Now DA should be on the hot seat

[GreenlyGreeny]

If not for the trade for KG in 2007, Ainge would have been fired over a decade ago. He is THE most overrated GM in history and, really, has not outright “won” a trade since 2013. Almost nobody will even trade with us anymore because of the attitude he brings to the negotiation table. Trades need to be mutually beneficial or they do not happen. Period. Ainge is no Jimmy Johnson of the NBA. He stumbled upon a sucker in 2013 and, really, “Trader Danny” is a misnomer. Plus, have heard what he’s like outside of basketball. Not a fan of such people unless they’re delivering multiple titles to the Celtics.

Speaking of which, one title in nearly 20 years as GM. Oh, and our big upgrade this off-season is Nesmith, who might do as much as Langford last year, right? Everything hinges on Tatum and Brown accelerating into first/second-team All-NBAers or we are going to be left in the dust by the Lakers.

Of course he needs to be on the hot seat. This is Title Town.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Can't blame him for not overpaying guys on the back end of their careers. He was right to let Horford walk at that money and same for Hayward.

He's still done a great job of putting together an excellent young core of talent who already have a ton of deep playoff experience now.

Anybody could have turned the 2013 sucker haul into Tatum and Brown if they were paying attention to scouts. And a GM who does anything besides try to “win” trades would have known to do whatever it takes to keep Kyrie happy so that he’d bring Durant to town so that we could win many titles with Kyrie, Durant, Tatum, Brown and Smart.

So sick of all these excuses.

[tenn_smoothie]

Daniel Thies has been our center and that is Ainge's fault. FA period last year was a disaster (Kanter/Poirier)  and the team is playing Miami in the ECF with no front court.

I have watched attempts at small ball in the playoffs these last two years and I'd appreciate it if Ainge would tell Stevens and the statistics guys he's got that having tall people near the rim has been working in the NBA for 70 years or so. Garnett, Parish, Cowens, Russell all have rings.

Thank You Sir !!!

This Ainge/Stevens obsession with small-ball has driven me crazy since this rebuild from the Garnett team started. Even before that actually - I will never forgive Ainge for trading away the 2011 title in his effort to "become more athletic" when he gave away Perk for the shrinking violet Jeff Green. And don't try to argue by reciting Perk's stats once he left Boston - that is missing the point. Whatever Perk could and could not do for other teams is irrelevant because he fit perfectly with that Celtics group and gave us an advantage we never got back despite Ainge's desperate attempts to do so (O'Neal, Wallace, Shaq, Johnson, Stiemsma).

[GreenlyGreeny]

If I'm the owner I'm wondering why I've been paying all this money to these guys and now have a team farther away from a championship and how long do I have to wait for Danny's 15 year rebuild plan to actually get me close to a championship.

This. Wyc knows what it takes to win, so it’s time if we fail to win it all in 2021. We can do this with a new, young GM and an exciting coach like Tony Bennett.

[Kuberski33]

A little pressure being applied to many in this organization to perform better isn't a bad thing.  But I think there's more pressure on the younger players and the coach than there is on Ainge.  Time Lord needs to improve offensively to the point where he can do something other than dunk. Romeo needs to stay on the court. Some of these other guys taking up roster space need to actually take the next step or get moved out. 

And the coach needs to be a little more accountable than he has been.  He didn't have a great post season - and we all know how he handled the Kyrie team.

[tenn_smoothie]

If I'm the owner I'm wondering why I've been paying all this money to these guys and now have a team farther away from a championship and how long do I have to wait for Danny's 15 year rebuild plan to actually get me close to a championship.

This. Wyc knows what it takes to win, so it’s time if we fail to win it all in 2021. We can do this with a new, young GM and an exciting coach like Tony Bennett.

Could be. Celtics organization may be in need of an infusion of new blood, new ideas, stronger voice from the head coach and some new energy.

[celticinorlando]

Really feel like Danny is past his prime. Just no urgency.

[GreenlyGreeny]

I agree he should be.
Nobody has convinced me yet that he hasn’t mismanaged this Hayward debacle.

More importantly why hasn’t Tatum signed the super max yet? I’m getting weary of that happening.

