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Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #1020 on: August 06, 2021, 10:34:39 AM »

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If we went after him I'd want us to trade Timelord. Lauri is better suited to the 5 and really improved his shooting efficiency
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Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #1021 on: August 06, 2021, 10:43:39 AM »

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All signs point to him signing with Charlotte. He'd be a nice fit for us offensively, but defensively, he'd be a disaster playing the 5 for us.

Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #1022 on: August 06, 2021, 10:45:50 AM »

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 he wants out of Chicago: “We have offers from several different teams. I want a fresh start to my NBA career somewhere else.”
If we went after him I'd want us to trade Timelord. Lauri is better suited to the 5 and really improved his shooting efficiency

That would be the most sensible thing, although we oughtn’t sign him to more in year 1 that Time Lord’s cap hold if we’re committed to cap space.

That said, I’d prefer Williams.

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« Reply #1023 on: August 06, 2021, 10:52:39 AM »

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 he wants out of Chicago: “We have offers from several different teams. I want a fresh start to my NBA career somewhere else.”
If we went after him I'd want us to trade Timelord. Lauri is better suited to the 5 and really improved his shooting efficiency

That would be the most sensible thing, although we oughtn’t sign him to more in year 1 that Time Lord’s cap hold if we’re committed to cap space.

That said, I’d prefer Williams.

A sign and trade for Thompson makes the most sense to me (we would need the additional salary I would think).  We start Horford and Markkanen together.  Or Markannen and RWilliams I guess.  Doesn't really matter to me which (Horford or Markkanen) is the PF.  Both are kind of hybrid PF/C bigs.

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« Reply #1024 on: August 06, 2021, 10:53:02 AM »

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Headline from the Athletic:

Damian Lillard talks Blazers free agency: Portland star says team didn't get "some of the guys" they would have liked

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« Reply #1025 on: August 06, 2021, 10:56:21 AM »

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 he wants out of Chicago: “We have offers from several different teams. I want a fresh start to my NBA career somewhere else.”
If we went after him I'd want us to trade Timelord. Lauri is better suited to the 5 and really improved his shooting efficiency

That would be the most sensible thing, although we oughtn’t sign him to more in year 1 that Time Lord’s cap hold if we’re committed to cap space.

That said, I’d prefer Williams.

A sign and trade for Thompson makes the most sense to me (we would need the additional salary I would think).  We start Horford and Markkanen together.  Or Markannen and RWilliams I guess.  Doesn't really matter to me which (Horford or Markkanen) is the PF.  Both are kind of hybrid PF/C bigs.

But that’s not going to make sense to Chicago.

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« Reply #1026 on: August 06, 2021, 11:00:29 AM »

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Headline from the Athletic:

Damian Lillard talks Blazers free agency: Portland star says team didn't get "some of the guys" they would have liked
Did Portland really get anyone?
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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« Reply #1027 on: August 06, 2021, 11:04:59 AM »

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Headline from the Athletic:

Damian Lillard talks Blazers free agency: Portland star says team didn't get "some of the guys" they would have liked
Did Portland really get anyone?

They kept Norman Powell, and got McLemore and Snell on minimum deals, because they needed more guards…

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« Reply #1028 on: August 06, 2021, 11:05:11 AM »

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Headline from the Athletic:

Damian Lillard talks Blazers free agency: Portland star says team didn't get "some of the guys" they would have liked
Did Portland really get anyone?

Ben McLemore, Tony Snell and Cody Zeller.

No difference makers. No starters. Just bench material. Two minimum contract guys at the wings and an-about-to-become journeyman big man in Cody Zeller.

And they lost Melo who did start for them and despite all his flaws was their 2nd best forward on the team which is an indictment of how bad Portland's forward rotation was.

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« Reply #1029 on: August 06, 2021, 11:09:11 AM »

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 he wants out of Chicago: “We have offers from several different teams. I want a fresh start to my NBA career somewhere else.”
If we went after him I'd want us to trade Timelord. Lauri is better suited to the 5 and really improved his shooting efficiency

That would be the most sensible thing, although we oughtn’t sign him to more in year 1 that Time Lord’s cap hold if we’re committed to cap space.

That said, I’d prefer Williams.

A sign and trade for Thompson makes the most sense to me (we would need the additional salary I would think).  We start Horford and Markkanen together.  Or Markannen and RWilliams I guess.  Doesn't really matter to me which (Horford or Markkanen) is the PF.  Both are kind of hybrid PF/C bigs.

But that’s not going to make sense to Chicago.

Chicago traded away Aminu and Young in the DeRozan deal and with this would lose Markkanen.  Plus they lost Theis.  They need some big depth.  Thompson can provide that.  Probably Thompson, GWilliams, and a future pick could get it there.  I know Chicago has taken on a lot of money and is going to be hesitant to take on more but do they really want to pay a pouty Markkanen $9M when he doesn't want to be there?  That is not good for anyone.  Should be a deal here that can work for all.

Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #1030 on: August 06, 2021, 12:58:34 PM »

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Baynes was a large negative contributor for the Raptors last year. Not sure he has much left in the tank. He might be done.

Even without the injury risk, I am not sure any team should be counting on him as a rotation player anymore. A 3rd stringer who can give you some physical post D against power centers. Not good for much else.

As much as I love Baynes, I agree. He's not a very good rebounder, is injury-prone, nearly 35 and would be our 4th best big.

