Now DA should be on the hot seat

[jbpats]

Pacers reporter for the athletic has gone on record saying Hayward would have taken the hometown discount and Ainge was the reason the deal didn’t go through.

https://twitter.com/bigjimmurray?lang=en

This was my assumption all along and got crushed on this forum for even suggesting it. Hayward got compared to Antoine Walker and assumptions were made that 20 mil meant more to him then being with family when the dude is already worth 200+ million

How many reports since before he opted out suggested the deal was in place with Indy, that he wanted Indy? These weren’t beat reporters they were coming from credible insiders like Shams and Stein.

Green teamers need to stop drinking the Kool aid and realize the Celtics front office is broken and needs a change. Ainge royally screwed us by needing to “win” a trade.

Who cares if you don’t like Turner and McDermott they were assets and filled cap space that we can no longer fill. Losing Hayward for nothing is an abomination.

It’s sickening

Not exactly an objective source...

Maybe not objective but athletic reporters are credible, they’re not Twitter beat guys.

Are Stein and Shams no longer credible either? Why were their statements of Hayward wanting Indiana not credible to you?

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe just maybe Hayward had enough and settled for Charlotte? How long do you think Charlotte would have waited on him with that contract?
What if it was now or never and A trade was at a stalemate?

Hayward is a man of family and faith first. If you have 200 million in your bank account and faith and family were more important to you then basketball you wouldn’t consider a slight haircut to have those things for the next four years? His children’s children’s children children are already set for life.

[kraidstar]

And he just got Thompson.

Still wanna fire him?

Absolutely...TT didn’t suddenly make them the favorite for anything. At least Kanter was cheap.

He's probably the best defensive big man we've had since KG. It's a good acquisition.

Yeah keep trying to justify that everything’s fine. The fact that we haven’t had a decent big man since KG should tell you all you need to know.

Dunno man. I feel like we're in a pretty good spot. We were 2 choked games away from the finals last year,  and our two best players are still in their early 20's. And that was without Hayward.

We just filled our position of greatest need as well.

I don't really feel we should be panicking here.

[RodyTur10]

And he just got Thompson.

Still wanna fire him?

Tristian Thompson averaged 12 and 10 on arguably the worst team in the NBA. He is 29, an absolute liability at the end of the game with his FT shooting.

So yes, I’m still on board with firing DA.

I don't want to demand a firing of Ainge.
But there isn't much reason to be thrilled with Thompson.
Clearly Turner is the younger and superior player, if he was on the table in a S-and-T with the Pacers we lost value.

[Cman]

And he just got Thompson.

Still wanna fire him?

Tristian Thompson averaged 12 and 10 on arguably the worst team in the NBA. He is 29, an absolute liability at the end of the game with his FT shooting.

So yes, I’m still on board with firing DA

Incomplete.

You want to fire DA and hire.... who?

You all need to be thinking through the counterfactuals. If you fire DA, who do you bring aboard as the new GM? And since the team is so cruddy, as everyone who wants to fire DA seems to think... why would said GM want to come to Boston?

[tonydelk]

Pacers reporter for the athletic has gone on record saying Hayward would have taken the hometown discount and Ainge was the reason the deal didn’t go through.

https://twitter.com/bigjimmurray?lang=en

This was my assumption all along and got crushed on this forum for even suggesting it. Hayward got compared to Antoine Walker and assumptions were made that 20 mil meant more to him then being with family when the dude is already worth 200+ million

How many reports since before he opted out suggested the deal was in place with Indy, that he wanted Indy? These weren’t beat reporters they were coming from credible insiders like Shams and Stein.

Green teamers need to stop drinking the Kool aid and realize the Celtics front office is broken and needs a change. Ainge royally screwed us by needing to “win” a trade.

Who cares if you don’t like Turner and McDermott they were assets and filled cap space that we can no longer fill. Losing Hayward for nothing is an abomination.

It’s sickening

Not exactly an objective source...

Maybe not objective but athletic reporters are credible, they’re not Twitter beat guys.

Are Stein and Shams no longer credible either? Why were their statements of Hayward wanting Indiana not credible to you?

