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Who you got at #14? (players are listed in random order)

Tyrell Terry
13 (24.5%)
Patrick Williams
6 (11.3%)
Precious Achiuwa
4 (7.5%)
R.J. Hampton
4 (7.5%)
Aleksej Pokusevski
3 (5.7%)
Saddiq Bey
5 (9.4%)
Jalen Smith
4 (7.5%)
Aaron Nesmith
8 (15.1%)
Kira Lewis Jr.
3 (5.7%)
Cole Anthony
2 (3.8%)
other (please name below and I'll include him in the poll)
1 (1.9%)

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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #405 on: September 30, 2020, 03:23:14 PM »

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Tom Westerholm, tweeted the following,

Guard prospect/sharp shooter Desmond Bane says he spoke to the Celtics very early on. He believes his shooting and versatility would be a good fit, and compares his "junkyard dog” mentality to Marcus Smart.
i would very much like the celtics to pick bane at 26. he is a very good 3 point shooter, but most of all he just plays very hard. physically he reminds me of a shorter grant williams.  ;D

i do not know how good his defense is since the highlights show mostly offense. does anyone know about his defense?
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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #406 on: September 30, 2020, 03:26:53 PM »

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Tom Westerholm, tweeted the following,

Guard prospect/sharp shooter Desmond Bane says he spoke to the Celtics very early on. He believes his shooting and versatility would be a good fit, and compares his "junkyard dog” mentality to Marcus Smart.
i would very much like the celtics to pick bane at 26. he is a very good 3 point shooter, but most of all he just plays very hard. physically he reminds me of a shorter grant williams.  ;D

i do not know how good his defense is since the highlights show mostly offense. does anyone know about his defense?

I'm wondering this also. He looks a bit slow, but if he's high IQ like GW he might be able to compensate and manage to be a plus defender?

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #407 on: September 30, 2020, 05:20:58 PM »

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Tom Westerholm, tweeted the following,

Guard prospect/sharp shooter Desmond Bane says he spoke to the Celtics very early on. He believes his shooting and versatility would be a good fit, and compares his "junkyard dog” mentality to Marcus Smart.
i would very much like the celtics to pick bane at 26. he is a very good 3 point shooter, but most of all he just plays very hard. physically he reminds me of a shorter grant williams.  ;D

i do not know how good his defense is since the highlights show mostly offense. does anyone know about his defense?

Here is an improvement analysis for Bane.
https://youtu.be/O4L6a_hhh28

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #408 on: September 30, 2020, 07:12:41 PM »

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Considering the way we're being reported, I could see a draft of Tyrell Terry, Desmond Bane, Xavier Tillman and Jay Scrubb. I would be pretty pleased with that. However, given the chance here's who I would go with.

14: Kira Lewis Jr.: Has the 2 years of college experience compared to Terry's 1, and is 7 months younger than Terry. How's that for a reclassification! Lewis Jr. is a better scorer inside the arc, a better passer, a slightly better defender and a better athlete. However, Terry is a genuinely elite shooter. The only elite ability Lewis Jr has is speed, but he has lots of things that are near-elite (interior finishing, playing the passing lanes, blocking shots for a 6'3 guard). Both are similarly turnover prone and both have very similar frames, standing at 6'3 each and both weighing between 165-180. It's basically a toss-up, but I like the fact that Lewis Jr. has two years of experience at Bama and is still only 19.

26: Desmond Bane: I'd be perfectly happy with Bane. There are other guys I rate similarly but as a pure shooter he's probably the best in the 20-30 range. Elite coming off screens (1 of 20 D1 players who had 90+ possessions off screens, for 41% shooting, which is a good number as it was mostly 3s), elite shooter in general, having hit 249/475 from 3 in his career, surprisingly good shooter off the dribble, solid finisher at the rim but is hampered by his short wingspan, and has a high defensive IQ. Not going to wow anyone with explosive athleticism or shot creation, but I see him succeeding at the NBA level. Reminiscent of Brogdon, but a better shooter and worse ball-handler.

30: Xavier Tillman: I rate him as the 2nd best pure centre in the draft behind Wiseman, who is really only there because of the allure of his physical attributes. Tillman is an NBA-ready 6'10, 250lbs big with a 7'1 wingspan. He's an elite defender and passer, can finish inside with both hands really well and he rarely fouls. I expect he'll be similar to Theis when it comes to shooting the ball. I would absolutely love to see Tillman and G Williams share the floor with Tatum, Brown and Smart. That's some crazy defensive potential.