I'm with yas on this. Just a nope.

How about we grab Nick Kay instead.

Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #1031 on: August 06, 2021, 01:45:30 PM »

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If we went after him I'd want us to trade Timelord. Lauri is better suited to the 5 and really improved his shooting efficiency

That would be the most sensible thing, although we oughtn’t sign him to more in year 1 that Time Lord’s cap hold if we’re committed to cap space.

That said, I’d prefer Williams.

A sign and trade for Thompson makes the most sense to me (we would need the additional salary I would think).  We start Horford and Markkanen together.  Or Markannen and RWilliams I guess.  Doesn't really matter to me which (Horford or Markkanen) is the PF.  Both are kind of hybrid PF/C bigs.

But that’s not going to make sense to Chicago.

Chicago traded away Aminu and Young in the DeRozan deal and with this would lose Markkanen.  Plus they lost Theis.  They need some big depth.  Thompson can provide that.  Probably Thompson, GWilliams, and a future pick could get it there.  I know Chicago has taken on a lot of money and is going to be hesitant to take on more but do they really want to pay a pouty Markkanen $9M when he doesn't want to be there?  That is not good for anyone.  Should be a deal here that can work for all.

What I find kind of funny is Chicago not wanting to pay Markkanen sizeable money because he failed to play the PF position at a good enough level to justify that money yet ... the idea here is for Boston to pay that money for Markkanen to play the exact same role he failed at in Chicago here in Boston.

Why would Markkanen be more successful as a PF in Boston than he was in Chicago?

What do you see him as a PF? Do you see him as a star talent? A third star behind Tatum and Jaylen? Or do you see him as a role player who has size and can shoot similar to Ryan Anderson? Markkanen showed he couldn't be the first (star) but was able to be the 2nd (role player) while with the Bulls.

What I am asking is, why should we expect more from Markkanen in Boston while playing the same role?

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« Reply #1032 on: August 06, 2021, 02:13:51 PM »

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If we went after him I'd want us to trade Timelord. Lauri is better suited to the 5 and really improved his shooting efficiency

That would be the most sensible thing, although we oughtn’t sign him to more in year 1 that Time Lord’s cap hold if we’re committed to cap space.

That said, I’d prefer Williams.

A sign and trade for Thompson makes the most sense to me (we would need the additional salary I would think).  We start Horford and Markkanen together.  Or Markannen and RWilliams I guess.  Doesn't really matter to me which (Horford or Markkanen) is the PF.  Both are kind of hybrid PF/C bigs.

But that’s not going to make sense to Chicago.

Chicago traded away Aminu and Young in the DeRozan deal and with this would lose Markkanen.  Plus they lost Theis.  They need some big depth.  Thompson can provide that.  Probably Thompson, GWilliams, and a future pick could get it there.  I know Chicago has taken on a lot of money and is going to be hesitant to take on more but do they really want to pay a pouty Markkanen $9M when he doesn't want to be there?  That is not good for anyone.  Should be a deal here that can work for all.

What I find kind of funny is Chicago not wanting to pay Markkanen sizeable money because he failed to play the PF position at a good enough level to justify that money yet ... the idea here is for Boston to pay that money for Markkanen to play the exact same role he failed at in Chicago here in Boston.

Why would Markkanen be more successful as a PF in Boston than he was in Chicago?

What do you see him as a PF? Do you see him as a star talent? A third star behind Tatum and Jaylen? Or do you see him as a role player who has size and can shoot similar to Ryan Anderson? Markkanen showed he couldn't be the first (star) but was able to be the 2nd (role player) while with the Bulls.

What I am asking is, why should we expect more from Markkanen in Boston while playing the same role?

Markkanen has had a very strange trajectory.  After putting up 19/9 as a starter in 2018/19, he has gone down to where this season, he was coming off the bench and appeared to be in some kind of a mental funk.  He still managed 13/5 in 26 min which even as his worst year of his career, is still better than anything any PF has done on the Celtics in a while.  Oh, and he shot 40% from 3 on almost 6 attempts.

Now I don't know exactly what happened between 2018 and 2021 but there was COVID and all that.  SAS is known as a smart franchise and they reported to have offered him 3 years / $39 M.  The structure that I proposed was essentially a 1 year deal while trading a couple of players that are not much help to us.  I feel there is a decent chance that he can be a say 17 pts, 8 reb player and go up from there.  A Porzingis type of player, given a new team and being inspired by Tatum and Brown.  But even a worst case floor of say 14 pts and 6 rebs with 40% 3 pt shooting is an improvement over our current PF rotation.  And best case is a 20/10 fringe all star at the PF position.

If he was to accept a contract structured the way I propose, there is not much risk for either party and plenty of upside for either party.  If his goal is to play this year to reset his value, Boston would be a great opportunity.  We have a glaring hole at PF and he would get to play with 2 young all stars.  How could the situation be better for him?


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« Reply #1033 on: August 06, 2021, 02:18:52 PM »

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It’s Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt. But it makes sense and has been rumored before. If we can get him on a one year, “make good” kind of deal, why not? That’s a win-win for both sides and really would help us this year to remain competitive.
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« Reply #1034 on: August 06, 2021, 02:37:13 PM »

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To me, Schroder only makes sense if we have other plans for Smart, and that may well be the case.  Otherwise, isn't he very much like Smart?  Do people think he is better than Smart?