:  $136,606,000
Tax apron: $143,000,000

Room under apron:  Approx $7.48 million

Full MLE:  $9,536,000

So, if those numbers are right we are just about $2 million away. The easiest way to achieve that would be to cut Jabari Parker and his non-guaranteed salary. However, that would seemingly leave a roster hole.

I have us at $136,668,571 with Kanter and Jabari which is $3,202,571 away from full MLE, add Hauser which I estimate to $449,115, then we'd be $3,651,686.

If we go after Shrodder then I say it's Dunn we'd try to move. Just doesn't make much sense keeping him in that situation, though I'm intrigued about giving Dunn a look. The other alternative is moving Grant + Carlsen. I rather keep Parker (which doesn't net us the full MLE by himself as it is).

I have other potential targets though, Paul Millsap and Lauri Markkanen (S&T).

Did you discount Kanter salary downward? The vet minimum is subsidized by the league, at least for one year deals.  I think we’re only paying him around 1.5 million for cap purposes.

Also, it’s unclear what the NBA will do with Houser and other 2-ways.  By rule, their salary is capped around $80,000, but the NBA allowed them to earn up to the $449,000 that you cited last year due to Covid.

[CBS_Take a Report]

Feel like Schroder can destroy our locker room and he's not worth the risk. We aren't going anywhere with or without him this season so why sign him when honestly he could do more harm than good?

Agree, and I'd rather have Dunn for one year.  We need Jabari because we're very light at PF.

Feels like this could lead Celtics to negotiating with Schroder to take below the full MLE which is why a signing hasn’t been announced with so much rumored mutual interest. I think the emergence of Pritchard is also advantage Celtics. But we are still incredibly thin at PG with Dunn being a ? and Marcus better suited for SG.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Using Hoopshype numbers:

Current salary:  $135,515,880 (accounts for Kanter and Parker)
Tax threshold:  $136,606,000
Tax apron: $143,000,000

Room under apron:  Approx $7.48 million

Full MLE:  $9,536,000

So, if those numbers are right we are just about $2 million away. The easiest way to achieve that would be to cut Jabari Parker and his non-guaranteed salary. However, that would seemingly leave a roster hole.

I have us at $136,668,571 with Kanter and Jabari which is $3,202,571 away from full MLE, add Hauser which I estimate to $449,115, then we'd be $3,651,686.

If we go after Shrodder then I say it's Dunn we'd try to move. Just doesn't make much sense keeping him in that situation, though I'm intrigued about giving Dunn a look. The other alternative is moving Grant + Carlsen. I rather keep Parker (which doesn't net us the full MLE by himself as it is).

I have other potential targets though, Paul Millsap and Lauri Markkanen (S&T).

Did you discount Kanter salary downward? The vet minimum is subsidized by the league, at least for one year deals.  I think we’re only paying him around 1.5 million for cap purposes.

No I didn't, not sure how that works in the end. Like I would figure that for team salary calculations the full amount is included, but the team doesn't pay the full of it. Honestly don't know what's the right of it. Would love some clarification if you have it.

Edit: Think I found the passage: "Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive than younger veterans."

Will revise my calculations then.

[Roy H.]

Using Hoopshype numbers:

Current salary:  $135,515,880 (accounts for Kanter and Parker)
Tax threshold:  $136,606,000
Tax apron: $143,000,000

Room under apron:  Approx $7.48 million

Full MLE:  $9,536,000

So, if those numbers are right we are just about $2 million away. The easiest way to achieve that would be to cut Jabari Parker and his non-guaranteed salary. However, that would seemingly leave a roster hole.

I have us at $136,668,571 with Kanter and Jabari which is $3,202,571 away from full MLE, add Hauser which I estimate to $449,115, then we'd be $3,651,686.

If we go after Shrodder then I say it's Dunn we'd try to move. Just doesn't make much sense keeping him in that situation, though I'm intrigued about giving Dunn a look. The other alternative is moving Grant + Carlsen. I rather keep Parker (which doesn't net us the full MLE by himself as it is).

I have other potential targets though, Paul Millsap and Lauri Markkanen (S&T).

Did you discount Kanter salary downward? The vet minimum is subsidized by the league, at least for one year deals.  I think we’re only paying him around 1.5 million for cap purposes.

No I didn't, not sure how that works in the end. Like I would figure that for team salary calculations the full amount is included, but the team doesn't pay the full of it. Honestly don't know what's the right of it. Would love some clarification if you have it.

CBA FAQ #22

Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/minimum/

Note: this only applies to the minimum contracts of one year or less. Therefore, Jabari’s deal would not qualify I believe.

[Jvalin]

Using Hoopshype numbers:

Current salary:  $135,515,880 (accounts for Kanter and Parker)
Tax threshold:  $136,606,000
Tax apron: $143,000,000

Room under apron:  Approx $7.48 million

Full MLE:  $9,536,000

So, if those numbers are right we are just about $2 million away. The easiest way to achieve that would be to cut Jabari Parker and his non-guaranteed salary. However, that would seemingly leave a roster hole.

The $135,515,880 number is without Kanter. You can easily verify this by doing the math yourself. If you include Kanter, the new total is $137,324,558. The apron is $143,002,000, hence we are sitting $5,677,442 below the apron. Like you said, the non-taxpayer MLE starts at $9,536,000. Long story short, we'd have to somehow dump at least $3,858,558 in order to finalize the Schroder acquisition. Dunn is the obvious choice. His salary is $5,005,350.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Using Hoopshype numbers:

Current salary:  $135,515,880 (accounts for Kanter and Parker)
Tax threshold:  $136,606,000
Tax apron: $143,000,000

Room under apron:  Approx $7.48 million

Full MLE:  $9,536,000

So, if those numbers are right we are just about $2 million away. The easiest way to achieve that would be to cut Jabari Parker and his non-guaranteed salary. However, that would seemingly leave a roster hole.

I have us at $136,668,571 with Kanter and Jabari which is $3,202,571 away from full MLE, add Hauser which I estimate to $449,115, then we'd be $3,651,686.

If we go after Shrodder then I say it's Dunn we'd try to move. Just doesn't make much sense keeping him in that situation, though I'm intrigued about giving Dunn a look. The other alternative is moving Grant + Carlsen. I rather keep Parker (which doesn't net us the full MLE by himself as it is).

I have other potential targets though, Paul Millsap and Lauri Markkanen (S&T).

Did you discount Kanter salary downward? The vet minimum is subsidized by the league, at least for one year deals.  I think we’re only paying him around 1.5 million for cap purposes.

No I didn't, not sure how that works in the end. Like I would figure that for team salary calculations the full amount is included, but the team doesn't pay the full of it. Honestly don't know what's the right of it. Would love some clarification if you have it.

CBA FAQ #22

Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/minimum/

Note: this only applies to the minimum contracts of one year or less. Therefore, Jabari’s deal would not qualify I believe.

Saw it just at the same time as you posted LOL, even so these are my revised numbers:

$136,145,173 with Jabari and Hauser, $2,679,173 shy.

Without Hauser: $2,230,058 shy.

Without Jabari: $396,139 shy.

Without both: $52,976 under and good to go.