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe just maybe Hayward had enough and settled for Charlotte? How long do you think Charlotte would have waited on him with that contract?

Hayward is a man of family and faith first. If you have 200 million in your bank account and faith and family were more important to you then basketball you wouldn’t consider a slight haircut to have those things for the next four years? His children’s children’s children children are already set for life.

If the Pacers wanted GH that bad they would have given up more.  The package of McDermett and Turner wasn't great.  It probably kept the C's in luxury tax territory and just wasn't a good deal as constructed.  Also, If Hayward really wanted to play at home he'd have waited a bit longer.  Everyone is so [dang] one side it's funny.  Who cares the deal didn't work out.  Pritchard is the horses arse that dicked with Danny on the Paul George Deal.  I wouldn't do the deal with him unless he kissed the ring either.  He and Danny don't seem to work well together.  I'm glad GH got his money and has to play in the abyss in Charlotte.   At least his family is a short drive to the beach because that team is going no where, beating no one so collect your money and run.  The only person I blame for this situation is Hayward. 

[RodyTur10]

Pacers reporter for the athletic has gone on record saying Hayward would have taken the hometown discount and Ainge was the reason the deal didn’t go through.

https://twitter.com/bigjimmurray?lang=en

This was my assumption all along and got crushed on this forum for even suggesting it. Hayward got compared to Antoine Walker and assumptions were made that 20 mil meant more to him then being with family when the dude is already worth 200+ million

How many reports since before he opted out suggested the deal was in place with Indy, that he wanted Indy? These weren’t beat reporters they were coming from credible insiders like Shams and Stein.

Green teamers need to stop drinking the Kool aid and realize the Celtics front office is broken and needs a change. Ainge royally screwed us by needing to “win” a trade.

Who cares if you don’t like Turner and McDermott they were assets and filled cap space that we can no longer fill. Losing Hayward for nothing is an abomination.

It’s sickening

Not exactly an objective source...

Maybe not objective but athletic reporters are credible, they’re not Twitter beat guys.

Are Stein and Shams no longer credible either? Why were their statements of Hayward wanting Indiana not credible to you?

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe just maybe Hayward had enough and settled for Charlotte? How long do you think Charlotte would have waited on him with that contract?

Hayward is a man of family and faith first. If you have 200 million in your bank account and faith and family were more important to you then basketball you wouldn’t consider a slight haircut to have those things for the next four years? His children’s children’s children children are already set for life.

If the Pacers wanted GH that bad they would have given up more.  The package of McDermott and Turner wasn't great.  It probably kept the C's in luxury tax territory and just wasn't a good deal as constructed.  Also, If Hayward really wanted to play at home he'd have waited a bit longer.  Everyone is so [dang] one side it's funny.  Who cares the deal didn't work out.  Pritchard is the horses arse that dicked with Danny on the Paul George Deal.  I wouldn't do the deal with him unless he kissed the ring either.  He and Danny don't seem to work well together.  I'm glad GH got his money and has to play in the abyss in Charlotte.   At least his family is a short drive to the beach because that team is going no where, beating no one so collect your money and run.  The only person I blame for this situation is Hayward.

Turner would have been okay considering we now have nothing. He'd be retradeable and is a better player than Thompson.
We actually would have been just under the luxury tax with Turner + McDermott.
In some sense it fitted quite perfectly.

[jbpats]

Pacers reporter for the athletic has gone on record saying Hayward would have taken the hometown discount and Ainge was the reason the deal didn’t go through.

https://twitter.com/bigjimmurray?lang=en

This was my assumption all along and got crushed on this forum for even suggesting it. Hayward got compared to Antoine Walker and assumptions were made that 20 mil meant more to him then being with family when the dude is already worth 200+ million

How many reports since before he opted out suggested the deal was in place with Indy, that he wanted Indy? These weren’t beat reporters they were coming from credible insiders like Shams and Stein.

Green teamers need to stop drinking the Kool aid and realize the Celtics front office is broken and needs a change. Ainge royally screwed us by needing to “win” a trade.