There just isn’t something right about Boston right now, top free agents or stars come and leave first chance they can.

Regardless if he did or did not botch the Hayward deal the perception on the league right now is Ainge got greedy and did Hayward dirty. He wanted to go home to Indy and Ainge prevented it to a player that sacrificed plenty this season for the team.

Kyrie couldn’t get out fast enough, Horford as well. He traded IT, which was the right move but from a player perspective he screwed him as well.

I think Ainge has a bad rep, and it’s time for Celtics management to make a change to save the future of this team.

Yes, we all know he tried to “win” a trade instead of just getting whatever we could from Indy to simultaneously do Hayward right. Now we can only imagine how CBS feels about his college boy being treated like this. We had a locker room meltdown after Kyrie left so that wasn’t Kyrie’s fault. And the taint of what we did to IT still reeks so screwing Hayward is not going to help our image. Who wants to come work for such jerks, anyway? Our days of bringing in big free agents are over so long as Ainge is GM.

[Uncle_Stingfinger]

i literally wonder what ainge does all year round?   he's hired his kid,  which is an awful look.  he hasn't traded since kyrie? so he doesn't trade.   he travels the world "scouting" and brings back marginal prospects during the draft.  so that's kinda a waste of time.    And yet he seems to have no pressure on him to win a title.

now that he's undeniably wasted the horford, hayward, kyrie years I can't imagine how he's selling himself to wyc.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Ownership probably loves DA's off season so far. Cut salary, get under the tax, still look like you are making playoffs. They could care less about titles it's just keep fans interested enough to sell ickets and ads to them.

I have been saying that same thing after every trade deadline Danny sits on his hands and keeps his precious draft picks which he ends up wasting

Don’t worry: We’re just 5 more James Young’s away from winning it all. More precious “assets.”

[Neurotic Guy]

Can't blame him for not overpaying guys on the back end of their careers. He was right to let Horford walk at that money and same for Hayward.

He's still done a great job of putting together an excellent young core of talent who already have a ton of deep playoff experience now.

Anybody could have turned the 2013 sucker haul into Tatum and Brown if they were paying attention to scouts. And a GM who does anything besides try to “win” trades would have known to do whatever it takes to keep Kyrie happy so that he’d bring Durant to town so that we could win many titles with Kyrie, Durant, Tatum, Brown and Smart.

So sick of all these excuses.

You make it sound so doable to keep KI and get KD.  Probably not.

11 current NBA teams have never won a championship.  Since 1980 (40 seasons) 12 NBA franchises have won a championship.    That is a lot of seasons of failed GMs. Mostly, championships were won by having drafted the best player in the league or having one fall into the team's lap via FA (LAL; Heat).

Danny has done well. I'm not happy yet with this off-season.  But that could change.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Can't blame him for not overpaying guys on the back end of their careers. He was right to let Horford walk at that money and same for Hayward.

He's still done a great job of putting together an excellent young core of talent who already have a ton of deep playoff experience now.

Anybody could have turned the 2013 sucker haul into Tatum and Brown if they were paying attention to scouts. And a GM who does anything besides try to “win” trades would have known to do whatever it takes to keep Kyrie happy so that he’d bring Durant to town so that we could win many titles with Kyrie, Durant, Tatum, Brown and Smart.

So sick of all these excuses.

You make it sound so doable to keep KI and get KD.  Probably not.

An exceptional GM would have done whatever it takes to keep Kyrie happy so that Kyrie comes to you and quietly says, make cap room and a great friend you almost landed in the past will join me and we’ll win it al in 2020-2021. No-brainer, really. We could have moved GH and the rest to make the numbers work even if we were just left with Kyrie, KD, Tatum, Brown, and Smart. 

No wonder he had a heart attack when Kyrie told him he was leaving. He thought he was doing such a good job GM’ing when he screwed up the number one job of a GM: Keep your superstar super happy.

[GreenlyGreeny]

I agree he should be.
Nobody has convinced me yet that he hasn’t mismanaged this Hayward debacle.

More importantly why hasn’t Tatum signed the super max yet? I’m getting weary of that happening.

There just isn’t something right about Boston right now, top free agents or stars come and leave first chance they can.

