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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #90 on: October 25, 2020, 01:35:06 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
Yeah but they couldn't handle Bam Adebayo unfortunately
Because our head coach insisted that we should use centres to defend Bam instead of throwing our 6'6 brickhouse at him.
The two Williams' must have bullied Stevens' kids or something, the way he refuses to deploy them
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #91 on: October 25, 2020, 08:37:43 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #92 on: October 25, 2020, 08:39:54 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.

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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #93 on: October 25, 2020, 08:41:05 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.
Clever work using TS%, a stat inflated by foul shooting, instead of his pretty pathetic EFG% of 48.6% (around 4% lower than the league average).

Also conveniently ignored his assist:to ratio of 0.34:1, his averaging of nearly 5 fouls per game and his really poor defence by his standards. He also got swept, so...
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #94 on: October 25, 2020, 08:42:35 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.

Scoreboard.
That was not because of Embiid, that was because Simmons was out and no one else showed up.  The Celtics absolutely handled Harris, Richardson, Horford, etc., but they under no circumstance handled Embiid.  Embiid was quite good in that series. 
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #95 on: October 25, 2020, 08:44:46 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.
Clever work using TS%, a stat inflated by foul shooting, instead of his pretty pathetic EFG% of 48.6% (around 4% lower than the league average).

Also conveniently ignored his assist:to ratio of 0.34:1, his averaging of nearly 5 fouls per game and his really poor defence by his standards. He also got swept, so...

Yeah, he shot 15-for-38 the last two games, and was a -53 for the series, at least -8 in every game.

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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #96 on: October 25, 2020, 08:48:39 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.
Clever work using TS%, a stat inflated by foul shooting, instead of his pretty pathetic EFG% of 48.6% (around 4% lower than the league average).

Also conveniently ignored his assist:to ratio of 0.34:1, his averaging of nearly 5 fouls per game and his really poor defence by his standards. He also got swept, so...

Yeah, he shot 15-for-38 the last two games, and was a -53 for the series, at least -8 in every game.
Shh, he played well because he got fouled a lot in a playoff sweep. Obviously ::)
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #97 on: October 25, 2020, 08:49:24 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.
Clever work using TS%, a stat inflated by foul shooting, instead of his pretty pathetic EFG% of 48.6% (around 4% lower than the league average).

Also conveniently ignored his assist:to ratio of 0.34:1, his averaging of nearly 5 fouls per game and his really poor defence by his standards. He also got swept, so...
His GameScore was 21.8, second only to Tatum in the series.  He was the only Sixers whos ORTG was larger than his DRTG over the series. 

And since when is getting to the line a bad thing.  He shot 59 foul shots in a 4 game series because unlike the original proposition, Theis, Kanter, and company couldn't handle him.  They let him do whatever he wanted.  His TOV% was actually lower in the series than it was in the regular season.  His FG% was down, but that was a result of him not shooting well at all from 3 as his 2PT% was identical in the regular season and post season at 51.7%. 

Embiid had a field day in the series.  Boston couldn't stop him at all.  He got tired because he was the only Sixer, aside from Shake Milton, that was seemingly playing basketball at all in the series.  Everyone else was atrocious, Embiid was not.
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #98 on: October 25, 2020, 08:59:05 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.
Clever work using TS%, a stat inflated by foul shooting, instead of his pretty pathetic EFG% of 48.6% (around 4% lower than the league average).

Also conveniently ignored his assist:to ratio of 0.34:1, his averaging of nearly 5 fouls per game and his really poor defence by his standards. He also got swept, so...
His GameScore was 21.8, second only to Tatum in the series.  He was the only Sixers whos ORTG was larger than his DRTG over the series. 

And since when is getting to the line a bad thing.  He shot 59 foul shots in a 4 game series because unlike the original proposition, Theis, Kanter, and company couldn't handle him.  They let him do whatever he wanted.  His TOV% was actually lower in the series than it was in the regular season.  His FG% was down, but that was a result of him not shooting well at all from 3 as his 2PT% was identical in the regular season and post season at 51.7%. 

Embiid had a field day in the series.  Boston couldn't stop him at all.  He got tired because he was the only Sixer, aside from Shake Milton, that was seemingly playing basketball at all in the series.  Everyone else was atrocious, Embiid was not.
Lol, dude, game score? Seriously? That metric is just a lame attempt by John Hollinger to mash all the basic box score numbers into one.

