NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021

[tonydelk]

https://bleacherreport.com/user_post/9c3c1ed5-098c-493c-bcd2-2987c7d6c561

https://twitter.com/jakelfischer/status/1423705664380145669?s=21

Reportedly we are engaged with Schroeder about a possible deal.

It’s Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt. But it makes sense and has been rumored before. If we can get him on a one year, “make good” kind of deal, why not? That’s a win-win for both sides and really would help us this year to remain competitive.

Will he mesh well with the J's?  I've always liked DS but you hear from time to time that he's got attitude issues.  He's not a knock down shooter and I'm not sure how well he'd fit next to smart.  Good defender and can score, distribute and get to the hoop a bit.  Just doesn't knock down a high level of shots

[Evantime34]

https://bleacherreport.com/user_post/9c3c1ed5-098c-493c-bcd2-2987c7d6c561

https://twitter.com/jakelfischer/status/1423705664380145669?s=21

Reportedly we are engaged with Schroeder about a possible deal.

It’s Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt. But it makes sense and has been rumored before. If we can get him on a one year, “make good” kind of deal, why not? That’s a win-win for both sides and really would help us this year to remain competitive.

I'm not a fan of Dennis, but if the Celtics can sign him to the tax MLE for one year that is great value in a shrinking market. Last year the bench rarely scored well. Al Horford/Schroder pick and roll really could provide that bench scoring punch the team has lacked.

[slamtheking]

https://bleacherreport.com/user_post/9c3c1ed5-098c-493c-bcd2-2987c7d6c561

https://twitter.com/jakelfischer/status/1423705664380145669?s=21

Reportedly we are engaged with Schroeder about a possible deal.

It’s Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt. But it makes sense and has been rumored before. If we can get him on a one year, “make good” kind of deal, why not? That’s a win-win for both sides and really would help us this year to remain competitive.

Considering the roster, this is the most likely FA target I could see the team pursuing.  Him and Milsap.

[slamtheking]

https://bleacherreport.com/user_post/9c3c1ed5-098c-493c-bcd2-2987c7d6c561

https://twitter.com/jakelfischer/status/1423705664380145669?s=21

Reportedly we are engaged with Schroeder about a possible deal.

It’s Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt. But it makes sense and has been rumored before. If we can get him on a one year, “make good” kind of deal, why not? That’s a win-win for both sides and really would help us this year to remain competitive.

Will he mesh well with the J's?  I've always liked DS but you hear from time to time that he's got attitude issues.  He's not a knock down shooter and I'm not sure how well he'd fit next to smart.  Good defender and can score, distribute and get to the hoop a bit.  Just doesn't knock down a high level of shots

he has his flaws but I'd rather have him coming off the bench than Edwards

[tonydelk]

https://bleacherreport.com/user_post/9c3c1ed5-098c-493c-bcd2-2987c7d6c561

https://twitter.com/jakelfischer/status/1423705664380145669?s=21

Reportedly we are engaged with Schroeder about a possible deal.

It’s Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt. But it makes sense and has been rumored before. If we can get him on a one year, “make good” kind of deal, why not? That’s a win-win for both sides and really would help us this year to remain competitive.

Will he mesh well with the J's?  I've always liked DS but you hear from time to time that he's got attitude issues.  He's not a knock down shooter and I'm not sure how well he'd fit next to smart.  Good defender and can score, distribute and get to the hoop a bit.  Just doesn't knock down a high level of shots

he has his flaws but I'd rather have him coming off the bench than Edwards

He seems redundant with Smart.  Virtually the same player while Schroder has a higher % from 2's while they have the same 3pt%.  It could also free up a deal to move Smart if we get Schroder on a 1 year deal.