Regardless if he did or did not botch the Hayward deal the perception on the league right now is Ainge got greedy and did Hayward dirty. He wanted to go home to Indy and Ainge prevented it to a player that sacrificed plenty this season for the team.

Kyrie couldn’t get out fast enough, Horford as well. He traded IT, which was the right move but from a player perspective he screwed him as well.

I think Ainge has a bad rep, and it’s time for Celtics management to make a change to save the future of this team.

That's literally not the perception around the league. The perception is that Charlotte just overbid on Hayward and took it out of both Boston's and Indy's hands.

Agree to disagree, just spent two hours listening to NBA radio and 98.5 and the common narrative is Hayward wanted Indiana and Ainge overplayed his hand. Charlotte wasn’t in anybody’s radar.

Whether or not Charlotte overpaid is a different story, the narrative for Ainge is that Indy wanted Hayward, Hayward wanted Indy and the deal didn’t get done.

Sure, they both wanted each other, but at different prices. If they all agree on where to send a player but not at the same cost, then the agreement is useless. Seems clear that Hayward wanted Indy to get close to matching Charlotte's offer, but they didn't come close enough.

Again this is all speculation, as is mine that Ainge dropped the ball. The only people that know what really happened are the Celtics, Pacers, Hayward camp and Hornets..

With the above being said, the perception of Ainge across the league is that he’ll stab you in the back first chance he can and Players don’t want to stay in Boston.

One narrative amongst many is that Hayward sacrificed the birth of his child to come back hurt for the team and Ainge didn’t even have the decency to trade him to the team he wanted to go to, and for a fair deal.. he wanted more. True or not it’s one belief that exists right now.

Horford wanted out, Kyrie couldn’t get out fast enough and Hayward opted out of 34 million to get out. I can’t imagine Kyrie has said good things to his superstar peers about Ainge and the Celtics organization.
Then you have guys like IT who sacrificed himself for the team and his contract who got shipped off with no remorse. Hell Kemba has been centered around trade talks as well after one season. Ainge has a bad rep with players, and I feel in many ways it’s warranted and because of that, as well as in my opinion many bad overplayed hands, that we need a change at GM.

And again, why hasn’t Tatum signed the super max? I like most thought that would have been announced at 6:05 yesterday.. does Tatum want out as well?

If you’re Tatum and you know IT, GH and Kyrie, and saw all of this go down and have heard from these guys all the details, would you want to stick around with this jerk GM running the show?

He’s gone too far with the GH thing. We should have made the trade to Indy even if only for a protected second-rounder. There’s value to goodwill among the players as Ainge and us are now finding out.

Here’s what some would do if they were Tatum: Get some buddy to tell his team’s GM next offseason to put in the maximum amount for a one-year deal so Tatum can sign it, the Celtics match it and then Tatum is an unrestricted free agent in 2022.

Is that was has to happen before people realize we gotta get rid of Ainge because he’s too toxic to players now?

[SHAQATTACK]

Really feel like Danny is past his prime. Just no urgency.

yup

[mr. dee]

Can't blame him for not overpaying guys on the back end of their careers. He was right to let Horford walk at that money and same for Hayward.

He's still done a great job of putting together an excellent young core of talent who already have a ton of deep playoff experience now.

Anybody could have turned the 2013 sucker haul into Tatum and Brown if they were paying attention to scouts. And a GM who does anything besides try to “win” trades would have known to do whatever it takes to keep Kyrie happy so that he’d bring Durant to town so that we could win many titles with Kyrie, Durant, Tatum, Brown and Smart.

So sick of all these excuses.

You make it sound so doable to keep KI and get KD.  Probably not.

An exceptional GM would have done whatever it takes to keep Kyrie happy so that Kyrie comes to you and quietly says, make cap room and a great friend you almost landed in the past will join me and we’ll win it al in 2020-2021. No-brainer, really. We could have moved GH and the rest to make the numbers work even if we were just left with Kyrie, KD, Tatum, Brown, and Smart. 

No wonder he had a heart attack when Kyrie told him he was leaving. He thought he was doing such a good job GM’ing when he screwed up the number one job of a GM: Keep your superstar super happy.

So like Cavs GM? No thanks.