Woj: Hayward to Charlotte (4 years, $120 million)

[Tr1boy]

Normally this trade craziness is spread out over weeks...it's all compressed into draft week 

There’s too much going on, I can’t keep up!

What a letdown it would be for everyone if nothing happened. 

Dont worry. Danny will make 4 draft selections.

[liam]

Normally this trade craziness is spread out over weeks...it's all compressed into draft week 

There’s too much going on, I can’t keep up!

It’s going to get nuts!

[liam]

Normally this trade craziness is spread out over weeks...it's all compressed into draft week 

There’s too much going on, I can’t keep up!

What a letdown it would be for everyone if nothing happened. 

Dont worry. Danny will make 4 draft selections.

I would not be surprised at all. I hope he gets some good players for our bench out of this.

[Ogaju]

Normally this trade craziness is spread out over weeks...it's all compressed into draft week 

There’s too much going on, I can’t keep up!

What a letdown it would be for everyone if nothing happened. 

Dont worry. Danny will make 4 draft selections.

I would not be surprised at all. I hope he gets some good players for our bench out of this.

He will probably trade down to get more assets .... Cs have not had a Clipper pick in a while. Time to replenish the basket of Clipper picks.

[Sketch5]

Looks like Kanter got extended too. Could they both be part of a deal? That's a lot of possible players coming back. But some much needed bench help big time.

[Darth_Yoda]

- A trade exception also has an expiry date. And can only work via trade ..... right?

I guess its better than losing Hayward for nothing.  But at the end of the day, nothing could come out of it

1 year expiration date.

Can be used in a trade but not combined with players or can be renounved for the cap savings.

[Darth_Yoda]

The Atlanta Hawks are in play in an attempt to acquire Boston Celtics forward Gordon Hayward, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. – via Chris Haynes @ Yahoo! Sports

But how?

Hawks do not have salary matching capability unless it includes Capela, Dedmon...

They have a ton of cap space. If they absorbed Hayward's salary, it would return a 30 million dollar trade exception to the Cs, allowing them to trade for another player without that player's salary counting against their cap this season (Steven Adams?). On top of that, it would move us far enough away from the luxury tax to give us the full MLE and pursue a better rotation player.

I don't think we want to take a bunch of salary back unless it is a good rotation player.

Thanks. I have never got a great grasp of the trade exception mechanism

So only if a team is way under the cap, can a trade exception (the example you provided with Hayward going to the Hawks) workout

But how did the GSW obtain one.  Weren't they over the cap?

They were but they trade iggy? To a team below the cap and recieved no players back in the trade, thus creating a tpe

[PhoSita]

David Wilson
@DBWilson2
Tyler Herro said on Instagram Live he thought he was going to Boston in the draft. "I got blessed to come here instead of there."

Man, Nba guys seem to really hate the city of Boston.

What do you expect him to say, "Well Miami is OK I guess?"   Of course he's thankful he went to Miami, given how his rookie season went.

[BitterJim]

- A trade exception also has an expiry date. And can only work via trade ..... right?

I guess its better than losing Hayward for nothing.  But at the end of the day, nothing could come out of it

1 year expiration date.

Can be used in a trade but not combined with players or can be renounved for the cap savings.

To be clear, it can't be aggregated with player salaries (so you can't combine a $10 million TPE with a $10 million player to bring in a $20 million player), but you can include players in the same deal.

The Atlanta Hawks are in play in an attempt to acquire Boston Celtics forward Gordon Hayward, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. – via Chris Haynes @ Yahoo! Sports

But how?

Hawks do not have salary matching capability unless it includes Capela, Dedmon...

They have a ton of cap space. If they absorbed Hayward's salary, it would return a 30 million dollar trade exception to the Cs, allowing them to trade for another player without that player's salary counting against their cap this season (Steven Adams?). On top of that, it would move us far enough away from the luxury tax to give us the full MLE and pursue a better rotation player.

I don't think we want to take a bunch of salary back unless it is a good rotation player.

The salary still counts against the cap. It just allows you to trade for a player without having matching salaries, but they still count against the cap just like any other way of acquiring them would. Technically, what you're doing is a non-simultaneous trade, where you're using the salary from 1 trade (like Gordon to ATL) to match salary in a later, unrelated trade (like your example of Steven Adams)

[Roy H.]

If they absorbed Hayward's salary, it would return a 30 million dollar trade exception to the Cs, allowing them to trade for another player without that player's salary counting against their cap this season

It’s an exception to the salary cap, but the salary still “counts against the the cap”. 

[celticinorlando]

Totally prepared to watch Boston stay put tonight
Drafting more rookies and the watching Hayward walk away for nothing.

[Jiri Welsch]

Totally prepared to watch Boston stay put tonight
Drafting more rookies and the watching Hayward walk away for nothing.

I agree that's worst-case scenario. But at the end of the day, we're still fielding a pretty good team heading into free agency with a 9 million MLE (if Hayward walks). We'll be okay.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

If they absorbed Hayward's salary, it would return a 30 million dollar trade exception to the Cs, allowing them to trade for another player without that player's salary counting against their cap this season

It’s an exception to the salary cap, but the salary still “counts against the the cap”.

Right. But the number doesn't count for luxury tax and MLE purposes, correct? Like, a player who is absorbed into the exception does not contribute to a luxury tax bill and does not count when figuring out whether a team can use an MLE or a tax payer MLE.

[RJ87]

New article at The Athletic shines more light on Hayward and Boston. A snippet:

Hayward has long been frustrated with his role in Boston, but not because he resents his coaches or teammates. It’s that he established himself as someone who was going to get plenty of shots and passes to find his rhythm and he succeeds when he can feel his way out through the game. He had a usage rate of over 22 percent in his last five seasons in Utah, with a pinnacle of 27.6 percent in his lone All-Star season in 2016-17. It’s been all the way down to 19 and 21.1 percent, respectively, the past two years. He should expect that number to be a little bit lower on a contending team with a star point guard, but Jayson Tatum’s emergence exacerbated the issue.

If he’s playing his best, staying healthy and winning in Boston, he’ll be happy. But there has been enough tumult in his Boston tenure that Hayward is actively exploring other situations. It doesn’t mean he hates Boston or adamantly wants out. It’s a reasonable middle ground that reflects someone who has worked his whole life to lead a contending team and he wants his chance to do that.

https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/

Seems like the door isn't all the way shut on a return, but compromises need to be made.

[Darth_Yoda]

New article at The Athletic shines more light on Hayward and Boston. A snippet:

Hayward has long been frustrated with his role in Boston, but not because he resents his coaches or teammates. It’s that he established himself as someone who was going to get plenty of shots and passes to find his rhythm and he succeeds when he can feel his way out through the game. He had a usage rate of over 22 percent in his last five seasons in Utah, with a pinnacle of 27.6 percent in his lone All-Star season in 2016-17. It’s been all the way down to 19 and 21.1 percent, respectively, the past two years. He should expect that number to be a little bit lower on a contending team with a star point guard, but Jayson Tatum’s emergence exacerbated the issue.

If he’s playing his best, staying healthy and winning in Boston, he’ll be happy. But there has been enough tumult in his Boston tenure that Hayward is actively exploring other situations. It doesn’t mean he hates Boston or adamantly wants out. It’s a reasonable middle ground that reflects someone who has worked his whole life to lead a contending team and he wants his chance to do that.

https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/

Seems like the door isn't all the way shut on a return, but compromises need to be made.

Wah, Wah, Wah



I want to play on a winning team
I want more shots
I want a bigger role
I dont like the Tatum and Brown are better than me

boo hoo