Who You Got with the 14th Pick? (Poll added)

[Tr1boy]

If Celts miss out or skip on Terry ... I wouldn't mind Lewis Jr. at 26 or Riller at 30. 

Celts do need to add depth to the PG position.  I doubt Wannamaker will be brought back

Doubt Lewis available at 26.

You'd take Terry at 14 but not Lewis? This I don't get.

one of the CBS mockers has Lewis going at pick 8 to the Knicks...very doubtful...they could trade down...but he certainly won't be there at 26.

no way. Too high for him

Given it's the Knicks it's certainly a possibility

At least one of Hayes, Haliburton, Vassell should be available at 8... well decent chance

[gouki88]

If Celts miss out or skip on Terry ... I wouldn't mind Lewis Jr. at 26 or Riller at 30. 

Celts do need to add depth to the PG position.  I doubt Wannamaker will be brought back

Doubt Lewis available at 26.

You'd take Terry at 14 but not Lewis? This I don't get.

yup. Terry is a better halfcourt player (pnr/pnp/passing) and shooter (3pt and mid range)

Lewis Jr. has tremendous speed.  But unless you play a dumb team that gives up multiple fast break points,  Lewis Jr. will need to iron out his game and add some more mass.   

His defense also needs tweaking.   Overall he will need to some time down in Maine

Lol, wut? Terry is more immediately unplayable than Lewis given his weak defence, whereas Lewis has excellent defensive footwork and uses his speed to bait players and steal the ball, and Lewis has already added 15lbs in the pre-draft process, similarly to Terry. Physically they're both around 6'3 and 180lbs.

There is no way a 19 year-old who has played 2 seasons of college ball already would spend time in Maine.

Also, you realise the Toronto Raptors (#2 seed) had an offence based upon generating fast-break points, right? It's not just something "dumb teams" give up, it's a legitimate strategy that leads to wins

[liam]

If Celts miss out or skip on Terry ... I wouldn't mind Lewis Jr. at 26 or Riller at 30. 

Celts do need to add depth to the PG position.  I doubt Wannamaker will be brought back

Doubt Lewis available at 26.

You'd take Terry at 14 but not Lewis? This I don't get.

one of the CBS mockers has Lewis going at pick 8 to the Knicks...very doubtful...they could trade down...but he certainly won't be there at 26.

no way. Too high for him

Given it's the Knicks it's certainly a possibility

At least one of Hayes, Haliburton, Vassell should be available at 8... well decent chance

If The Celtics could move up to 8 and grab Vassell I would be thrilled. The more I watch this kid the more I like. There are lots of solid players in this draft.

[Sophomore]

If Celts miss out or skip on Terry ... I wouldn't mind Lewis Jr. at 26 or Riller at 30. 

Celts do need to add depth to the PG position.  I doubt Wannamaker will be brought back

Doubt Lewis available at 26.

You'd take Terry at 14 but not Lewis? This I don't get.

one of the CBS mockers has Lewis going at pick 8 to the Knicks...very doubtful...they could trade down...but he certainly won't be there at 26.

no way. Too high for him

Given it's the Knicks it's certainly a possibility

At least one of Hayes, Haliburton, Vassell should be available at 8... well decent chance

If The Celtics could move up to 8 and grab Vassell I would be thrilled. The more I watch this kid the more I like. There are lots of solid players in this draft.

6’7” with long arms, a high-motor defensive player with plus BB IQ on D, shot above 40% from 3 for the past two years? I’m intrigued. We’ve obviously got other needs - I’d love to find a taller PG of the future, and some ppl were saying Hayes could slip to that spot. I think everybody’s interested in Okongwu. But Vassel could also work as a high-floor guy. If he’s in the same tier as Thybulle as a defender - as some say - our young core could be scary good at the wing and guard.

[liam]

If Celts miss out or skip on Terry ... I wouldn't mind Lewis Jr. at 26 or Riller at 30. 

Celts do need to add depth to the PG position.  I doubt Wannamaker will be brought back

Doubt Lewis available at 26.

You'd take Terry at 14 but not Lewis? This I don't get.

one of the CBS mockers has Lewis going at pick 8 to the Knicks...very doubtful...they could trade down...but he certainly won't be there at 26.

no way. Too high for him

Given it's the Knicks it's certainly a possibility

At least one of Hayes, Haliburton, Vassell should be available at 8... well decent chance

If The Celtics could move up to 8 and grab Vassell I would be thrilled. The more I watch this kid the more I like. There are lots of solid players in this draft.

