NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021

[Who]

Not a great shooter, but he’s still a better scorer than Smart, let alone our others coming off the bench. Decent facilitator and good defender, too. I imagine he’d start off the bench:

PG: Smart, Schroeder, PP
SG: Richardson, Nesmith
SF: Brown, Romeo
PF: Tatum, Parker, GWill
C: Timelord, Horford, Kanter

That’s solid and actually a much better bench than we had last year. And if we can somehow add another serviceable swing/forward spot via the TT trade or moving Dunn/Fernando, that would be even better.

I still think that DS and Smart are redundant. I don't think either will be signed long term so signing DS and trading Smart is possible. Signing DS puts PP into deep bench zero PT role.  I don't think they want PP watching.  Smart can still fetch assets.

Just trade Pritchard at that stage. No point keeping him if he isn't playing. Let him go somewhere else and develop his career.

Probably pickup a late first for him. He played well last year. I imagine someone bites on that.

[Celtics2021]

How soon can Horford's salary be aggregated?

That’s not happening.

[Who]

Not a great shooter, but he’s still a better scorer than Smart, let alone our others coming off the bench. Decent facilitator and good defender, too. I imagine he’d start off the bench:

PG: Smart, Schroeder, PP
SG: Richardson, Nesmith
SF: Brown, Romeo
PF: Tatum, Parker, GWill
C: Timelord, Horford, Kanter

That’s solid and actually a much better bench than we had last year. And if we can somehow add another serviceable swing/forward spot via the TT trade or moving Dunn/Fernando, that would be even better.

I like your idea of bringing Schroeder off the bench but I do not believe he'll last long in that role because he is the only player on the Celtics team quick enough off the dribble to get dribble penetration in the halfcourt. The team needs his speed. They need his ball-handling. I imagine it would only be a matter of time until he starts.

I wonder if they would go this way:

G: Schroeder, Pritchard
G: Smart, Josh Richardson
F: Jaylen, Nesmith
F: Tatum,
C: Horford, Rob Williams

or

G: Schroeder, Prtichard
G: Josh Richardson, Smart
F: Jaylen, Nesmith
F: Tatum
C: Horford, Rob Williams


I also believe Horford starts over Rob Williams. The team needs Horford's offense to open the game up due to our limited offensive guards. Horford was still the superior player over Rob Williams last year to my eyes.



I do like the balance of the team better with Schroeder off the bench because the team gets that shot-creator who can come in and keep the offense going while Jaylen and/or Tatum rest. As much as I like that though, I do wonder how long they could keep him in that role with the team failing to generate enough dribble penetration.

[Jvalin]

Some Laker fans are dreaming of a s&t with Smart and Schroder. Crazy.

Let them dream all they want. If we land him via a sign and trade, we have to sign him for 3 or 4 years. According to rumors, Schroder wants to rehabilitate his value with a view to hitting free agency once again in 2022.

I guess it would have to be for a portion of the MLE. I mean, didn't we offer Kanter a portion of the MLE as well? Don't think we have our full MLE availlable anymore.

[Who]

Some Laker fans are dreaming of a s&t with Smart and Schroder. Crazy.

I have always wanted to see Smart & Westbrook play alongside each other since Smart went to college in Oklahoma. Two bull-dogs in the backcourt.

Although that was before the league went 3 point mad. It wouldn't be so pretty now. But it would be an awful lot of fun to see them go after people. Non-stop aggressiveness.

[cons]

wasn't DS compared a lot to rondo early on in his career?

if so
im thinking banner 18 here w this move

well maybe not that much
but im optimistic

i think he could end up being a nice addition

[DefenseWinsChamps]

How soon can Horford's salary be aggregated?

That’s not happening.

I don't expect it to either, but I wanted to know.

Could the reason why that deal got done so early was so Stevens could bump up the timeline to trade Horford with Smart and prospects for Beal?

Otherwise, I don't really understand the timing of everything that's happened.

[blink]

so here is a dumb Q.  how can we do a sign and trade with DS and not be hardcapped?
I thought the reason we were never in the running for Ball was that the only way to get him was a sign and trade, and that resulted in us being hardcapped.

[Celtics2021]

so here is a dumb Q.  how can we do a sign and trade with DS and not be hardcapped?
I thought the reason we were never in the running for Ball was that the only way to get him was a sign and trade, and that resulted in us being hardcapped.

We would be hard-capped.  But if we send out Smart’s salary and sign DS at an equivalent amount, we would remain at the same cap level.  I think this is a foolish idea, but that’s how it could work.

Part of the problem with Lonzo is that his expected salary was too high.  Trading Smart would have left us with less room to maneuver under the hard cap.

[Who]

To me, Schroder only makes sense if we have other plans for Smart, and that may well be the case.  Otherwise, isn't he very much like Smart?  Do people think he is better than Smart?

I see them as quite different.

I view Schroeder as a selfish PG who only plays for himself (one position player). He is a very good shot-creator (for himself) and plays solid defense. His passing is well below average. His decision making and ability to run a team is well below average. His ability to contribute in team offense is well below average whereas his ability to contribute in individual (self-generated) offense is very good.

I view Smart as a combo guard who excels in teamwork but is limited in self-generation. He lacks the quickness to be a primary creator off the dribble but he is a good secondary ball-handler and passer. He is excellent defender and strong rebounder whose physical strength and power allows him to play both guard spots.


So I don't see Schroeder as similar to Smart or competing with Smart for a role on this team. They provide two different sets of skills to contribute to a team in their own ways.

I would say their similar weakness in terms of outside shooting could pose a large problem. Hard to solve though since Pritchard is the only good outside shooter at guard we have. Smart might actually be the 2nd best outside shooter among our guards - scary thought!

