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Who you got at #14? (players are listed in random order)

Tyrell Terry
13 (24.5%)
Patrick Williams
6 (11.3%)
Precious Achiuwa
4 (7.5%)
R.J. Hampton
4 (7.5%)
Aleksej Pokusevski
3 (5.7%)
Saddiq Bey
5 (9.4%)
Jalen Smith
4 (7.5%)
Aaron Nesmith
8 (15.1%)
Kira Lewis Jr.
3 (5.7%)
Cole Anthony
2 (3.8%)
other (please name below and I'll include him in the poll)
1 (1.9%)

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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #420 on: September 30, 2020, 09:47:04 PM »

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I'm mixed on Terry. On one hand, I think his shooting is super legit. Best shooter in the draft, edging out Nesmith because of sample size and form. Could definitely see him become one on the best shooters in the league. Also love his competitive fire and hustle.

On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing everything else translating to the NBA level. His body is a huge issue for me. 160 pounds + eh athleticism and wingspan is gonna get him eaten alive in the NBA, both on defense and on finishing at the rim on offense. I hope that him gaining 20 pounds is legit, because he desperately needs at least that. His handles and passing are decent, but I don't believe they're good enough to be a point guard at the moment. His turnover-to-assist ratio wasn't very impressive.

I'd say that his ceiling would be something like a CJ McCollum-esc player, while his floor would be something like Seth Curry. I would be fine with drafting him at 14 tho, and I would be feel confident that the coaching staff can get him to reach his full potential.
That’s my biggest qualm with Terry. From what I’ve seen he doesn’t have the quickness on offence that guys like Curry, Kyrie, Kemba, Trae and even Schroder have to offset their slight builds. That’s why I rate Kira Lewis ahead of him.

But with that shooting he’ll succeed. Hard not to
Yeah, which is why I wouldn't mind taking him at 14. At the very least he'll seemingly be a great shooter, if only just a great shooter.

Nesmith at 14 makes more sense. Just as elite a shooter and better size.
He may very well be gone by 14. I've seen him picked at around 10-14 in most mocks. For some reason, I have a bad feeling about Nesmith. This more subjective than anything, but I think he looks so stiff and robotic when he plays. Maybe it's because his handles and playmaking are so abysmal, but he's giving me RoCo vibes on offense. I do like his shooting and defense tho.
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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #421 on: September 30, 2020, 09:48:56 PM »

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Tom Westerholm, tweeted the following,

Guard prospect/sharp shooter Desmond Bane says he spoke to the Celtics very early on. He believes his shooting and versatility would be a good fit, and compares his "junkyard dog” mentality to Marcus Smart.
i would very much like the celtics to pick bane at 26. he is a very good 3 point shooter, but most of all he just plays very hard. physically he reminds me of a shorter grant williams.  ;D

i do not know how good his defense is since the highlights show mostly offense. does anyone know about his defense?

Here is an improvement analysis for Bane.
https://youtu.be/O4L6a_hhh28

This is a good video of were Bane needs improvement but I think too that he'll be more of an off ball role player in the NBA instead of a number one option like he was in college. He's a high IQ guy with a good motor that can really shoot.

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #422 on: September 30, 2020, 10:14:56 PM »

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I'm mixed on Terry. On one hand, I think his shooting is super legit. Best shooter in the draft, edging out Nesmith because of sample size and form. Could definitely see him become one on the best shooters in the league. Also love his competitive fire and hustle.

On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing everything else translating to the NBA level. His body is a huge issue for me. 160 pounds + eh athleticism and wingspan is gonna get him eaten alive in the NBA, both on defense and on finishing at the rim on offense. I hope that him gaining 20 pounds is legit, because he desperately needs at least that. His handles and passing are decent, but I don't believe they're good enough to be a point guard at the moment. His turnover-to-assist ratio wasn't very impressive.

I'd say that his ceiling would be something like a CJ McCollum-esc player, while his floor would be something like Seth Curry. I would be fine with drafting him at 14 tho, and I would be feel confident that the coaching staff can get him to reach his full potential.
That’s my biggest qualm with Terry. From what I’ve seen he doesn’t have the quickness on offence that guys like Curry, Kyrie, Kemba, Trae and even Schroder have to offset their slight builds. That’s why I rate Kira Lewis ahead of him.

But with that shooting he’ll succeed. Hard not to
Yeah, which is why I wouldn't mind taking him at 14. At the very least he'll seemingly be a great shooter, if only just a great shooter.