His TOV% was lower, you're correct. Lower by less than 1%. His assist % was also lower. Lower by 9.4%. I can't seriously believe you'd argue that his passing and turnovers weren't an issue.

Do you think that maybe beating Embiid up with fouls and making him accountable on defence (where he was way less of an impact than he should be) could have forced him into taking threes on weak legs? He was also playing much more minutes than he physically is able to, and so he was a brick-laying machine in the last two games.

He wasn't atrocious. But the coaching staff were obviously happy to let him flail around in the key as much as he wanted because his passing sucks, and by extension he didn't impact winning as much as he should.
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #99 on: October 25, 2020, 09:07:01 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.
Clever work using TS%, a stat inflated by foul shooting, instead of his pretty pathetic EFG% of 48.6% (around 4% lower than the league average).

Also conveniently ignored his assist:to ratio of 0.34:1, his averaging of nearly 5 fouls per game and his really poor defence by his standards. He also got swept, so...
His GameScore was 21.8, second only to Tatum in the series.  He was the only Sixers whos ORTG was larger than his DRTG over the series. 

And since when is getting to the line a bad thing.  He shot 59 foul shots in a 4 game series because unlike the original proposition, Theis, Kanter, and company couldn't handle him.  They let him do whatever he wanted.  His TOV% was actually lower in the series than it was in the regular season.  His FG% was down, but that was a result of him not shooting well at all from 3 as his 2PT% was identical in the regular season and post season at 51.7%. 

Embiid had a field day in the series.  Boston couldn't stop him at all.  He got tired because he was the only Sixer, aside from Shake Milton, that was seemingly playing basketball at all in the series.  Everyone else was atrocious, Embiid was not.
Lol, dude, game score? Seriously? That metric is just a lame attempt by John Hollinger to mash all the basic box score numbers into one.

His TOV% was lower, you're correct. Lower by less than 1%. His assist % was also lower. Lower by 9.4%. I can't seriously believe you'd argue that his passing and turnovers weren't an issue.

Do you think that maybe beating Embiid up with fouls and making him accountable on defence (where he was way less of an impact than he should be) could have forced him into taking threes on weak legs? He was also playing much more minutes than he physically is able to, and so he was a brick-laying machine in the last two games.

He wasn't atrocious. But the coaching staff were obviously happy to let him flail around in the key as much as he wanted because his passing sucks, and by extension he didn't impact winning as much as he should.
Teammates actually have to hit shots for someone to get assists.  The Sixers as a team shot 39.6% that series (and that includes Embiid's 45.9 - they were 37.8% without Embiid's attempts).  He definitely played more minutes, but when no one else is playing well, what is he supposed to do.  He had the best DRTG on the team by 5 over Horford.  To watch that series and act like Embiid is the reason the Sixers lost is just strange to me.
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #100 on: October 25, 2020, 09:15:17 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.
Clever work using TS%, a stat inflated by foul shooting, instead of his pretty pathetic EFG% of 48.6% (around 4% lower than the league average).

Also conveniently ignored his assist:to ratio of 0.34:1, his averaging of nearly 5 fouls per game and his really poor defence by his standards. He also got swept, so...
His GameScore was 21.8, second only to Tatum in the series.  He was the only Sixers whos ORTG was larger than his DRTG over the series. 

And since when is getting to the line a bad thing.  He shot 59 foul shots in a 4 game series because unlike the original proposition, Theis, Kanter, and company couldn't handle him.  They let him do whatever he wanted.  His TOV% was actually lower in the series than it was in the regular season.  His FG% was down, but that was a result of him not shooting well at all from 3 as his 2PT% was identical in the regular season and post season at 51.7%. 

Embiid had a field day in the series.  Boston couldn't stop him at all.  He got tired because he was the only Sixer, aside from Shake Milton, that was seemingly playing basketball at all in the series.  Everyone else was atrocious, Embiid was not.
Lol, dude, game score? Seriously? That metric is just a lame attempt by John Hollinger to mash all the basic box score numbers into one.

His TOV% was lower, you're correct. Lower by less than 1%. His assist % was also lower. Lower by 9.4%. I can't seriously believe you'd argue that his passing and turnovers weren't an issue.