6’7” with long arms, a high-motor defensive player with plus BB IQ on D, shot above 40% from 3 for the past two years? I’m intrigued. We’ve obviously got other needs - I’d love to find a taller PG of the future, and some ppl were saying Hayes could slip to that spot. I think everybody’s interested in Okongwu. But Vassel could also work as a high-floor guy. If he’s in the same tier as Thybulle as a defender - as some say - our young core could be scary good at the wing and guard.

Vassell has got a little Reggie Lewis vibe to him. Crazy long arms and always moving. There are quite a few players in this draft I'd be happy with. I see this whole draft as low ceilings and high floors. It's like a whole draft of 6th, 7th and 8th men. It's exactly what the Celtics could've used this year in the playoffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ZtJw1k3bk

[Somebody]

If Celts miss out or skip on Terry ... I wouldn't mind Lewis Jr. at 26 or Riller at 30. 

Celts do need to add depth to the PG position.  I doubt Wannamaker will be brought back

Doubt Lewis available at 26.

You'd take Terry at 14 but not Lewis? This I don't get.

yup. Terry is a better halfcourt player (pnr/pnp/passing) and shooter (3pt and mid range)

Lewis Jr. has tremendous speed.  But unless you play a dumb team that gives up multiple fast break points,  Lewis Jr. will need to iron out his game and add some more mass.   

His defense also needs tweaking.   Overall he will need to some time down in Maine

Lol, wut? Terry is more immediately unplayable than Lewis given his weak defence, whereas Lewis has excellent defensive footwork and uses his speed to bait players and steal the ball, and Lewis has already added 15lbs in the pre-draft process, similarly to Terry. Physically they're both around 6'3 and 180lbs.

There is no way a 19 year-old who has played 2 seasons of college ball already would spend time in Maine.

Also, you realise the Toronto Raptors (#2 seed) had an offence based upon generating fast-break points, right? It's not just something "dumb teams" give up, it's a legitimate strategy that leads to wins

Tbf we play backup PGs to keep the offence flowing, we can hide Terry somewhat even if his growth spurt doesn't make him a better defender (iirc his DIQ and team defence are pretty solid?).

The Raptors were also the reincarnation of the '94 Bulls (aka a 2 round team instead of a 3-4 round team like us or the Heat) because of their reliance on FB offence, it's not very resilient and gets chipped away at come playoff time. I'd definitely take decent on-ball offence + good off-ball play over a raw wrecking ball in transition for our bench.

[gouki88]

If Celts miss out or skip on Terry ... I wouldn't mind Lewis Jr. at 26 or Riller at 30. 

Celts do need to add depth to the PG position.  I doubt Wannamaker will be brought back

Doubt Lewis available at 26.

You'd take Terry at 14 but not Lewis? This I don't get.

yup. Terry is a better halfcourt player (pnr/pnp/passing) and shooter (3pt and mid range)

Lewis Jr. has tremendous speed.  But unless you play a dumb team that gives up multiple fast break points,  Lewis Jr. will need to iron out his game and add some more mass.   

His defense also needs tweaking.   Overall he will need to some time down in Maine

Lol, wut? Terry is more immediately unplayable than Lewis given his weak defence, whereas Lewis has excellent defensive footwork and uses his speed to bait players and steal the ball, and Lewis has already added 15lbs in the pre-draft process, similarly to Terry. Physically they're both around 6'3 and 180lbs.

There is no way a 19 year-old who has played 2 seasons of college ball already would spend time in Maine.

Also, you realise the Toronto Raptors (#2 seed) had an offence based upon generating fast-break points, right? It's not just something "dumb teams" give up, it's a legitimate strategy that leads to wins

Tbf we play backup PGs to keep the offence flowing, we can hide Terry somewhat even if his growth spurt doesn't make him a better defender (iirc his DIQ and team defence are pretty solid?).

The Raptors were also the reincarnation of the '94 Bulls (aka a 2 round team instead of a 3-4 round team like us or the Heat) because of their reliance on FB offence, it's not very resilient and gets chipped away at come playoff time. I'd definitely take decent on-ball offence + good off-ball play over a raw wrecking ball in transition for our bench.

No doubt we can, I just don’t think Terry is a better prospect than Lewis, nor do I view Lewis as better than Terry.

I don’t think Terry is only suited to fast paced ball either. He’s a good off-ball mover, especially cutting to the basket, and he’s showed a lot of development as a ball-handler in the PnR.

