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Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2021, 06:16:34 PM »

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T-Wolves, Chicago, Orlando....

Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2021, 06:21:24 PM »

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T-Wolves, Chicago, Orlando....

All have better bench players.
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Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2021, 06:23:54 PM »

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T-Wolves, Chicago, Orlando....

All have better bench players.

Really? I guess it depends on how you define better....

Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2021, 06:40:12 PM »

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Ok, but isn't "the bench" the rotation players with the most minutes?

Walker
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Theis

Robert
Thompson
Pritchard
Semi

Taking a snapshot is funny because you get stuff like..

The Hawks have Gallinari on their bench!
Who was 5 for 29 in the "first two" games with Boston.

Anyways, I agree that the bench isn't much, but, setting up a bench is luck and everybody knows it.

Ainge has hit on some bench players over the years, but it is luck.

Teague looks like a flop and Shane Larkin was pretty good.

I guess you can blame some of this bench gaak on the

Irving - Hayward - Horford - Brown - Davis

Shot that Ainge took.

I think Semi has been a good bench player, Robert has broken out, so he'll be a starter and Pritchard has a ways to go. 

Grant has regressed and Thompson hasn't been here long enough.

Just be careful with "regret" it'll kill ya...better to assume "It can't get much worse than this"



Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2021, 06:40:48 PM »

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Bench has not been what has cost us most games. They haven't won or saved many games, but most of our losses are due to Kemba struggling since he returned, JT struggling since he had corona, and JB's inconsistency in the last few weeks.

Those guys play like we expect them to and we're near the top of the EC.

Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2021, 06:41:06 PM »

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Here are some of the "contenders" in this category



Pistons

- Svi Mykhailiuk
- Saddiq Bey
- Josh Jackson
- Sekou Doumbouya
- Isaiah Stewart


Cavaliers

- Damyean Dotson
- Cedi Osman
- Dylan Windler
- Taurean Prince
- Jarrett Allen


Timberwolves

- Jordan McLaughlin
- Jarrett Culver
- Jarred Vanderbilt
- Jaden McDaniels
- Naz Reid



I think it's hard to argue that the Celts' bench is better than any of these teams.  The Celts bench has less in the way of lottery talent and has a similar lack of experience.

The really profound thing that's noticeable about the Celts bench is the lack of proven ability to score at the NBA level.  Once upon a time Jeff Teague could create a decent shot at the NBA level, but that day is clearly well in the past.


Right now the Celts would be vastly improved if they had Jordan Crawford, Evan Turner, and Jared Sullinger circa 2014-2015 on this bench.  Tells you a lot.

Sorry, but are you trolling or have you made a 180° turn?

Everybody has the right to change his mind, but I went through some of your preseason posts and they are completely different than the vibe you're giving now. What has changed?


48 wins

Kemba will miss a good number of games due to managing his knee and what not, but the Celts have continuity that the other top East teams don't right now.  They're also led by a couple young stars who won't be as fazed by the condensed schedule.

Other East teams will also have to load manage their top guys and will have some ups and down integrating new core pieces.

2 seed.

Yes, I think the Celtics can have a top 5 defense and a top 5 offense with those three at the heart of the team, and I think Tatum can mature enough as a crunch time scorer to take over / win games when the Celts need him to. 

Tatum and Brown have already proven they are very solid #1 and #2 scoring options even in the playoffs.  Main thing to improve on is crunch time execution.

Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2021, 06:42:15 PM »

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T-Wolves, Chicago, Orlando....

All have better bench players.

Really? I guess it depends on how you define better....

I would define  better players as those that can help their team win games.

Chicago has Otto Porter Jr and Thad Young

Orlando has Terrance Ross and Cole Anthony

Minnesota has Reid, Culver, and Hernangomez

Who’s the first guy off the C’s bench, Grant Williams?  ???
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Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2021, 07:09:35 PM »

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Sorry, but are you trolling or have you made a 180° turn?

Everybody has the right to change his mind, but I went through some of your preseason posts and they are completely different than the vibe you're giving now. What has changed?


48 wins

Kemba will miss a good number of games due to managing his knee and what not, but the Celts have continuity that the other top East teams don't right now.  They're also led by a couple young stars who won't be as fazed by the condensed schedule.

Other East teams will also have to load manage their top guys and will have some ups and down integrating new core pieces.

2 seed.

Yes, I think the Celtics can have a top 5 defense and a top 5 offense with those three at the heart of the team, and I think Tatum can mature enough as a crunch time scorer to take over / win games when the Celts need him to. 

Tatum and Brown have already proven they are very solid #1 and #2 scoring options even in the playoffs.  Main thing to improve on is crunch time execution.

TP for making me face up to my words of just a few months ago.

You're totally right --- I was optimistic that the Celts could have a strong start to the year given the short window of time between their impressive playoff run and the beginning of this condensed season.

I was focused on the fact that the main guys that mattered were still here -- Tatum, Brown, Smart, Kemba, Theis. 

The starting lineup of the team that just made the ECF.