Who cares if you don’t like Turner and McDermott they were assets and filled cap space that we can no longer fill. Losing Hayward for nothing is an abomination.

It’s sickening

Not exactly an objective source...

Maybe not objective but athletic reporters are credible, they’re not Twitter beat guys.

Are Stein and Shams no longer credible either? Why were their statements of Hayward wanting Indiana not credible to you?

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe just maybe Hayward had enough and settled for Charlotte? How long do you think Charlotte would have waited on him with that contract?

Hayward is a man of family and faith first. If you have 200 million in your bank account and faith and family were more important to you then basketball you wouldn’t consider a slight haircut to have those things for the next four years? His children’s children’s children children are already set for life.

If the Pacers wanted GH that bad they would have given up more.  The package of McDermett and Turner wasn't great.  It probably kept the C's in luxury tax territory and just wasn't a good deal as constructed.  Also, If Hayward really wanted to play at home he'd have waited a bit longer.  Everyone is so [dang] one side it's funny.  Who cares the deal didn't work out.  Pritchard is the horses arse that dicked with Danny on the Paul George Deal.  I wouldn't do the deal with him unless he kissed the ring either.  He and Danny don't seem to work well together.  I'm glad GH got his money and has to play in the abyss in Charlotte.   At least his family is a short drive to the beach because that team is going no where, beating no one so collect your money and run.  The only person I blame for this situation is Hayward.

Gordon Hayward is not worth turner and TJ Warren. McDermott and Turner was fair, we wouldn’t have won the trade but it would have been fair, and sometimes that’s okay too.

What if Hayward couldn’t wait longer? Charlotte was missing out on free agents by holding up that money for Hayward. I’d guess they told him the clock is ticking.
What if it came down to a Charlotte deal, a stalemate between Ainge and the Pacers on a trade or crawling back to the Celtics for 3 years 60 million?

I don’t blame Hayward for taking Charlotte out of those three options, but I do blame Ainge for not taking what he could get for him Vs getting nothing at all.

[Csfan1984]

And he just got Thompson.

Still wanna fire him?

Tristian Thompson averaged 12 and 10 on arguably the worst team in the NBA. He is 29, an absolute liability at the end of the game with his FT shooting.

So yes, I’m still on board with firing DA.

I don't want to demand a firing of Ainge.
But there isn't much reason to be thrilled with Thompson.
Clearly Turner is the younger and superior player, if he was on the table in a S-and-T with the Pacers we lost value.

What is worse is you traded a 1st and Kanter, your backup center who makes 5 million to now sign this guy to be a backup at 9 million. You lose offense for defense, lose a pick, plus pay more. The whole league is doing it the other way in paying offense and getting defenders cheap. DA should retire.

[Sophomore]

Pacers reporter for the athletic has gone on record saying Hayward would have taken the hometown discount and Ainge was the reason the deal didn’t go through.

https://twitter.com/bigjimmurray?lang=en

This was my assumption all along and got crushed on this forum for even suggesting it. Hayward got compared to Antoine Walker and assumptions were made that 20 mil meant more to him then being with family when the dude is already worth 200+ million

How many reports since before he opted out suggested the deal was in place with Indy, that he wanted Indy? These weren’t beat reporters they were coming from credible insiders like Shams and Stein.

Green teamers need to stop drinking the Kool aid and realize the Celtics front office is broken and needs a change. Ainge royally screwed us by needing to “win” a trade.

Who cares if you don’t like Turner and McDermott they were assets and filled cap space that we can no longer fill. Losing Hayward for nothing is an abomination.

It’s sickening

Not exactly an objective source...

Maybe not objective but athletic reporters are credible, they’re not Twitter beat guys.

Are Stein and Shams no longer credible either? Why were their statements of Hayward wanting Indiana not credible to you?

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe just maybe Hayward had enough and settled for Charlotte? How long do you think Charlotte would have waited on him with that contract?

Hayward is a man of family and faith first. If you have 200 million in your bank account and faith and family were more important to you then basketball you wouldn’t consider a slight haircut to have those things for the next four years? His children’s children’s children children are already set for life.