47: Sam Merrill (if Paul Reed has already been selected :(): I rate Merrill as the best pure shooter in the whole draft. Over his long college career at Utah State he's shot 319/759 (42%) from three. That is a huge sample size for a collegiate player. He's also a 52% shooter inside the arc and a 90% shooter from the FT line. Better defender than you might think too. The way he scores reminds me a lot of Luka Doncic (before you eat me alive, I'm in no way saying he'll be a similar player). Merrill will be in the elite of the elite when it comes to shooting. I think he'll have a 3PT contest trophy or two when it's all said and done.

It's hard for me to find a place to draft Reed, given I think we need a genuine center who can defend 4s as well over a guy who can defend 3-5, but if we drafted Terry at #14, I would then draft Tillman and #26 and Reed at #30, alongside Merrill at #47. That would give us two of the genuinely elite 3PT shooters and two of the elite defenders 6'9 and taller.
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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #409 on: September 30, 2020, 07:18:54 PM »

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I just want someone who can play center!!!!
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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #410 on: September 30, 2020, 07:23:56 PM »

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I just want someone who can play center!!!!
Xavier Tillman is the man for you! Big, bruising elite defender with elite passing and a soft scoring touch
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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #411 on: September 30, 2020, 07:26:16 PM »

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Considering the way we're being reported, I could see a draft of Tyrell Terry, Desmond Bane, Xavier Tillman and Jay Scrubb. I would be pretty pleased with that. However, given the chance here's who I would go with.

14: Kira Lewis Jr.: Has the 2 years of college experience compared to Terry's 1, and is 7 months younger than Terry. How's that for a reclassification! Lewis Jr. is a better scorer inside the arc, a better passer, a slightly better defender and a better athlete. However, Terry is a genuinely elite shooter. The only elite ability Lewis Jr has is speed, but he has lots of things that are near-elite (interior finishing, playing the passing lanes, blocking shots for a 6'3 guard). Both are similarly turnover prone and both have very similar frames, standing at 6'3 each and both weighing between 165-180. It's basically a toss-up, but I like the fact that Lewis Jr. has two years of experience at Bama and is still only 19.

26: Desmond Bane: I'd be perfectly happy with Bane. There are other guys I rate similarly but as a pure shooter he's probably the best in the 20-30 range. Elite coming off screens (1 of 20 D1 players who had 90+ possessions off screens, for 41% shooting, which is a good number as it was mostly 3s), elite shooter in general, having hit 249/475 from 3 in his career, surprisingly good shooter off the dribble, solid finisher at the rim but is hampered by his short wingspan, and has a high defensive IQ. Not going to wow anyone with explosive athleticism or shot creation, but I see him succeeding at the NBA level. Reminiscent of Brogdon, but a better shooter and worse ball-handler.

30: Xavier Tillman: I rate him as the 2nd best pure centre in the draft behind Wiseman, who is really only there because of the allure of his physical attributes. Tillman is an NBA-ready 6'10, 250lbs big with a 7'1 wingspan. He's an elite defender and passer, can finish inside with both hands really well and he rarely fouls. I expect he'll be similar to Theis when it comes to shooting the ball. I would absolutely love to see Tillman and G Williams share the floor with Tatum, Brown and Smart. That's some crazy defensive potential.

47: Sam Merrill (if Paul Reed has already been selected :(): I rate Merrill as the best pure shooter in the whole draft. Over his long college career at Utah State he's shot 319/759 (42%) from three. That is a huge sample size for a collegiate player. He's also a 52% shooter inside the arc and a 90% shooter from the FT line. Better defender than you might think too. The way he scores reminds me a lot of Luka Doncic (before you eat me alive, I'm in no way saying he'll be a similar player). Merrill will be in the elite of the elite when it comes to shooting. I think he'll have a 3PT contest trophy or two when it's all said and done.

It's hard for me to find a place to draft Reed, given I think we need a genuine center who can defend 4s as well over a guy who can defend 3-5, but if we drafted Terry at #14, I would then draft Tillman and #26 and Reed at #30, alongside Merrill at #47. That would give us two of the genuinely elite 3PT shooters and two of the elite defenders 6'9 and taller.

The bolded would be a nice draft night for me.  If Kira Lewis over Tyrell Terry that's ok.  Whomever Danny thinks can fit with Brad (if they're close enough in talent).  Terry seems easy to fit for a few years as a specialist...before devloping enough to take over the PG.  I like that he's considered an excellent passer with great IQ, but I also value defense highly...so tough call.

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #412 on: September 30, 2020, 07:29:25 PM »

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Considering the way we're being reported, I could see a draft of Tyrell Terry, Desmond Bane, Xavier Tillman and Jay Scrubb. I would be pretty pleased with that. However, given the chance here's who I would go with.