I also thought that Jeff Teague could be a better fit than Brad Wanamaker, and I thought Tristan Thompson would give them much of what Enes Kanter gave them but without the hologram-esque defense.


I agree --- I was too optimistic.  I didn't expect Teague to be totally washed.  I thought Thompson would be a better fit (his assist rate had increased a lot in his later years in Cleveland). 

I thought that Nesmith would at least be able to come in and be a shooter off the bench for 10-15 minutes a night even if he wasn't able to do much else.  I figured that would be a minor upgrade over Semi. 

I thought Grant Williams was going to show some steady growth after getting meaningful playoff minutes.

I thought Rob Williams would have carved out more of a consistent role by now.

I knew Kemba was going to miss time to start the year; I wasn't that worried about how he'd play once he came back.  I figured he would rest a lot and play limited minutes compared to last season, but I thought that he would look pretty much like he did in the playoffs last season.  Instead, he's been very up and down and clearly doesn't look the same as before (still uncertain if that's permanent or not).


As you see in what you quoted, I also thought that Tatum and Brown would show growth and improvement as crunch time scorers.  I thought that would carry the Celts past some tough opponents in some tight games.

How many games have the Celts lost this season so far that were within a couple possessions in the final minutes?  I feel if anything they're actually worse in crunch time this season, somehow.  Very disappointing.


Of course, I think a lot of what I was optimistic about is still true.  The core of this team is very good.  Problem is that the 5 guys who started playoff games last season have spent about 30 minutes total on the floor together this season even though we're almost halfway through the year.  It's no surprise, then, that they're much worse than I thought, since I figured they would be a team with a very good starting lineup and a trick or treat bench.


In fairness to my past self, the Celts did start 8-3.  A lot of what I thought would go right was going right at the start of the season.  But the injuries, the lack of depth, Tatum getting COVID, and the two veteran additions just not being very good / not fitting in as well as expected have taken a toll.

That, and I think having a deep playoff run and then playing a condensed schedule, on top of everything else, is probably wearing out these guys more than I expected it would, even though they are young.
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Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2021, 09:15:09 PM »

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Ugh, you know what team had a better bench?


The 2014 Celtics


Jerryd Bayless
Courtney Lee
Gerald Wallace
Kelly Olynyk
Kris Humphries


Scary thought.
Can't believe I'm saying this but I wouldn't mind having Olynyk back. Safe to say he'd be a massive upgrade on G Will & Semi.

Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2021, 09:25:17 PM »

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Is there a team in the NBA with a worse bench than: Teague, Timelord, Semi, Pritchard, Grant Williams, Green, Waters, Edwards, Tacko?

Teague Has been bad for the most part, Timelord is getting better, but still raw, Pritchard and Nesmith are rookies. GWilliams, Waters, Edwards, Tacko and Green all belong in the G-League. It’s no wonder Jayson and Jaylen look defeated out there. They have no help.
You've left off a player unless Boston all of a sudden can start 6 player i.e. Walker, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Theis, and Thompson
2025 Historical Draft - Cleveland Cavaliers - 1st pick

Starters - Luka, JB, Lebron, Wemby, Shaq
Rotation - D. Daniels, Mitchell, G. Wallace, Melo, Noah
Deep Bench - Korver, Turner

Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2021, 09:30:55 PM »

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Assuming we add in the player that was left out of the initial thread then I'd certainly take Boston's bench over Golden State's. 

GS bench
Damion Lee
Brad Wanamaker
Erick Paschall
Kent Bazemore
Juan Toscano-Anderson
Kevon Looney
Mychal Mulder
Jordan Poole
Nico Mannion
Marquese Chriss

That bench is worse than Boston's. 

Dallas is pretty bad also
Maxi Kleber
Jalen Brunson
James Johnson
Willie Cauley-Stein
Trey Burke
Dwight Powell
Wesley Iwundu
Josh Green
Boban Marjanovic
Tyrell Terry
Tyler Bey
Nate Hinton

Oklahoma City is a pile of dung as well
Theo Maledon
Hamidou Diallo
Isaiah Roby
Mike Muscala
Kenrich Williams
Aleksej Pokusevski
Justin Jackson
Darius Miller
Josh Hall
Moses Brown
2025 Historical Draft - Cleveland Cavaliers - 1st pick

Starters - Luka, JB, Lebron, Wemby, Shaq
Rotation - D. Daniels, Mitchell, G. Wallace, Melo, Noah
Deep Bench - Korver, Turner

Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2021, 10:05:43 PM »

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Assuming we add in the player that was left out of the initial thread then I'd certainly take Boston's bench over Golden State's. 

GS bench
Damion Lee
Brad Wanamaker
Erick Paschall
Kent Bazemore
Juan Toscano-Anderson
Kevon Looney
Mychal Mulder
Jordan Poole
Nico Mannion
Marquese Chriss

That bench is worse than Boston's. 