If the Pacers wanted GH that bad they would have given up more.  The package of McDermott and Turner wasn't great.  It probably kept the C's in luxury tax territory and just wasn't a good deal as constructed.  Also, If Hayward really wanted to play at home he'd have waited a bit longer.  Everyone is so [dang] one side it's funny.  Who cares the deal didn't work out.  Pritchard is the horses arse that dicked with Danny on the Paul George Deal.  I wouldn't do the deal with him unless he kissed the ring either.  He and Danny don't seem to work well together.  I'm glad GH got his money and has to play in the abyss in Charlotte.   At least his family is a short drive to the beach because that team is going no where, beating no one so collect your money and run.  The only person I blame for this situation is Hayward.

Turner would have been okay considering we now have nothing. He'd be retradeable and is a better player than Thompson.
We actually would have been just under the luxury tax with Turner + McDermott.
In some sense it fitted quite perfectly.

Thompson is a different player than Turner; I think it’s pretty hard to say one’s just outright better. Turner is a better rim protector, Thompson is miles better as a rebounder. And, Thompson has something intangible that this team really needs: a guy who really wants to win and has an attitude about it. TT *will* mix it up in the playoffs and he won’t back down.

And, he’s half Turner’s price.

[Sophomore]

And he just got Thompson.

Still wanna fire him?

Tristian Thompson averaged 12 and 10 on arguably the worst team in the NBA. He is 29, an absolute liability at the end of the game with his FT shooting.

So yes, I’m still on board with firing DA.

I don't want to demand a firing of Ainge.
But there isn't much reason to be thrilled with Thompson.
Clearly Turner is the younger and superior player, if he was on the table in a S-and-T with the Pacers we lost value.

What is worse is you traded a 1st and Kanter, your backup center who makes 5 million to now sign this guy to be a backup at 9 million. You lose offense for defense, lose a pick, plus pay more. The whole league is doing it the other way in paying offense and getting defenders cheap. DA should retire.

Thompson is a *lot* better than Kanter. At least as good a rebounder and garbage man around the basket, far more mobile.

[jpotter33]

Pacers reporter for the athletic has gone on record saying Hayward would have taken the hometown discount and Ainge was the reason the deal didn’t go through.

https://twitter.com/bigjimmurray?lang=en

This was my assumption all along and got crushed on this forum for even suggesting it. Hayward got compared to Antoine Walker and assumptions were made that 20 mil meant more to him then being with family when the dude is already worth 200+ million

How many reports since before he opted out suggested the deal was in place with Indy, that he wanted Indy? These weren’t beat reporters they were coming from credible insiders like Shams and Stein.

Green teamers need to stop drinking the Kool aid and realize the Celtics front office is broken and needs a change. Ainge royally screwed us by needing to “win” a trade.

Who cares if you don’t like Turner and McDermott they were assets and filled cap space that we can no longer fill. Losing Hayward for nothing is an abomination.

It’s sickening

Not exactly an objective source...

Maybe not objective but athletic reporters are credible, they’re not Twitter beat guys.

Are Stein and Shams no longer credible either? Why were their statements of Hayward wanting Indiana not credible to you?

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe just maybe Hayward had enough and settled for Charlotte? How long do you think Charlotte would have waited on him with that contract?
What if it was now or never and A trade was at a stalemate?

Hayward is a man of family and faith first. If you have 200 million in your bank account and faith and family were more important to you then basketball you wouldn’t consider a slight haircut to have those things for the next four years? His children’s children’s children children are already set for life.

Because he’s a Pacers reporter getting his info from Pacers source, thus bringing into question his objectivity and the reliability of his info and perspective. Shams and Stein are not necessarily connected to singular teams like that, and they’ve both got long histories documenting their reliability.

Look, I think people want to blame Danny because of this unfortunate loss, but I just don’t see it. At most, I think you could make the argument that Danny just wasn’t sold on Turner, and he didn’t feel that he brought enough value to justify adding him and McDermott’s salary by themselves.

But I think this notion that he was just being greedy and overplayed his hand is nonsense, and I think this seems clear to me that this was all about money in the end and neither Boston nor Indy were willing to pay that price.

