Moses Brown trade irritating

[Jiri Welsch]

Well, we are thin at the center spot again.


If we are counting on Horford and TIMELORD to be healthy all season we might need a little rethink. I guess this will be another wheel-spinning season like last year.

Now I really don’t like the Tristan Thompson trade. So we have Al, The often injured Timelord and.... Grant Williams/Tacko? SMH.better be more moves to come. Poor depth at C and no depth at PF.

Not that this changes your legitimate point (i.e. we need a solid 3rd big because Horford is old and Timelord is injury prone) but the Celtics also got the kid Bruno Fernando from the Hawks this weekend in the Kris Dunn trade. He probably is more serviceable than Tacko and Grant at the 5.

[nickagneta]

Grant can provide some cover at the 5 as well. Not that I like his game, but he's still under contract.

Grant playing 5 is laughable but it would help us as far as our draft pick would land.   He can't rebound,  can't rim protect and can only guard, Joker ( who is as slow as him) and Bam (who still puts up great stats on him but he was the best we had against him).   He has had a few flashes but we are literally taking a handful of games and not a meaninful ability to play the Five.

The guy is not playing in summer league because he would be completely exposed.  His future lies in China or Europe.   Hopefully, he is dealt and soon but who would want him.  Improving on him is not going to be difficult.   He is a block waiting in the post but of course, has worked and is a decent three point shooter.   Trouble, is he can't guard people except in the most situational circumstances.   Too slow to cover wings, too small to cover bigs.

One theme consistent in Brad's deal is he is getting some size every guy he has traded for has decent size.  Dunn and Richardson are not small guards.   Fernado and Brown were not small bigs.   I hope the days of small guards who are massive defensive liabilities are gone.   Death to small ball!   The rest of the league has moved on.   It is a tactic to use at times but one's team should not be built with that in end.   

Also, these guys are have good length and are athletes to some degree.  Dunn has always been hurt.

Fernado is  6'9" Wingspan: 7’4.25″  Bruno Fernando reached at height of 11 feet and 7.5 inches at the Standing Vertical  test at the combine.    Fernando was great in drills among centers, ranking first in the shuttle run (3.05), three quarter spring (3.21) and max bench press (13 reps), while ranking second in lane agility (11.29) and third in standing vertical (29.5) and max vertical (33.5).   Now he has not shown much but he is a big strong guy.  He also averaged 2 APG in college.    Do I think he is a star in the making nope but it very probable that he could be a better option at backup five than Grant who is situational at best and nonconvertible at the worst.

Dunn has excellent size Height: 6’4″, Weight 220 lbs., Vertical Reach: 8’4″, Wingspan: 6’10" at the combine.

Richardson 6'6" with a reported 6'10" wingspan.

I think Stevens did not like a lot of the pieces that Ainge gave him folks.   He is jettisoning them off at a quick rate.

The guy currently running the Celtics, who played Grant a ton his first two years, hasn't traded away Grant. If the argument is because Grant is so bad, no one would take him in a trade, then you gotta wonder why Stevens hasn't just released and stretched Grant.

Or could it be that Stevens actually thinks Grant is a great role player that is still ridiculously young and will develop more as a player. Could be that Brad Stevens has a much higher opinion of Grant and his game than you do.

[Goldstar88]

Grant can provide some cover at the 5 as well. Not that I like his game, but he's still under contract.

Grant playing 5 is laughable but it would help us as far as our draft pick would land.   He can't rebound,  can't rim protect and can only guard, Joker ( who is as slow as him) and Bam (who still puts up great stats on him but he was the best we had against him).   He has had a few flashes but we are literally taking a handful of games and not a meaninful ability to play the Five. 

The guy is not playing in summer league because he would be completely exposed.  His future lies in China or Europe.   Hopefully, he is dealt and soon but who would want him.  Improving on him is not going to be difficult.   He is a block waiting in the post but of course, has worked and is a decent three point shooter.   Trouble, is he can't guard people except in the most situational circumstances.   Too slow to cover wings, too small to cover bigs.