I think both Terry and Lewis could be fringe All-Star players, similar to CJ McCollum and OKC Dennis Schroder respectively

[Tr1boy]

If Celts miss out or skip on Terry ... I wouldn't mind Lewis Jr. at 26 or Riller at 30. 

Celts do need to add depth to the PG position.  I doubt Wannamaker will be brought back

Doubt Lewis available at 26.

You'd take Terry at 14 but not Lewis? This I don't get.

yup. Terry is a better halfcourt player (pnr/pnp/passing) and shooter (3pt and mid range)

Lewis Jr. has tremendous speed.  But unless you play a dumb team that gives up multiple fast break points,  Lewis Jr. will need to iron out his game and add some more mass.   

His defense also needs tweaking.   Overall he will need to some time down in Maine

Lol, wut? Terry is more immediately unplayable than Lewis given his weak defence, whereas Lewis has excellent defensive footwork and uses his speed to bait players and steal the ball, and Lewis has already added 15lbs in the pre-draft process, similarly to Terry. Physically they're both around 6'3 and 180lbs.

There is no way a 19 year-old who has played 2 seasons of college ball already would spend time in Maine.

Also, you realise the Toronto Raptors (#2 seed) had an offence based upon generating fast-break points, right? It's not just something "dumb teams" give up, it's a legitimate strategy that leads to wins

Tbf we play backup PGs to keep the offence flowing, we can hide Terry somewhat even if his growth spurt doesn't make him a better defender (iirc his DIQ and team defence are pretty solid?).

The Raptors were also the reincarnation of the '94 Bulls (aka a 2 round team instead of a 3-4 round team like us or the Heat) because of their reliance on FB offence, it's not very resilient and gets chipped away at come playoff time. I'd definitely take decent on-ball offence + good off-ball play over a raw wrecking ball in transition for our bench.

No doubt we can, I just don’t think Terry is a better prospect than Lewis, nor do I view Lewis as better than Terry.

I don’t think Terry is only suited to fast paced ball either. He’s a good off-ball mover, especially cutting to the basket, and he’s showed a lot of development as a ball-handler in the PnR.

I think both Terry and Lewis could be fringe All-Star players, similar to CJ McCollum and OKC Dennis Schroder respectively

I still say Terry is a better prospect than Lewis Jr.

A small reason but provides insight into the difference in IQ , is that Terry gets blocked near the basket at a lower rate. He utilizes screens/changes speed,  different angles/high off backboard, quick up and unders in the air etc to get his shot over/around defenders and into the basket

Lewis Jr.  has a much simpler approach and tries to rely on his speed to finish at the rim.  They are usually simpler type finishes.  He is not vertically explosive either so from the games/clips I have seen,  he does get blocked more.

Lewis Jr. did look better on defense/has an edge in physical tools at D. But thats prior to having knowledge that Terry has added 20 lbs.  (and you state Lewis Jr. added 15lbs)

Its too bad Danny can't work them out. 

Again, I like both prospects but Terry a bit more due to a ticker higher IQ and exceptional shooting ability. He can also play off the ball, run around screens,  set and pop  in situations where Tatum, Smart, Walker etc.  are handling the ball

[knuckleballer]

Regarding Terry’s bbiq:

“According to a person who spoke to USA TODAY Sports Media Group’s Rookie Wire on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, Tyrell Terry “broke a record” for a basketball IQ test administered by several NBA front offices this offseason. Already considered one of the best shooters in the class, he would be a welcome addition to any NBA franchise.”
https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2020/06/16/tyrell-terry-broke-a-record-for-a-basketball-iq-test-given-by-teams/

[Tr1boy]

Anyone else getting serious ET vibes from Naji Marshall? Athletic wing who thrives scoring inside and playmaking for others, is solid on defence, and can't shoot to himself. No interest in him here, but could see Portland or GS taking him with a 2nd rounder in the 45-60 range.

I think he'll give a team a good playmaking wing off the bench if he reigns in his tendency of throwing up shots

Chris Grenham: The Celtics have met with Xavier’s Naji Marshall, per source. 3 days ago – via Twitter chrisgrenham

[footey]

Anyone else getting serious ET vibes from Naji Marshall? Athletic wing who thrives scoring inside and playmaking for others, is solid on defence, and can't shoot to himself. No interest in him here, but could see Portland or GS taking him with a 2nd rounder in the 45-60 range.