14: Kira Lewis Jr.: Has the 2 years of college experience compared to Terry's 1, and is 7 months younger than Terry. How's that for a reclassification! Lewis Jr. is a better scorer inside the arc, a better passer, a slightly better defender and a better athlete. However, Terry is a genuinely elite shooter. The only elite ability Lewis Jr has is speed, but he has lots of things that are near-elite (interior finishing, playing the passing lanes, blocking shots for a 6'3 guard). Both are similarly turnover prone and both have very similar frames, standing at 6'3 each and both weighing between 165-180. It's basically a toss-up, but I like the fact that Lewis Jr. has two years of experience at Bama and is still only 19.

26: Desmond Bane: I'd be perfectly happy with Bane. There are other guys I rate similarly but as a pure shooter he's probably the best in the 20-30 range. Elite coming off screens (1 of 20 D1 players who had 90+ possessions off screens, for 41% shooting, which is a good number as it was mostly 3s), elite shooter in general, having hit 249/475 from 3 in his career, surprisingly good shooter off the dribble, solid finisher at the rim but is hampered by his short wingspan, and has a high defensive IQ. Not going to wow anyone with explosive athleticism or shot creation, but I see him succeeding at the NBA level. Reminiscent of Brogdon, but a better shooter and worse ball-handler.

30: Xavier Tillman: I rate him as the 2nd best pure centre in the draft behind Wiseman, who is really only there because of the allure of his physical attributes. Tillman is an NBA-ready 6'10, 250lbs big with a 7'1 wingspan. He's an elite defender and passer, can finish inside with both hands really well and he rarely fouls. I expect he'll be similar to Theis when it comes to shooting the ball. I would absolutely love to see Tillman and G Williams share the floor with Tatum, Brown and Smart. That's some crazy defensive potential.

47: Sam Merrill (if Paul Reed has already been selected :(): I rate Merrill as the best pure shooter in the whole draft. Over his long college career at Utah State he's shot 319/759 (42%) from three. That is a huge sample size for a collegiate player. He's also a 52% shooter inside the arc and a 90% shooter from the FT line. Better defender than you might think too. The way he scores reminds me a lot of Luka Doncic (before you eat me alive, I'm in no way saying he'll be a similar player). Merrill will be in the elite of the elite when it comes to shooting. I think he'll have a 3PT contest trophy or two when it's all said and done.

It's hard for me to find a place to draft Reed, given I think we need a genuine center who can defend 4s as well over a guy who can defend 3-5, but if we drafted Terry at #14, I would then draft Tillman and #26 and Reed at #30, alongside Merrill at #47. That would give us two of the genuinely elite 3PT shooters and two of the elite defenders 6'9 and taller.

The bolded would be a nice draft night for me.  If Kira Lewis over Tyrell Terry that's ok.  Whomever Danny thinks can fit with Brad (if they're close enough in talent).  Terry seems easy to fit for a few years as a specialist...before devloping enough to take over the PG.  I like that he's considered an excellent passer with great IQ, but I also value defense highly...so tough call.
Given that he's grown I'll trust Brad and Smart to whip him into shape. The narrative before arriving in Boston was that Kemba couldn't play D, but our schemes really helped him become quite solid. Only exposed in the playoffs due to lack of size, but given Terry is apparently 6'3 and gaining weight I think we could hide that
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #413 on: September 30, 2020, 08:41:06 PM »

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Per this video.  These are the top 5 shooters on the move

This is how Miami Robinson , Herro and Dragic killed the Celtics

Shooting the 3 on the move, around screens, handoffs,  using screens as shield. Constant motion

Never heard of Nate Darling (https://youtu.be/v-7x0DgyNbE?t=65). But he looks like a 6'5 Duncan Robinson, the way he is running around screens like that

If the Celts could draft two of these players. That would be real nice. Some 3pt shooting assassins

5 top shooters on the move
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-7x0DgyNbE


Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #414 on: September 30, 2020, 08:53:05 PM »

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I want Terry or Maxey assuming the story that Terry gained 20 pounds is true.

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #415 on: September 30, 2020, 09:22:03 PM »

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Per this video.  These are the top 5 shooters on the move

This is how Miami Robinson , Herro and Dragic killed the Celtics

Shooting the 3 on the move, around screens, handoffs,  using screens as shield. Constant motion

Never heard of Nate Darling (https://youtu.be/v-7x0DgyNbE?t=65). But he looks like a 6'5 Duncan Robinson, the way he is running around screens like that

If the Celts could draft two of these players. That would be real nice. Some 3pt shooting assassins

5 top shooters on the move
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-7x0DgyNbE

Good video!
« Last Edit: September 30, 2020, 09:34:38 PM by liam »

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #416 on: September 30, 2020, 09:25:02 PM »

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I'm mixed on Terry. On one hand, I think his shooting is super legit. Best shooter in the draft, edging out Nesmith because of sample size and form. Could definitely see him become one on the best shooters in the league. Also love his competitive fire and hustle.