Nesmith at 14 makes more sense. Just as elite a shooter and better size.
He may very well be gone by 14. I've seen him picked at around 10-14 in most mocks. For some reason, I have a bad feeling about Nesmith. This more subjective than anything, but I think he looks so stiff and robotic when he plays. Maybe it's because his handles and playmaking are so abysmal, but he's giving me RoCo vibes on offense. I do like his shooting and defense tho.

Yeah, this draft is all over the map. I've never seen so much movement from mock to mock like I have this year. Someone really good could fall down to 14. There is usually a consensus on the lotto picks but this year some of those guys will fall and some of those lower guys will climb into the lotto. 

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #423 on: September 30, 2020, 10:25:27 PM »

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I'm mixed on Terry. On one hand, I think his shooting is super legit. Best shooter in the draft, edging out Nesmith because of sample size and form. Could definitely see him become one on the best shooters in the league. Also love his competitive fire and hustle.

On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing everything else translating to the NBA level. His body is a huge issue for me. 160 pounds + eh athleticism and wingspan is gonna get him eaten alive in the NBA, both on defense and on finishing at the rim on offense. I hope that him gaining 20 pounds is legit, because he desperately needs at least that. His handles and passing are decent, but I don't believe they're good enough to be a point guard at the moment. His turnover-to-assist ratio wasn't very impressive.

I'd say that his ceiling would be something like a CJ McCollum-esc player, while his floor would be something like Seth Curry. I would be fine with drafting him at 14 tho, and I would be feel confident that the coaching staff can get him to reach his full potential.
That’s my biggest qualm with Terry. From what I’ve seen he doesn’t have the quickness on offence that guys like Curry, Kyrie, Kemba, Trae and even Schroder have to offset their slight builds. That’s why I rate Kira Lewis ahead of him.

But with that shooting he’ll succeed. Hard not to
Yeah, which is why I wouldn't mind taking him at 14. At the very least he'll seemingly be a great shooter, if only just a great shooter.

Nesmith at 14 makes more sense. Just as elite a shooter and better size.
He may very well be gone by 14. I've seen him picked at around 10-14 in most mocks. For some reason, I have a bad feeling about Nesmith. This more subjective than anything, but I think he looks so stiff and robotic when he plays. Maybe it's because his handles and playmaking are so abysmal, but he's giving me RoCo vibes on offense. I do like his shooting and defense tho.

Yeah, this draft is all over the map. I've never seen so much movement from mock to mock like I have this year. Someone really good could fall down to 14. There is usually a consensus on the lotto picks but this year some of those guys will fall and some of those lower guys will climb into the lotto.
Yeah, the issues caused by COVID and the fact that there is no consensus on talent tiers has made this draft more fluid than any draft I've ever seen. Probably why it's so exciting to me
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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #424 on: September 30, 2020, 10:30:32 PM »

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Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.
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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #425 on: October 01, 2020, 08:52:56 AM »

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Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.   

 
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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #426 on: October 01, 2020, 09:11:18 AM »

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Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.

I love the draft too. I think this draft will closely mirror the Oladipo-Giannis-Olynyk-Bennett draft. I think there will be multiple busts that are drafted too early and collapse under the pressure of expectations, but I think there will also be ringer talents/athletes that are taken later that develop with a chip on their shoulder.

As a general rule in life, ability prevails in chaos. This NBA year is chaotic, which means the best organizations and basketball minds will likely have success, while the worst organizations and basketball minds will likely Thabeet and Bennet type picks.

Danny Ainge is one of the best basketball decision-makers in the NBA. I like our chances.

I am looking forward to the moment Ainge drafts someone I never thought he would. I will immediately frantically search out that player's stats and highlights and talk myself into how that player will be the perfect piece next to Tatum and Brown in our next championship run.

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #427 on: October 01, 2020, 09:37:11 AM »

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Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.

Wiseman will not go top 3.  He may drop out of top 10.  He is JaVale McGee.  His day has passed.

I rate Precious Achiuwa higher, and hope the Celtics strongly consider drafting him.  I like Precious' long term future over Okongwu too, my hot take. He has some much more range on the offensive end than Okongwu.  Perfect swing 4-5 guy.  Only worry his foul shooting percentage.

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #428 on: October 01, 2020, 09:54:23 AM »

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Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.

Wiseman will not go top 3.  He may drop out of top 10.  He is JaVale McGee.  His day has passed.

I rate Precious Achiuwa higher, and hope the Celtics strongly consider drafting him.  I like Precious' long term future over Okongwu too, my hot take. He has some much more range on the offensive end than Okongwu.  Perfect swing 4-5 guy.  Only worry his foul shooting percentage.
If Wiseman falls out of the top 10, I'm going all in trading for that 11th pick to get him.
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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #429 on: October 01, 2020, 09:55:05 AM »

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Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.

