Moses Brown trade irritating

[Surferdad]

Correction in bold:

I don't get all the worrying over Moses Brown.  As said above, the main trade was Kemba for Horford and save a bunch of money.  The saved money gives us flexibility to be able to consider a S&T acquisition while still dealing with the hard cap.  There was no option for this without the trade.

Moses Brown comes to us along with a chance to avoid paying a 1st round contract in exchange for the #16 pick (I am ignoring the 2nd round picks).  This transaction will also save on the cap (about $1M).  I am sure there will be a long running "what if" debate about this pick but I think it is pretty clear that a player coming off a fairly nice NBA season is likely to contribute more to the Celtics over the next couple of seasons than a rookie would.  No way to know for sure, but this me, this is a reasonable play by the Celtics.

Now as to Moses Brown's ceiling, we know that at age 21, he played 43 games, started 32 and put up 8.6 pts and 8.9 rebs.  To me, that says the floor is 9 pts/9 Rebs, some are saying that is the ceiling.  Rob Williams, who is 6 inches smaller and 2 years older, has not produced that.  Tristan's best season was 12 pts/10 rebs but was around the 9/9 mark most of his career (in generally more minutes).

I believe that Moses Brown is going to be a useful player for us next season.  I also believe that Thompson and/or Williams will be traded.

Avoiding that 1st rounder contract is a bonus in this deal that is mostly ignored in discussing this trade.  Some people are comparing Moses Brown to what could be available at #16, but that's not the whole story.  In my opinion, the better comp is what could be available at #16 as compared to Aaron Nesmith.  Celtics simply didn't need another young guy with a 3-year guaranteed $30M 1st round contract.
https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2020/11/22/2020-21-nba-rookie-scale-contract-first-round-picks/

Not sure where you are getting $30M from. By your chart, the #16 pick is slated for 3yrs/$8M (and essentially 8-9 yrs of control). Teams don't typically trade mid-round 1sts just to get out of the guaranteed money. That #16 pick is worth 2-3 later 1sts and is being vastly underrated as a throw-in for the Kemba/Horford deal.

I am very much hopeful that Moses will become a player for us, but I am not going to pretend he had #16 value. Typically, we would have to include a pick in the #22-26 range to get off of Kemba, but our pick was 'so good' that OKC needed to contribute more. Let's hope this really works out for us. Moses is an intriguing prospect for sure - still lots of potential there.

From a calculator run by a human (me).  I stand corrected, it's about $8.2M for the first 3 years, guaranteed.

[liam]

Moses breakdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXnSOAMR9zA

[tstorey_97]

Moses breakdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXnSOAMR9zA

Moses Brown = taller than everyone else on the court + good hustle

All of his highlights are lots of effort and how many guys in the NBA are 7'2" and on top of that have a 7'3" wingspan? Look at all of his oops and dunks and assorted offensive rebounds, all of the guys underneath just stand there and watch him....he's longer than all of them.

Good backup center...BTW be nice if Robert stayed healthy this season maybe Brown can back him up once in awhile.

[Silas]

Would be fun to watch Rob and Moses on the floor together.  Of course, the Cs would have the game in hand and getting ready to put the scrubs in to finish. 

[Roy H.]

Would be fun to watch Rob and Moses on the floor together.  Of course, the Cs would have the game in hand and getting ready to put the scrubs in to finish.

Tacko and Moses as the dual victory cigars.  14'7".

[liam]

Moses breakdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXnSOAMR9zA

Moses Brown = taller than everyone else on the court + good hustle

All of his highlights are lots of effort and how many guys in the NBA are 7'2" and on top of that have a 7'3" wingspan? Look at all of his oops and dunks and assorted offensive rebounds, all of the guys underneath just stand there and watch him....he's longer than all of them.

Good backup center...BTW be nice if Robert stayed healthy this season maybe Brown can back him up once in awhile.

Moses Brown is a role player but a hard worker. We could've used his hustle and energy off the bench last year.