One theme consistent in Brad's deal is he is getting some size every guy he has traded for has decent size.  Dunn and Richardson are not small guards.   Fernado and Brown were not small bigs.   I hope the days of small guards who are massive defensive liabilities are gone.   Death to small ball!   The rest of the league has moved on.   It is a tactic to use at times but one's team should not be built with that in end.   

Also, these guys are have good length and are athletes to some degree.  Dunn has always been hurt.

Fernado is  6'9" Wingspan: 7’4.25″  Bruno Fernando reached at height of 11 feet and 7.5 inches at the Standing Vertical  test at the combine.    Fernando was great in drills among centers, ranking first in the shuttle run (3.05), three quarter spring (3.21) and max bench press (13 reps), while ranking second in lane agility (11.29) and third in standing vertical (29.5) and max vertical (33.5).   Now he has not shown much but he is a big strong guy.  He also averaged 2 APG in college.    Do I think he is a star in the making nope but it very probable that he could be a better option at backup five than Grant who is situational at best and nonconvertible at the worst.

Dunn has excellent size Height: 6’4″, Weight 220 lbs., Vertical Reach: 8’4″, Wingspan: 6’10" at the combine.

Richardson 6'6" with a reported 6'10" wingspan.

I think Stevens did not like a lot of the pieces that Ainge gave him folks.   He is jettisoning them off at a quick rate.

Grant is 1000% a small ball five.  Given als age and robs injury history, looks like he’ll get his chance and I think that’s a good thing.

Yeah, can’t wait to see Grant Williams match up against Embiid, Lopez, Sabonis, Turner, Vucevic, Capela, etc. 

[Goldstar88]

Well, we are thin at the center spot again.


If we are counting on Horford and TIMELORD to be healthy all season we might need a little rethink. I guess this will be another wheel-spinning season like last year.

Now I really don’t like the Tristan Thompson trade. So we have Al, The often injured Timelord and.... Grant Williams/Tacko? SMH.better be more moves to come. Poor depth at C and no depth at PF.

Not that this changes your legitimate point (i.e. we need a solid 3rd big because Horford is old and Timelord is injury prone) but the Celtics also got the kid Bruno Fernando from the Hawks this weekend in the Kris Dunn trade. He probably is more serviceable than Tacko and Grant at the 5.

Fernando is a PF and he’s atrocious from 3pt and shoots 50% from the FT line. As much as it pains me to say, the C’s would probably be better off with Grant Williams...

[tenn_smoothie]

The team hasn't had a frontcourt. Baynes played two seasons. Ainge just lost his mind over Anthony Davis completely moondog lost it.

He is still talking about AD in his sleep. Davis wasn't ever coming here and Ainge still set up the team to get him and never had plan B.

That is my concept on why the team hasn't had a frontcourt.

From Garnett and Perkins with Cigars and champagne to absolutely nuthin.

Ainge played with one of the greatest frontcourts of all time and was trained by Auerbach who built most of the greatest frontcourts of all time...not like he doesn't know what one looks like.

I think Brown will eventually become an above average backup center in the NBA. No Idea if IME will be stoked about Thompson and Moses as they are trad centers. This issue would be resolved if Robert could stay on the court.

I have fewer problems with Moses Brown's game than some, but, yes, he can't shoot from outside and he is behind three other bigs...right?
 

Well said.

The proof that Danny hates bigs and thinks they have limited value was when he gutted our title group by trading Perk for a soft, "athletic" wing because he thought we needed to keep up with Miami. Until Ainge dealt Perk to OKC, our frontcourt was the one advantage we had over Miami and everyone else. I will always believe that trading Kendrick Perkins cost the Celts Banner #18 that season.

If Brad thinks we can rely on Rob Williams to stay healthy, he hasn't been paying attention.

[tenn_smoothie]

Would like to see us nab a veteran 3rd string big man. Alex Len would be ideal for that role

We need a strong 3rd string center to play behind old man Horford and injury prone Rob Williams. That 3rd stringer is going to be asked to play A LOT more than most 3rd stringers.

He needs to be one of the best 3rd string centers in the league.

Dwight Howard?