OVERALL   GP   MIN   PTS   FGM   FGA   FG%   3PM   3PA   3P%   FTM   FTA   FT%   OREB   DREB   REB   AST   TOV   STL   BLK   PF   +/-
Dennis Schroder   61   32.1   15.4   5.4   12.5   43.7   1.2   3.5   33.5   3.4   4.0   84.8   0.5   3.0   3.5   5.8   2.7   1.1   0.2   2.6   1.4
Marcus Smart   48   32.9   13.1   4.2   10.6   39.8   1.9   5.9   33.0   2.7   3.4   79.0   0.8   2.7   3.5   5.7   2.0   1.5   0.5   2.6   1.9

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https://bleacherreport.com/user_post/9c3c1ed5-098c-493c-bcd2-2987c7d6c561

https://twitter.com/jakelfischer/status/1423705664380145669?s=21

Reportedly we are engaged with Schroeder about a possible deal.

It’s Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt. But it makes sense and has been rumored before. If we can get him on a one year, “make good” kind of deal, why not? That’s a win-win for both sides and really would help us this year to remain competitive.

Will he mesh well with the J's?  I've always liked DS but you hear from time to time that he's got attitude issues.  He's not a knock down shooter and I'm not sure how well he'd fit next to smart.  Good defender and can score, distribute and get to the hoop a bit.  Just doesn't knock down a high level of shots

he has his flaws but I'd rather have him coming off the bench than Edwards

Would DS agree to sign here if he was coming off the bench?  That doesn't seem like what his career needs right now.

[Who]

Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
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Bulls restricted free agent Lauri Markkanen tells Finnish journalist
@AJ_Sipila
 he wants out of Chicago: “We have offers from several different teams. I want a fresh start to my NBA career somewhere else.”

If we went after him I'd want us to trade Timelord. Lauri is better suited to the 5 and really improved his shooting efficiency

That would be the most sensible thing, although we oughtn’t sign him to more in year 1 that Time Lord’s cap hold if we’re committed to cap space.

That said, I’d prefer Williams.

A sign and trade for Thompson makes the most sense to me (we would need the additional salary I would think).  We start Horford and Markkanen together.  Or Markannen and RWilliams I guess.  Doesn't really matter to me which (Horford or Markkanen) is the PF.  Both are kind of hybrid PF/C bigs.

But that’s not going to make sense to Chicago.

Chicago traded away Aminu and Young in the DeRozan deal and with this would lose Markkanen.  Plus they lost Theis.  They need some big depth.  Thompson can provide that.  Probably Thompson, GWilliams, and a future pick could get it there.  I know Chicago has taken on a lot of money and is going to be hesitant to take on more but do they really want to pay a pouty Markkanen $9M when he doesn't want to be there?  That is not good for anyone.  Should be a deal here that can work for all.

What I find kind of funny is Chicago not wanting to pay Markkanen sizeable money because he failed to play the PF position at a good enough level to justify that money yet ... the idea here is for Boston to pay that money for Markkanen to play the exact same role he failed at in Chicago here in Boston.

Why would Markkanen be more successful as a PF in Boston than he was in Chicago?

What do you see him as a PF? Do you see him as a star talent? A third star behind Tatum and Jaylen? Or do you see him as a role player who has size and can shoot similar to Ryan Anderson? Markkanen showed he couldn't be the first (star) but was able to be the 2nd (role player) while with the Bulls.

What I am asking is, why should we expect more from Markkanen in Boston while playing the same role?

Markkanen has had a very strange trajectory.  After putting up 19/9 as a starter in 2018/19, he has gone down to where this season, he was coming off the bench and appeared to be in some kind of a mental funk.  He still managed 13/5 in 26 min which even as his worst year of his career, is still better than anything any PF has done on the Celtics in a while.  Oh, and he shot 40% from 3 on almost 6 attempts.

Now I don't know exactly what happened between 2018 and 2021 but there was COVID and all that.  SAS is known as a smart franchise and they reported to have offered him 3 years / $39 M.  The structure that I proposed was essentially a 1 year deal while trading a couple of players that are not much help to us.  I feel there is a decent chance that he can be a say 17 pts, 8 reb player and go up from there.  A Porzingis type of player, given a new team and being inspired by Tatum and Brown.  But even a worst case floor of say 14 pts and 6 rebs with 40% 3 pt shooting is an improvement over our current PF rotation.  And best case is a 20/10 fringe all star at the PF position.