Do you think that maybe beating Embiid up with fouls and making him accountable on defence (where he was way less of an impact than he should be) could have forced him into taking threes on weak legs? He was also playing much more minutes than he physically is able to, and so he was a brick-laying machine in the last two games.

He wasn't atrocious. But the coaching staff were obviously happy to let him flail around in the key as much as he wanted because his passing sucks, and by extension he didn't impact winning as much as he should.
Teammates actually have to hit shots for someone to get assists.  The Sixers as a team shot 39.6% that series (and that includes Embiid's 45.9 - they were 37.8% without Embiid's attempts).  He definitely played more minutes, but when no one else is playing well, what is he supposed to do.  He had the best DRTG on the team by 5 over Horford.  To watch that series and act like Embiid is the reason the Sixers lost is just strange to me.
So when Embiid shoots badly you jump to his defence but when the 76ers scrubs shoot badly it's a disappointing effort on their part? Right...

Nobody, literally nobody in this thread even implied that Embiid was the reason Philly lost. Roy said Theis and Kanter handled Embiid, which they did, as his efficiency was down, his offensive rhythm was generally all over the place, and his team got swept. Then you leapt to the defence of Embiid.
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #101 on: October 25, 2020, 10:11:39 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.
Clever work using TS%, a stat inflated by foul shooting, instead of his pretty pathetic EFG% of 48.6% (around 4% lower than the league average).

Also conveniently ignored his assist:to ratio of 0.34:1, his averaging of nearly 5 fouls per game and his really poor defence by his standards. He also got swept, so...
His GameScore was 21.8, second only to Tatum in the series.  He was the only Sixers whos ORTG was larger than his DRTG over the series. 

And since when is getting to the line a bad thing.  He shot 59 foul shots in a 4 game series because unlike the original proposition, Theis, Kanter, and company couldn't handle him.  They let him do whatever he wanted.  His TOV% was actually lower in the series than it was in the regular season.  His FG% was down, but that was a result of him not shooting well at all from 3 as his 2PT% was identical in the regular season and post season at 51.7%. 

Embiid had a field day in the series.  Boston couldn't stop him at all.  He got tired because he was the only Sixer, aside from Shake Milton, that was seemingly playing basketball at all in the series.  Everyone else was atrocious, Embiid was not.
Lol, dude, game score? Seriously? That metric is just a lame attempt by John Hollinger to mash all the basic box score numbers into one.

His TOV% was lower, you're correct. Lower by less than 1%. His assist % was also lower. Lower by 9.4%. I can't seriously believe you'd argue that his passing and turnovers weren't an issue.

Do you think that maybe beating Embiid up with fouls and making him accountable on defence (where he was way less of an impact than he should be) could have forced him into taking threes on weak legs? He was also playing much more minutes than he physically is able to, and so he was a brick-laying machine in the last two games.

He wasn't atrocious. But the coaching staff were obviously happy to let him flail around in the key as much as he wanted because his passing sucks, and by extension he didn't impact winning as much as he should.
Teammates actually have to hit shots for someone to get assists.  The Sixers as a team shot 39.6% that series (and that includes Embiid's 45.9 - they were 37.8% without Embiid's attempts).  He definitely played more minutes, but when no one else is playing well, what is he supposed to do.  He had the best DRTG on the team by 5 over Horford.  To watch that series and act like Embiid is the reason the Sixers lost is just strange to me.
So when Embiid shoots badly you jump to his defence but when the 76ers scrubs shoot badly it's a disappointing effort on their part? Right...

Nobody, literally nobody in this thread even implied that Embiid was the reason Philly lost. Roy said Theis and Kanter handled Embiid, which they did, as his efficiency was down, his offensive rhythm was generally all over the place, and his team got swept. Then you leapt to the defence of Embiid.
To say Theis and Kanter handled Embiid is a stretch and to suggest that it will continue into the future has no basis.  Anyone's efficiency is going to be down when everyone else is playing poorly.  Embiid's inefficiency is driven by the Sixers inability to build around him.  Redick is their one acquisition that really fit well with Embiid but they let him leave.  Beyond the limited shooting, the lack of good shot creators has forced Embiid to do too much and hamstrung their team.  Trying Simmons at PG was worth a shot but that experiment should be over.  They need to get a true PG this offseason. 

Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #102 on: October 25, 2020, 10:22:27 AM »

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Also on Turner, I keep reading that he canít cover Bam.