Dallas is pretty bad also
Maxi Kleber
Jalen Brunson
James Johnson
Willie Cauley-Stein
Trey Burke
Dwight Powell
Wesley Iwundu
Josh Green
Boban Marjanovic
Tyrell Terry
Tyler Bey
Nate Hinton

Oklahoma City is a pile of dung as well
Theo Maledon
Hamidou Diallo
Isaiah Roby
Mike Muscala
Kenrich Williams
Aleksej Pokusevski
Justin Jackson
Darius Miller
Josh Hall
Moses Brown

The Bench player that was left off the list? Do you mean Tristan Thompson, since he will be on the bench once Smart comes back. Also, disagree with your assessment of the benches for the Warriors, Mavs and OKC. They are better than Boston’s.

Paschall, Bazemore, Looney, and Chriss are solid bench players for GS

Kleeber, Brunson, Cauly-Stein, Powell, Burke, are solid bench players for Dallas

Diallo and Muscala are solid bench players for OKC.

Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2021, 10:21:35 PM »

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Assuming we add in the player that was left out of the initial thread then I'd certainly take Boston's bench over Golden State's. 

GS bench
Damion Lee
Brad Wanamaker
Erick Paschall
Kent Bazemore
Juan Toscano-Anderson
Kevon Looney
Mychal Mulder
Jordan Poole
Nico Mannion
Marquese Chriss

That bench is worse than Boston's. 

Dallas is pretty bad also
Maxi Kleber
Jalen Brunson
James Johnson
Willie Cauley-Stein
Trey Burke
Dwight Powell
Wesley Iwundu
Josh Green
Boban Marjanovic
Tyrell Terry
Tyler Bey
Nate Hinton

Oklahoma City is a pile of dung as well
Theo Maledon
Hamidou Diallo
Isaiah Roby
Mike Muscala
Kenrich Williams
Aleksej Pokusevski
Justin Jackson
Darius Miller
Josh Hall
Moses Brown

The Bench player that was left off the list? Do you mean Tristan Thompson, since he will be on the bench once Smart comes back. Also, disagree with your assessment of the benches for the Warriors, Mavs and OKC. They are better than Boston’s.

Paschall, Bazemore, Looney, and Chriss are solid bench players for GS

Kleeber, Brunson, Cauly-Stein, Powell, Burke, are solid bench players for Dallas

Diallo and Muscala are solid bench players for OKC.
Chriss broke his leg and is out for the year, I just listed everyone that played for them this year

And sure those guys are ok, but so is Thompson, so is Williams, heck so is Semi.  Boston doesn't have a great bench, but you are acting like there aren't NBA caliber players on it and that just isn't true.  I'd absolutely take Boston's bench over those 3 teams.  wouldn't give it a second thought.
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Rotation - D. Daniels, Mitchell, G. Wallace, Melo, Noah
Deep Bench - Korver, Turner

Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2021, 10:34:20 PM »

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Assuming we add in the player that was left out of the initial thread then I'd certainly take Boston's bench over Golden State's. 

GS bench
Damion Lee
Brad Wanamaker
Erick Paschall
Kent Bazemore
Juan Toscano-Anderson
Kevon Looney
Mychal Mulder
Jordan Poole
Nico Mannion
Marquese Chriss

That bench is worse than Boston's. 

Dallas is pretty bad also
Maxi Kleber
Jalen Brunson
James Johnson
Willie Cauley-Stein
Trey Burke
Dwight Powell
Wesley Iwundu
Josh Green
Boban Marjanovic
Tyrell Terry
Tyler Bey
Nate Hinton

Oklahoma City is a pile of dung as well
Theo Maledon
Hamidou Diallo
Isaiah Roby
Mike Muscala
Kenrich Williams
Aleksej Pokusevski
Justin Jackson
Darius Miller
Josh Hall
Moses Brown

The Bench player that was left off the list? Do you mean Tristan Thompson, since he will be on the bench once Smart comes back. Also, disagree with your assessment of the benches for the Warriors, Mavs and OKC. They are better than Boston’s.

Paschall, Bazemore, Looney, and Chriss are solid bench players for GS

Kleeber, Brunson, Cauly-Stein, Powell, Burke, are solid bench players for Dallas

Diallo and Muscala are solid bench players for OKC.
Chriss broke his leg and is out for the year, I just listed everyone that played for them this year

And sure those guys are ok, but so is Thompson, so is Williams, heck so is Semi.  Boston doesn't have a great bench, but you are acting like there aren't NBA caliber players on it and that just isn't true.  I'd absolutely take Boston's bench over those 3 teams.  wouldn't give it a second thought.

 4 G-Leaguers, 2 Rookies..  I guess Thompson will be the best bench player? R Williams is getting better, Semi is still inconsistent.  I just don’t see see it.
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Re: Worst bench in the NBA?
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2021, 12:14:20 AM »

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Bench has not been what has cost us most games. They haven't won or saved many games, but most of our losses are due to Kemba struggling since he returned, JT struggling since he had corona, and JB's inconsistency in the last few weeks.

Those guys play like we expect them to and we're near the top of the EC.

Agreed.