I think he'll give a team a good playmaking wing off the bench if he reigns in his tendency of throwing up shots

Chris Grenham: The Celtics have met with Xavier’s Naji Marshall, per source. 3 days ago – via Twitter chrisgrenham

Scouting report below from Stepien, pretty decent, especially ability to guard multiple positions.

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/01/24/case-naji-marshall/

[Somebody]

If Celts miss out or skip on Terry ... I wouldn't mind Lewis Jr. at 26 or Riller at 30. 

Celts do need to add depth to the PG position.  I doubt Wannamaker will be brought back

Doubt Lewis available at 26.

You'd take Terry at 14 but not Lewis? This I don't get.

yup. Terry is a better halfcourt player (pnr/pnp/passing) and shooter (3pt and mid range)

Lewis Jr. has tremendous speed.  But unless you play a dumb team that gives up multiple fast break points,  Lewis Jr. will need to iron out his game and add some more mass.   

His defense also needs tweaking.   Overall he will need to some time down in Maine

Lol, wut? Terry is more immediately unplayable than Lewis given his weak defence, whereas Lewis has excellent defensive footwork and uses his speed to bait players and steal the ball, and Lewis has already added 15lbs in the pre-draft process, similarly to Terry. Physically they're both around 6'3 and 180lbs.

There is no way a 19 year-old who has played 2 seasons of college ball already would spend time in Maine.

Also, you realise the Toronto Raptors (#2 seed) had an offence based upon generating fast-break points, right? It's not just something "dumb teams" give up, it's a legitimate strategy that leads to wins

Tbf we play backup PGs to keep the offence flowing, we can hide Terry somewhat even if his growth spurt doesn't make him a better defender (iirc his DIQ and team defence are pretty solid?).

The Raptors were also the reincarnation of the '94 Bulls (aka a 2 round team instead of a 3-4 round team like us or the Heat) because of their reliance on FB offence, it's not very resilient and gets chipped away at come playoff time. I'd definitely take decent on-ball offence + good off-ball play over a raw wrecking ball in transition for our bench.

No doubt we can, I just don’t think Terry is a better prospect than Lewis, nor do I view Lewis as better than Terry.

I don’t think Terry is only suited to fast paced ball either. He’s a good off-ball mover, especially cutting to the basket, and he’s showed a lot of development as a ball-handler in the PnR.

I think both Terry and Lewis could be fringe All-Star players, similar to CJ McCollum and OKC Dennis Schroder respectively

If Terry is as good as the scouting reports and news snippets say he is I think he's a potential Curry lite. That combination of shooting, on-ball skills and off-ball movement with high basketball IQ will be devastating in the NBA with a 6'3 frame that's not frighteningly skinny.

[Somebody]

Regarding Terry’s bbiq:

“According to a person who spoke to USA TODAY Sports Media Group’s Rookie Wire on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, Tyrell Terry “broke a record” for a basketball IQ test administered by several NBA front offices this offseason. Already considered one of the best shooters in the class, he would be a welcome addition to any NBA franchise.”
https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2020/06/16/tyrell-terry-broke-a-record-for-a-basketball-iq-test-given-by-teams/

Can Danny trade up to get him

[Tr1boy]

Anyone else getting serious ET vibes from Naji Marshall? Athletic wing who thrives scoring inside and playmaking for others, is solid on defence, and can't shoot to himself. No interest in him here, but could see Portland or GS taking him with a 2nd rounder in the 45-60 range.

I think he'll give a team a good playmaking wing off the bench if he reigns in his tendency of throwing up shots

Chris Grenham: The Celtics have met with Xavier’s Naji Marshall, per source. 3 days ago – via Twitter chrisgrenham

Scouting report below from Stepien, pretty decent, especially ability to guard multiple positions.

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/01/24/case-naji-marshall/

his handles look good. Its his shot that he needs to work on

he doesn't need to flick it with so much force.

consideration with 30th pick?

Feeling Tyreke Evans vibe with better D effort

[Jvalin]

Don't think it is possible to add a poll in the other thread, hence I created this one. Personally speaking, I'd be very interested to see the results. Please merge the poll with the other thread.

Obviously, we cannot know which exact players will be available at #14. Having said that, it's possible to identify some players that almost definitely won't be available. With this in mind, I excluded the following players from the poll: Edwards, Ball, Wiseman, Avdija, Okongwu, Vassell, Haliburton, Okoro, Hayes and Toppin (in completely random order). Let's just assume that all these guys get selected earlier than #14. If you want me to add a specific player in the poll, just let me know.