If he was to accept a contract structured the way I propose, there is not much risk for either party and plenty of upside for either party.  If his goal is to play this year to reset his value, Boston would be a great opportunity.  We have a glaring hole at PF and he would get to play with 2 young all stars.  How could the situation be better for him?

(1) passers - more creative passing from guards / ball-handlers to create easy scoring opportunities for him. Smart, Jaylen and Tatum would be one of the weakest playmaking perimeter trios in the league.

(2) not being asked to space the floor for two scorers which leaves him off-ball too often. Not involved enough in the offense.

(3) not playing next to a facilitating big man like Horford who needs to be central to the offense as a passing big man to make the offense go which results in Markkanen playing more off-ball again. Not involved enough in the offense.



(4) Playing center instead of forward so that he can attack slower footed big men off the dribble instead of having smaller quicker defensive forwards guard him who deny his dribble drive threat resulting in him becoming a largely one dimensional spot up shooting offensive threat. Again, a reduced offensive threat.

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https://bleacherreport.com/user_post/9c3c1ed5-098c-493c-bcd2-2987c7d6c561

https://twitter.com/jakelfischer/status/1423705664380145669?s=21

Reportedly we are engaged with Schroeder about a possible deal.

It’s Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt. But it makes sense and has been rumored before. If we can get him on a one year, “make good” kind of deal, why not? That’s a win-win for both sides and really would help us this year to remain competitive.

Will he mesh well with the J's?  I've always liked DS but you hear from time to time that he's got attitude issues.  He's not a knock down shooter and I'm not sure how well he'd fit next to smart.  Good defender and can score, distribute and get to the hoop a bit.  Just doesn't knock down a high level of shots

he has his flaws but I'd rather have him coming off the bench than Edwards

He seems redundant with Smart.  Virtually the same player while Schroder has a higher % from 2's while they have the same 3pt%.  It could also free up a deal to move Smart if we get Schroder on a 1 year deal.


OVERALL   GP   MIN   PTS   FGM   FGA   FG%   3PM   3PA   3P%   FTM   FTA   FT%   OREB   DREB   REB   AST   TOV   STL   BLK   PF   +/-
Dennis Schroder   61   32.1   15.4   5.4   12.5   43.7   1.2   3.5   33.5   3.4   4.0   84.8   0.5   3.0   3.5   5.8   2.7   1.1   0.2   2.6   1.4
Marcus Smart   48   32.9   13.1   4.2   10.6   39.8   1.9   5.9   33.0   2.7   3.4   79.0   0.8   2.7   3.5   5.7   2.0   1.5   0.5   2.6   1.9

Like him or not, Smart is a valuable player, we would get back something of value if we trade him right?
DS is staying with the C's long term.  He would just get in the way of signing another all star. 

[Celtics2021]

https://bleacherreport.com/user_post/9c3c1ed5-098c-493c-bcd2-2987c7d6c561

https://twitter.com/jakelfischer/status/1423705664380145669?s=21

Reportedly we are engaged with Schroeder about a possible deal.

It’s Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt. But it makes sense and has been rumored before. If we can get him on a one year, “make good” kind of deal, why not? That’s a win-win for both sides and really would help us this year to remain competitive.

Will he mesh well with the J's?  I've always liked DS but you hear from time to time that he's got attitude issues.  He's not a knock down shooter and I'm not sure how well he'd fit next to smart.  Good defender and can score, distribute and get to the hoop a bit.  Just doesn't knock down a high level of shots

he has his flaws but I'd rather have him coming off the bench than Edwards

If the Celtics don’t wind up with Dunn in the Thompson trade, Schroeder makes some sense.  At a one-year MLE, he wouldn’t push us over the tax and could be moved if he didn’t fit.  With Dunn, I’d just stand pat.