In this yearís playoffs when matched up he held Bam to 8.0 points per game on 41.9% shooting and only 1.5 FTAs per game.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612754/matchups/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=OFF_PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1
That doesn't come as much of a surprise to me to be honest, but my concerns about Turner lie elsewhere.

He matches up poorly against Embiid. Nearly a foul a minute of being his direct match-up, Embiid averaged 11.5PPG against Turner despite only being his direct opponent for 4.6MPG: 

https://go.nba.com/8xer

He also gets similarly dominated by Andre Drummond: https://go.nba.com/m7fb

Seems to be poor against the real powerhouse bigs

Luckily, Theis and the Celts can handle Embiid with our without Turner.
In 36.2 mpg, Embiid averaged 30 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.3 bpg, and 1.3 apg with a TS% of 60.0% in the playoffs.  I wouldn't exactly say they handled him.  That in fact seems like the exact opposite of handling.
Clever work using TS%, a stat inflated by foul shooting, instead of his pretty pathetic EFG% of 48.6% (around 4% lower than the league average).

Also conveniently ignored his assist:to ratio of 0.34:1, his averaging of nearly 5 fouls per game and his really poor defence by his standards. He also got swept, so...
His GameScore was 21.8, second only to Tatum in the series.  He was the only Sixers whos ORTG was larger than his DRTG over the series. 

And since when is getting to the line a bad thing.  He shot 59 foul shots in a 4 game series because unlike the original proposition, Theis, Kanter, and company couldn't handle him.  They let him do whatever he wanted.  His TOV% was actually lower in the series than it was in the regular season.  His FG% was down, but that was a result of him not shooting well at all from 3 as his 2PT% was identical in the regular season and post season at 51.7%. 

Embiid had a field day in the series.  Boston couldn't stop him at all.  He got tired because he was the only Sixer, aside from Shake Milton, that was seemingly playing basketball at all in the series.  Everyone else was atrocious, Embiid was not.
Lol, dude, game score? Seriously? That metric is just a lame attempt by John Hollinger to mash all the basic box score numbers into one.

His TOV% was lower, you're correct. Lower by less than 1%. His assist % was also lower. Lower by 9.4%. I can't seriously believe you'd argue that his passing and turnovers weren't an issue.

Do you think that maybe beating Embiid up with fouls and making him accountable on defence (where he was way less of an impact than he should be) could have forced him into taking threes on weak legs? He was also playing much more minutes than he physically is able to, and so he was a brick-laying machine in the last two games.

He wasn't atrocious. But the coaching staff were obviously happy to let him flail around in the key as much as he wanted because his passing sucks, and by extension he didn't impact winning as much as he should.
Teammates actually have to hit shots for someone to get assists.  The Sixers as a team shot 39.6% that series (and that includes Embiid's 45.9 - they were 37.8% without Embiid's attempts).  He definitely played more minutes, but when no one else is playing well, what is he supposed to do.  He had the best DRTG on the team by 5 over Horford.  To watch that series and act like Embiid is the reason the Sixers lost is just strange to me.
So when Embiid shoots badly you jump to his defence but when the 76ers scrubs shoot badly it's a disappointing effort on their part? Right...

Nobody, literally nobody in this thread even implied that Embiid was the reason Philly lost. Roy said Theis and Kanter handled Embiid, which they did, as his efficiency was down, his offensive rhythm was generally all over the place, and his team got swept. Then you leapt to the defence of Embiid.
Embiid had a monster scoring series against us, he averaged 31.3 points per 75 possessions on +4% rTS (basically peak Shaq numbers in the PS on even higher volume). What we did to limit him offensively was taking advantage of his inability to make advanced reads to make collapsing defences pay, making the Embiid-driven attack against us meh overall even though the Sixers had decent shooters around him (those poor shooting numbers for his teammates were mainly due to the fact that Embiid couldn't consistently create open looks for them so they were forced to create shots for themselves against a strong defence, not because they couldn't hit open shots).
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #103 on: October 25, 2020, 11:17:00 AM »

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How in the world did "Pacers interested in Hayward" get to a discussion on Embiid?

Not why I opened this post!
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #104 on: October 25, 2020, 11:19:05 AM »

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How in the world did "Pacers interested in Hayward" get to a discussion on Embiid?

Not why I opened this post!

Natural tangent regarding the value of Turner, I think.
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