On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing everything else translating to the NBA level. His body is a huge issue for me. 160 pounds + eh athleticism and wingspan is gonna get him eaten alive in the NBA, both on defense and on finishing at the rim on offense. I hope that him gaining 20 pounds is legit, because he desperately needs at least that. His handles and passing are decent, but I don't believe they're good enough to be a point guard at the moment. His turnover-to-assist ratio wasn't very impressive.

I'd say that his ceiling would be something like a CJ McCollum-esc player, while his floor would be something like Seth Curry. I would be fine with drafting him at 14 tho, and I would be feel confident that the coaching staff can get him to reach his full potential.
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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #417 on: September 30, 2020, 09:31:01 PM »

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I'm mixed on Terry. On one hand, I think his shooting is super legit. Best shooter in the draft, edging out Nesmith because of sample size and form. Could definitely see him become one on the best shooters in the league. Also love his competitive fire and hustle.

On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing everything else translating to the NBA level. His body is a huge issue for me. 160 pounds + eh athleticism and wingspan is gonna get him eaten alive in the NBA, both on defense and on finishing at the rim on offense. I hope that him gaining 20 pounds is legit, because he desperately needs at least that. His handles and passing are decent, but I don't believe they're good enough to be a point guard at the moment. His turnover-to-assist ratio wasn't very impressive.

I'd say that his ceiling would be something like a CJ McCollum-esc player, while his floor would be something like Seth Curry. I would be fine with drafting him at 14 tho, and I would be feel confident that the coaching staff can get him to reach his full potential.
That’s my biggest qualm with Terry. From what I’ve seen he doesn’t have the quickness on offence that guys like Curry, Kyrie, Kemba, Trae and even Schroder have to offset their slight builds. That’s why I rate Kira Lewis ahead of him.

But with that shooting he’ll succeed. Hard not to
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SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #418 on: September 30, 2020, 09:37:26 PM »

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I'm mixed on Terry. On one hand, I think his shooting is super legit. Best shooter in the draft, edging out Nesmith because of sample size and form. Could definitely see him become one on the best shooters in the league. Also love his competitive fire and hustle.

On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing everything else translating to the NBA level. His body is a huge issue for me. 160 pounds + eh athleticism and wingspan is gonna get him eaten alive in the NBA, both on defense and on finishing at the rim on offense. I hope that him gaining 20 pounds is legit, because he desperately needs at least that. His handles and passing are decent, but I don't believe they're good enough to be a point guard at the moment. His turnover-to-assist ratio wasn't very impressive.

I'd say that his ceiling would be something like a CJ McCollum-esc player, while his floor would be something like Seth Curry. I would be fine with drafting him at 14 tho, and I would be feel confident that the coaching staff can get him to reach his full potential.
That’s my biggest qualm with Terry. From what I’ve seen he doesn’t have the quickness on offence that guys like Curry, Kyrie, Kemba, Trae and even Schroder have to offset their slight builds. That’s why I rate Kira Lewis ahead of him.

But with that shooting he’ll succeed. Hard not to
Yeah, which is why I wouldn't mind taking him at 14. At the very least he'll seemingly be a great shooter, if only just a great shooter.
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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #419 on: September 30, 2020, 09:41:23 PM »

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I'm mixed on Terry. On one hand, I think his shooting is super legit. Best shooter in the draft, edging out Nesmith because of sample size and form. Could definitely see him become one on the best shooters in the league. Also love his competitive fire and hustle.

On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing everything else translating to the NBA level. His body is a huge issue for me. 160 pounds + eh athleticism and wingspan is gonna get him eaten alive in the NBA, both on defense and on finishing at the rim on offense. I hope that him gaining 20 pounds is legit, because he desperately needs at least that. His handles and passing are decent, but I don't believe they're good enough to be a point guard at the moment. His turnover-to-assist ratio wasn't very impressive.

I'd say that his ceiling would be something like a CJ McCollum-esc player, while his floor would be something like Seth Curry. I would be fine with drafting him at 14 tho, and I would be feel confident that the coaching staff can get him to reach his full potential.
That’s my biggest qualm with Terry. From what I’ve seen he doesn’t have the quickness on offence that guys like Curry, Kyrie, Kemba, Trae and even Schroder have to offset their slight builds. That’s why I rate Kira Lewis ahead of him.

But with that shooting he’ll succeed. Hard not to
Yeah, which is why I wouldn't mind taking him at 14. At the very least he'll seemingly be a great shooter, if only just a great shooter.

Nesmith at 14 makes more sense. Just as elite a shooter and better size.