[jpotter33]

Not a great shooter, but he’s still a better scorer than Smart, let alone our others coming off the bench. Decent facilitator and good defender, too. I imagine he’d start off the bench:

PG: Smart, Schroeder, PP
SG: Richardson, Nesmith
SF: Brown, Romeo
PF: Tatum, Parker, GWill
C: Timelord, Horford, Kanter

That’s solid and actually a much better bench than we had last year. And if we can somehow add another serviceable swing/forward spot via the TT trade or moving Dunn/Fernando, that would be even better.

[radiohead]

Some Laker fans are dreaming of a s&t with Smart and Schroder. Crazy.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

How soon can Horford's salary be aggregated?

[tonydelk]

Not a great shooter, but he’s still a better scorer than Smart, let alone our others coming off the bench. Decent facilitator and good defender, too. I imagine he’d start off the bench:

PG: Smart, Schroeder, PP
SG: Richardson, Nesmith
SF: Brown, Romeo
PF: Tatum, Parker, GWill
C: Timelord, Horford, Kanter

That’s solid and actually a much better bench than we had last year. And if we can somehow add another serviceable swing/forward spot via the TT trade or moving Dunn/Fernando, that would be even better.

I still think that DS and Smart are redundant. I don't think either will be signed long term so signing DS and trading Smart is possible.  Signing DS puts PP into deep bench zero PT role.  I don't think they want PP watching.  Smart can still fetch assets.

[jpotter33]

Not a great shooter, but he’s still a better scorer than Smart, let alone our others coming off the bench. Decent facilitator and good defender, too. I imagine he’d start off the bench:

PG: Smart, Schroeder, PP
SG: Richardson, Nesmith
SF: Brown, Romeo
PF: Tatum, Parker, GWill
C: Timelord, Horford, Kanter

That’s solid and actually a much better bench than we had last year. And if we can somehow add another serviceable swing/forward spot via the TT trade or moving Dunn/Fernando, that would be even better.

I still think that DS and Smart are redundant. I don't think either will be signed long term so signing DS and trading Smart is possible.  Signing DS puts PP into deep bench zero PT role.  I don't think they want PP watching.  Smart can still fetch assets.

Definitely possible, especially if they don’t plan on resigning him next year.

Would hate to see it, though. I’m pretty excited to see what Ime can do with him. I think Smart needs a strong leader to hold him accountable, which Brad never did. When reigned in, Smart is still a super, super valuable piece and one that can be an X-factor for a team.

[Who]

Just to pick out one line on the Markkanen discussion that I wanted to expand out on.

A Porzingis type of player, given a new team and being inspired by Tatum and Brown. 

I see Markkanen as very similar to Porzingis as well. Both guys are players who I feel are better off long term as centers than at the forward position.

The forward spot has gotten too small, quick and athletic for these guys. In today's offenses, the height advantage / post up threats are not effective enough in exploiting things in their (Markkanen / Porzingis) direction. Instead, they are being defended by guys who are much better at defending the perimeter than old school PFs used to be. Similar to Dirk Nowitzki when coaches used to defend him with wings (like Bruce Bowen) before Dirk developed his post game. Only nowadays, nobody wants these guys in the post. At least not very often. Limiting the advantage of their height.

Both guys have the size to play center defensively but are lacking in know-how - particularly Markkanen. It would take a year long commitment and proper coaching to get them up to an adequate level. Porzingis I reckon can be an above average defensive center because of his superior size & shot-blocking but Markkanen has lesser physical tools. He could surprise us all and commit to becoming a strong defensive (his speed, agility & switch-ability are impressive for a center) but this is unlikely. Most likely outcome is just getting to being adequate - to a point where his defense doesn't kill you and his offense is a major boost to your team making him a large net positive for his team.


I also think both players need to be developed as passers. They are both too shot-happy. They are such scoring threats that every time they are near the ball (not even on the ball, just near it), the defenses goes on alert. Improving their passing would allow them to get more touches which would allow them to be more involved in the game. To put the opposition defense on alert more often. Both guys need to learn from PF/Cs like Al Horford in how to facilitate an offense. It will open up their scoring and create a whole new world of offensive opportunities for them.