[pp34isthe1]

And he just got Thompson.

Still wanna fire him?

Tristian Thompson averaged 12 and 10 on arguably the worst team in the NBA. He is 29, an absolute liability at the end of the game with his FT shooting.

So yes, I’m still on board with firing DA

Incomplete.

You want to fire DA and hire.... who?

You all need to be thinking through the counterfactuals. If you fire DA, who do you bring aboard as the new GM? And since the team is so cruddy, as everyone who wants to fire DA seems to think... why would said GM want to come to Boston?

Dude, there are 30 GM jobs in the NBA. There are plenty of qualified people other than Danny Ainge that can run the Celtics.

You want me to give a name? RC Buford. Only dealt with a small market team, Spurs ownership up in the air.

If I’m WYC and co I throw a godfather contract at him to run the team.

[Cman]

And he just got Thompson.

Still wanna fire him?

Tristian Thompson averaged 12 and 10 on arguably the worst team in the NBA. He is 29, an absolute liability at the end of the game with his FT shooting.

So yes, I’m still on board with firing DA

Incomplete.

You want to fire DA and hire.... who?

You all need to be thinking through the counterfactuals. If you fire DA, who do you bring aboard as the new GM? And since the team is so cruddy, as everyone who wants to fire DA seems to think... why would said GM want to come to Boston?

Dude, there are 30 GM jobs in the NBA. There are plenty of qualified people other than Danny Ainge that can run the Celtics.

You want me to give a name? RC Buford. Only dealt with a small market team, Spurs ownership up in the air.

If I’m WYC and co I throw a godfather contract at him to run the team.

Yes. I want you to seriously consider the options at GM.

It's easy to say "fire Ainge"

It's hard to say who's a better replacement, and who'd want to come to this dumpster fire that DA would be leaving in Boston.

I mean, seriously, who'd want to come here? Reading the last few pages it sounds like we've got no draft picks, no talent, no cap space, and a terrible problem with player morale. Sounds awful. We'd be lucky to be able to get anyone!

[Csfan1984]

And he just got Thompson.

Still wanna fire him?

Tristian Thompson averaged 12 and 10 on arguably the worst team in the NBA. He is 29, an absolute liability at the end of the game with his FT shooting.

So yes, I’m still on board with firing DA.

I don't want to demand a firing of Ainge.
But there isn't much reason to be thrilled with Thompson.
Clearly Turner is the younger and superior player, if he was on the table in a S-and-T with the Pacers we lost value.

What is worse is you traded a 1st and Kanter, your backup center who makes 5 million to now sign this guy to be a backup at 9 million. You lose offense for defense, lose a pick, plus pay more. The whole league is doing it the other way in paying offense and getting defenders cheap. DA should retire.

Thompson is a *lot* better than Kanter. At least as good a rebounder and garbage man around the basket, far more mobile.

For the money and the pick though? I'd much rather have Veron Carey Jr and Kanter than Thompson all day.

[RPGenerate]

And he just got Thompson.

Still wanna fire him?

Tristian Thompson averaged 12 and 10 on arguably the worst team in the NBA. He is 29, an absolute liability at the end of the game with his FT shooting.

So yes, I’m still on board with firing DA.

I don't want to demand a firing of Ainge.
But there isn't much reason to be thrilled with Thompson.
Clearly Turner is the younger and superior player, if he was on the table in a S-and-T with the Pacers we lost value.

What is worse is you traded a 1st and Kanter, your backup center who makes 5 million to now sign this guy to be a backup at 9 million. You lose offense for defense, lose a pick, plus pay more. The whole league is doing it the other way in paying offense and getting defenders cheap. DA should retire.

Thompson is a *lot* better than Kanter. At least as good a rebounder and garbage man around the basket, far more mobile.

For the money and the pick though? I'd much rather have Veron Carey Jr and Kanter than Thompson all day.

Really? You'd rather have 2 guys that might not even be in the rotation most of the year, than a impact guy who's gonna share starter minutes with Theis? I'm taking Thompson 10 times out if 10.