[liam]

Some Laker fans are dreaming of a s&t with Smart and Schroder. Crazy.

Let them dream all they want. If we land him via a sign and trade, we have to sign him for 3 or 4 years. According to rumors, Schroder wants to rehabilitate his value with a view to hitting free agency once again in 2022.

I guess it would have to be for a portion of the MLE. I mean, didn't we offer Kanter a portion of the MLE as well? Don't think we have our full MLE availlable anymore.

I think Kanter is on a vet min.

[Vermont Green]

Just to pick out one line on the Markkanen discussion that I wanted to expand out on.

A Porzingis type of player, given a new team and being inspired by Tatum and Brown. 

I see Markkanen as very similar to Porzingis as well. Both guys are players who I feel are better off long term as centers than at the forward position.

The forward spot has gotten too small, quick and athletic for these guys. In today's offenses, the height advantage / post up threats are not effective enough in exploiting things in their (Markkanen / Porzingis) direction. Instead, they are being defended by guys who are much better at defending the perimeter than old school PFs used to be. Similar to Dirk Nowitzki when coaches used to defend him with wings (like Bruce Bowen) before Dirk developed his post game. Only nowadays, nobody wants these guys in the post. At least not very often. Limiting the advantage of their height.

Both guys have the size to play center defensively but are lacking in know-how - particularly Markkanen. It would take a year long commitment and proper coaching to get them up to an adequate level. Porzingis I reckon can be an above average defensive center because of his superior size & shot-blocking but Markkanen has lesser physical tools. He could surprise us all and commit to becoming a strong defensive (his speed, agility & switch-ability are impressive for a center) but this is unlikely. Most likely outcome is just getting to being adequate - to a point where his defense doesn't kill you and his offense is a major boost to your team making him a large net positive for his team.


I also think both players need to be developed as passers. They are both too shot-happy. They are such scoring threats that every time they are near the ball (not even on the ball, just near it), the defenses goes on alert. Improving their passing would allow them to get more touches which would allow them to be more involved in the game. To put the opposition defense on alert more often. Both guys need to learn from PF/Cs like Al Horford in how to facilitate an offense. It will open up their scoring and create a whole new world of offensive opportunities for them.

I don't disagree with any of this.  Both Porzingis and Markkanen are kind of hybrids.  Our short term need is for a big that can shoot (Danny's words).  I am not hung up on the difference between C and PF.  There is some difference but I just want to be able to put 2 bigs on the floor when we need to, where at least one of them can be an offensive weapon.  Right now we have Horford and Williams (assuming Thompson is traded).  Maybe Markkanen covers the opposing C and Williams the opposing faster big or swing.

The intent isn't to always play with a conventional 2 big line with exactly a PF and exactly a C.  If we had Markkanen (or Porzingis) there would be line ups where he was the only big, line ups with Horford, line ups with Williams, line ups with Parker.  It's all OK.

So long as Markkanen continues to shoot as he has his entire career, defends either position reasonable well, isn't a black hole on offense, doesn't he fit exactly the mold of exactly what we need?  If there is a chance to be opportunistic and grab him on a reasonable deal, I am all for it.  It may not work out.  There are no guarantees.  But this is the type of player I am the most willing to take a chance on (way more than Dennis Schroder for example).

[Jvalin]

Some Laker fans are dreaming of a s&t with Smart and Schroder. Crazy.

Let them dream all they want. If we land him via a sign and trade, we have to sign him for 3 or 4 years. According to rumors, Schroder wants to rehabilitate his value with a view to hitting free agency once again in 2022.

I guess it would have to be for a portion of the MLE. I mean, didn't we offer Kanter a portion of the MLE as well? Don't think we have our full MLE availlable anymore.

I think Kanter is on a vet min.

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1422950253221748744?s=20

Jared Weiss: ''Celtics and Enes Kanter are working out a deal for likely a portion of the MLE, league sources tell The Athletic. Salary still being figured out as team settles its cap situation''.

Not sure whether this is accurate or not, but The Athletic is a reputable source.

[Celtics2021]

Some Laker fans are dreaming of a s&t with Smart and Schroder. Crazy.

Let them dream all they want. If we land him via a sign and trade, we have to sign him for 3 or 4 years. According to rumors, Schroder wants to rehabilitate his value with a view to hitting free agency once again in 2022.

I guess it would have to be for a portion of the MLE. I mean, didn't we offer Kanter a portion of the MLE as well? Don't think we have our full MLE availlable anymore.

I think Kanter is on a vet min.

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1422950253221748744?s=20

Jared Weiss: ''Celtics and Enes Kanter are working out a deal for likely a portion of the MLE, league sources tell The Athletic. Salary still being figured out as team settles its cap situation''.

Not sure whether this is accurate or not, but The Athletic is a reputable source.

That’s be weird considering how little difference there is between the vet min and even half the taxpayer MLE.

[Vermont Green]

Some Laker fans are dreaming of a s&t with Smart and Schroder. Crazy.

Let them dream all they want. If we land him via a sign and trade, we have to sign him for 3 or 4 years. According to rumors, Schroder wants to rehabilitate his value with a view to hitting free agency once again in 2022.

I guess it would have to be for a portion of the MLE. I mean, didn't we offer Kanter a portion of the MLE as well? Don't think we have our full MLE availlable anymore.

I think Kanter is on a vet min.

My understanding as well.  We can sign Schroder with the Tax Payer MLE (all of it still available) and not be hard capped.  I think that is about $6M.  Schroder declined $21M per year.  Hard to imagine he would sign here to come off the bench.  Doesn't seem like a good match for us or him.