Dwight would be awesome but he shouldn't accept being a 3rd string center. He is still a well above average primary backup center coming off back to back strong seasons for Philly and LAL.

Enough candidates out there to get someone interesting. Just got to be opportunistic to get the one that other teams overlook and do not pay enough attention to.

We had that guy (Brown) and just traded him away. Is our aversion to big post players going to continue ? When will they learn ?

[Boss_D]

Instead of Carsen Edwards.. they traded Moses Brown.. I guess Carsen Edwards will be celtics 3rd string Center .

[ozgod]

There's no need to slit wrists yet...it's not like we traded away Young Moses Malone (yes I know he hung a 21/23 game on us). Yes we want tall people to play the game of basketball the way it was originally meant to be played. But thankfully we still have depth in that position.

Ball Handlers: Smart, Pritchard, Dunn, (Waters?)
Wings: Tatum, Brown, Nesmith, Langford, Richardson, Edwards
Bigs: Horford, R. Williams, G. Williams, Parker, Fernando, (Fall?)

I'm more worried about our depth at ball handler. We're one Smartacus injury away from being in big trouble. I don't know if we're allowed to give Waters (and Tacko at that) another 2 way contract or do they age out of it? I guess Josh could fill in that role if needed but still. I hope Brad does something about that.

[ozgod]

Instead of Carsen Edwards.. they traded Moses Brown.. I guess Carsen Edwards will be celtics 3rd string Center .

You assume that someone wanted Carsen Edwards? 

[tarheelsxxiii]

At least it wasn't a Moses Moody trade

edit: JK 

[Jvalin]

Ball Handlers: Smart, Pritchard, Dunn, (Waters?)
Wings: Tatum, Brown, Nesmith, Langford, Richardson, Edwards
Bigs: Horford, R. Williams, G. Williams, Parker, Fernando, (Fall?)

We've already signed Sam Hauser to a 2-way contract. According to rumors, Waters wants a fresh start with a new team. From what I understand, Tacko is happy to stay, but we haven't informed him yet whether we plan to keep him.

Personally speaking, I'd keep Semi. He's a useful 3+D swing.

Ball handlers: Smart, Pritchard, Dunn, Edwards
Wings: Brown, JRich, Nesmith, Romeo
Swings: Tatum, Jabari, Semi, (Hauser)
Bigs: Horford, Timelord, Grant, Fernando

[Birdman]

Ball Handlers: Smart, Pritchard, Dunn, (Waters?)
Wings: Tatum, Brown, Nesmith, Langford, Richardson, Edwards
Bigs: Horford, R. Williams, G. Williams, Parker, Fernando, (Fall?)

We've already signed Sam Hauser to a 2-way contract. According to rumors, Waters wants a fresh start with a new team. From what I understand, Tacko is happy to stay, but we haven't informed him yet whether we plan to keep him.

Personally speaking, I'd keep Semi. He's a useful 3+D swing.

Ball handlers: Smart, Pritchard, Dunn, Edwards
Wings: Brown, JRich, Nesmith, Romeo
Swings: Tatum, Jabari, Semi, (Hauser)
Bigs: Horford, Timelord, Grant, Fernando

Another 1st round exit with this group as is…

[Surferdad]

So in effect, our 1st round pick turned into Josh Richardson.  I’m OK with that.

[Csfan1984]

So in effect, our 1st round pick turned into Josh Richardson.  I’m OK with that.

So is it a 1st and Kemba for Horford, Richardson and a 2nd? Kind of wish we had Kemba and TM3 instead. Beal better happen.

[Surferdad]

So in effect, our 1st round pick turned into Josh Richardson.  I’m OK with that.

So is it a 1st and Kemba for Horford, Richardson and a 2nd? Kind of wish we had Kemba and TM3 instead. Beal better happen.

Just the way I look at now, it was basically Kemba for Horford.  Brown and the 2nd were never the point of the trade (so all the moaning in this thread about ‘losing’ Brown is puzzling).  The price to take on the Kemba contract was a 1st round pick which in turn was compensated by taking back Brown who turned into Richardson. It’s just the way I view the deal.