[gouki88]

Would be fun to watch Rob and Moses on the floor together.  Of course, the Cs would have the game in hand and getting ready to put the scrubs in to finish.

Tacko and Moses as the dual victory cigars.  14'7".

You reckon Moses could stand on Tacko’s shoulders like gymnasts?

[SHAQATTACK]

Moses breakdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXnSOAMR9zA

Moses Brown = taller than everyone else on the court + good hustle

All of his highlights are lots of effort and how many guys in the NBA are 7'2" and on top of that have a 7'3" wingspan? Look at all of his oops and dunks and assorted offensive rebounds, all of the guys underneath just stand there and watch him....he's longer than all of them.

Good backup center...BTW be nice if Robert stayed healthy this season maybe Brown can back him up once in awhile.

If our current roster of centers could remain healthy for a full season , I feel certain this team could be one of the most dominant teams offensively in the league .  No question in my mind Moses will make a difference, the huge question remains can Timelord finish a season as a healthy player ? 

[Tr1boy]

Go Moses!

Fantastic find by Brad

[Surferdad]

Would be fun to watch Rob and Moses on the floor together.  Of course, the Cs would have the game in hand and getting ready to put the scrubs in to finish.

Tacko and Moses as the dual victory cigars.  14'7".

You reckon Moses could stand on Tacko’s shoulders like gymnasts?

Is it against the rules to stand on a teammate's shoulders?

[spikelovetheCelts]

Danny had a preference for guys who could play further than six feet from the basket.  Even with that said, he did draft Robert Williams.

The retro active narrative about how Brad was pushing for size kind of cracks me up. Brad didn’t use Kanter effectively, and Greg Monroe barely played.  That’s because as a coach Brad did not like traditional centers.

I agree that Brad seems to prefer guys who play away from the basket, but how exactly do you use Kanter effectively?  A lot of people talked about how he thrived with the Blazers as an indictment on Brad, but what happened in the playoffs?

Not to mention, Monroe played 19 minute a game in his half season in Boston, then 11 minutes with Toronto (and a few games in Boston and Philly) the following season, and then has been out of the NBA the last two years.  Monroe played a fair amount, but the NBA game passed him by.

Sure, but if that's the case, then why do we expect Moses Brown to be much better than Monroe in an even more modern NBA game?

IMO they are vastly different types of players as Monroe’s weaknesses outweighed his strengths where as Moses looks to be the opposite. Long athletic defensive minded centres still hold value in today’s NBA. In saying that watching clips of Moses, I doubt he’ll contribute much next season for the Celtics outside of the G-League, as he is still extremely raw and would be a foul machine if he played important nba minutes (there’s a reason he went undrafted).

Moses is past Gleague.  He will be ready after this offseason. He is a hard worker.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Moses went undrafted but was the 15th best recruit in the country in 2018. Higher than Darius Garland, Tyler Herro Coby white. Nesmith who we have was 69. Jaxson Hayes was 89.
He has 20 rebounds in a half he is going to be a good player.
He also works hard. He will learn to move laterally better he can get up quick.
I am excited for him. I hope Al can play some 4 with him and Williams.
He will easily be a 9,9,2 player at the low level.

[SHAQATTACK]

Go Moses!

Fantastic find by Brad

I was as smitten as Brad watching him handle the Celtics at OKC .  I can bet ya , Pat Riley is ripe with jealousy over this move.

[gouki88]

Go Moses!

Fantastic find by Brad

Should've chosen #8 so we could have Brown's at 7 and 8

[Ed Monix]

 Let me explain why. Listening to an OKC thunder podcast and the guy doing the video was a rational fan, explaining he did think moses was the starter this year and possibly down the road, and was genuinely surprised they traded him.

 Also said he was a monster on the boards with solid upside. All good things to hear.

 The issue here is that all the years we have had no size or severely undersized bigs. Not one time Danny couldn't find an under the radar big who had legit size and was a borderline starting center or Good back up?

 This was a very telling trade IMO, for  Brad's first trade. I think he addressed one of his biggest frustrations as the coach.