Wiseman will not go top 3.  He may drop out of top 10.  He is JaVale McGee.  His day has passed.

I rate Precious Achiuwa higher, and hope the Celtics strongly consider drafting him.  I like Precious' long term future over Okongwu too, my hot take. He has some much more range on the offensive end than Okongwu.  Perfect swing 4-5 guy.  Only worry his foul shooting percentage.

I disagree strongly on Wiseman, but I agree on Achiuwa and Okongwu. I rate them pretty similarly as prospects. I think Achiuwa will be able to play on the perimeter a little more than Okongwu, but I think Okongwu will be a better team defender than Achiuwa.

I'm curious why you think that about Wiseman? In a few games, I think he's already shown more post moves and better shooting touch than Javale McGee has right now. I don't think anyone has seen enough Wiseman possessions to be able to predict confidently his defensive rotations or his ability to run the offense from the top of the key in DHOs. But I see more ability in him than a player like McGee.

I think he is at least a comparable prospect to DeAndre Ayton, who was a poor defender in college and shied away from contact inside leading to low free throw numbers. I think he is at least a Hassan Whiteside level of player in the pros.

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #430 on: October 01, 2020, 10:00:28 AM »

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Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.

Wiseman will not go top 3.  He may drop out of top 10.  He is JaVale McGee.  His day has passed.

I rate Precious Achiuwa higher, and hope the Celtics strongly consider drafting him.  I like Precious' long term future over Okongwu too, my hot take. He has some much more range on the offensive end than Okongwu.  Perfect swing 4-5 guy.  Only worry his foul shooting percentage.
If Wiseman falls out of the top 10, I'm going all in trading for that 11th pick to get him.

Yep. A talent falling might be just the chip on his shoulder he needs to motivate him. He'd be a great fit with this core.

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #431 on: October 01, 2020, 10:15:55 AM »

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Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.

Wiseman will not go top 3.  He may drop out of top 10.  He is JaVale McGee.  His day has passed.

I rate Precious Achiuwa higher, and hope the Celtics strongly consider drafting him.  I like Precious' long term future over Okongwu too, my hot take. He has some much more range on the offensive end than Okongwu.  Perfect swing 4-5 guy.  Only worry his foul shooting percentage.

sorry but where are you getting your intel from?

Wiseman is a top 3-5 pick candidate

He is a legit 7 ft + long wingspan/reach,  moves well, jumps well and has a nice looking jump shot that looks like could expand


Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #432 on: October 01, 2020, 10:18:19 AM »

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I would just trade these picks for proven veteran quality players. We need to win-now, not draft more prospects to figure out if they work out or not. Otherwise this team is gonna keep waiting for another 22 years to get to banner 18.


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Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #433 on: October 01, 2020, 10:22:02 AM »

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Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.

Wiseman will not go top 3.  He may drop out of top 10.  He is JaVale McGee.  His day has passed.

I rate Precious Achiuwa higher, and hope the Celtics strongly consider drafting him.  I like Precious' long term future over Okongwu too, my hot take. He has some much more range on the offensive end than Okongwu.  Perfect swing 4-5 guy.  Only worry his foul shooting percentage.

I disagree strongly on Wiseman, but I agree on Achiuwa and Okongwu. I rate them pretty similarly as prospects. I think Achiuwa will be able to play on the perimeter a little more than Okongwu, but I think Okongwu will be a better team defender than Achiuwa.

I'm curious why you think that about Wiseman? In a few games, I think he's already shown more post moves and better shooting touch than Javale McGee has right now. I don't think anyone has seen enough Wiseman possessions to be able to predict confidently his defensive rotations or his ability to run the offense from the top of the key in DHOs. But I see more ability in him than a player like McGee.

I think he is at least a comparable prospect to DeAndre Ayton, who was a poor defender in college and shied away from contact inside leading to low free throw numbers. I think he is at least a Hassan Whiteside level of player in the pros.

The reason Okongwu is ranked higher is that he at least makes his FTs

Achiuwa has a broken jump shot . He also shot at 59 percent from the FT line

Tbh I don't think Celts take Achiuwa at 14. And instead go for Jalen Smith or Xavier Tillman

Re: Who You Got with the 14th Pick?
« Reply #434 on: October 01, 2020, 10:24:09 AM »

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I would just trade these picks for proven veteran quality players. We need to win-now, not draft more prospects to figure out if they work out or not. Otherwise this team is gonna keep waiting for another 22 years to get to banner 18.
We don't need to "win now". Last time I checked, our two best players are 22 and 23 years old. Getting good talent on cheap contracts is just as important as getting good veteran talent.
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