Who You Got with the 14th Pick? (Poll added)

[Tr1boy]

Interesting quote,


from Brian Robb,

"Danny Ainge says Celtics will likely draft more for specific needs this year."

I have thought for a while that this would be a draft where BPA is kind of out the window. I view the Tiers in this draft as huge. Assuming that Ball, Edwards and Wiseman go top 3 (not a sure thing at all). There isn't a draft order of Hayes, Okongwu, Avdija, Okoro, Hampton, Maxey, Anthony, Haliburton, Vassel, P Williams, and Toppin that would surprise me. I can also see players like Terry, Lewis, Nesmith,J Green,  S Bey, and Achiuwa mixing with that group. With so little difference in talent between these prospects fit becomes key.

My Bad fits
Toppin, will never hold up on D
Nesmith, lacks skill set outside of shooting and over rated on D
Haliburton, great player but not a creator off the dribble and feels to redundant with Smart on offense

Nesmith a "bad fit" After getting spanked by 3 point shooting team?  Really? 

Toppin, I agree.  TL can't get on the floor with Brad and much better defender.

I don't know enough about Haliburton, but seems like he can create off dribble fine, just is so thin has trouble getting position.  I'd be happy with him though.

I don't understand some on this board.  If Nesmith is available, why not take the best 3-pt shooter in the draft?  .522 on over 8 shots/game.

You cant say Nesmith is the best 3 pt shooter with a small sample size

He went out early due to an injury

His decision making/turnover is a little bit of a concern. Also defensive engagement

And these are things that could be tidied up.

But is Ainge or Stevens willing to be patient

Fair enough.  However, one of our biggest weaknesses is 3-pt shooting.  Again if he is on the board at 14, I would take the chance....easy for me to say.

If Celts can draft Terry and Darling in the 2nd round or Bane and Darling. We can also have some 3 pt sharpshooters on the team

Darling highlights.  Reminds me of Duncan Robinson with some Herro. The way he moves/utilizes screens.  6'5 200pounds.    I'm sold on him at 47

https://youtu.be/QolhaJZyBtM

[CFAN38]

Interesting quote,


from Brian Robb,

"Danny Ainge says Celtics will likely draft more for specific needs this year."

I have thought for a while that this would be a draft where BPA is kind of out the window. I view the Tiers in this draft as huge. Assuming that Ball, Edwards and Wiseman go top 3 (not a sure thing at all). There isn't a draft order of Hayes, Okongwu, Avdija, Okoro, Hampton, Maxey, Anthony, Haliburton, Vassel, P Williams, and Toppin that would surprise me. I can also see players like Terry, Lewis, Nesmith,J Green,  S Bey, and Achiuwa mixing with that group. With so little difference in talent between these prospects fit becomes key.

My Bad fits
Toppin, will never hold up on D
Nesmith, lacks skill set outside of shooting and over rated on D
Haliburton, great player but not a creator off the dribble and feels to redundant with Smart on offense

Nesmith a "bad fit" After getting spanked by 3 point shooting team?  Really? 

Toppin, I agree.  TL can't get on the floor with Brad and much better defender.

I don't know enough about Haliburton, but seems like he can create off dribble fine, just is so thin has trouble getting position.  I'd be happy with him though.

My major concerns with Neswith center around his foot speed. He seems heavy footed and I worry that will prevent him from defending the majority of wings in the NBA. I also worry that he will struggle to get separation off the dribble. Watching him move looks more like a 4/3 type them a perimeter player. At #14 I think their are better options. Don't get me wrong I would be ecstatic to land him at #26 but just feel like better top end talent will be available at #14.

[Jvalin]

Is it possible to add a poll in this thread? Personally speaking, I'd be very interested to see the results. Obviously, we cannot know which exact guys will be available at #14, but it's relatively easy to identify some guys that almost definitely won't be available. 

Fwiw, my target at #14 would be Saddiq Bey.

[CFAN38]

Is it possible to add a poll in this thread? Personally speaking, I'd be very interested to see the results. Obviously, we cannot know which exact guys will be available at #14, but it's relatively easy to identify some guys that almost definitely won't be available. 

Fwiw, my target at #14 would be Saddiq Bey.

I think its actually hard to identify who isn't going to be there.

Edwards
Ball
Wiseman

after those three I think its going to be pretty wide open

[Tr1boy]

Is it possible to add a poll in this thread? Personally speaking, I'd be very interested to see the results. Obviously, we cannot know which exact guys will be available at #14, but it's relatively easy to identify some guys that almost definitely won't be available. 

Fwiw, my target at #14 would be Saddiq Bey.

I think its actually hard to identify who isn't going to be there.

Edwards
Ball
Wiseman

after those three I think its going to be pretty wide open

And even then, those 3 may not be the top 3 

This draft is going to pure unpredictable

[Jvalin]

Is it possible to add a poll in this thread? Personally speaking, I'd be very interested to see the results. Obviously, we cannot know which exact guys will be available at #14, but it's relatively easy to identify some guys that almost definitely won't be available. 

Fwiw, my target at #14 would be Saddiq Bey.

I think its actually hard to identify who isn't going to be there.

Edwards
Ball
Wiseman

after those three I think its going to be pretty wide open

I'll be surprised if any of Edwards, Ball, Wiseman, Avdija, Okongwu, Vassell, Haliburton, Okoro, Hayes is still on the board at #14 (the order is completely random).

[wiley]

edit:  deleted, wrong thread

[Tr1boy]

I'm sure after the election Trump will get back to the occasional mild denouncement of White Supremacy Just not now when he needs every vote.  How dare we ask him to do it now!

wrong thread sir

[CFAN38]

Is it possible to add a poll in this thread? Personally speaking, I'd be very interested to see the results. Obviously, we cannot know which exact guys will be available at #14, but it's relatively easy to identify some guys that almost definitely won't be available. 

Fwiw, my target at #14 would be Saddiq Bey.

I think its actually hard to identify who isn't going to be there.

Edwards
Ball
Wiseman

after those three I think its going to be pretty wide open

And even then, those 3 may not be the top 3 

This draft is going to pure unpredictable

Agree,

Think we will at least see those 3 go top 5, not necessarily to the teams with top 5 picks. Betting there will be a lot of trades this year as teams target players they like and the lack of high end talent drives down the value of the top picks.

[gift]

Interesting quote,


from Brian Robb,

"Danny Ainge says Celtics will likely draft more for specific needs this year."

I have thought for a while that this would be a draft where BPA is kind of out the window. I view the Tiers in this draft as huge. Assuming that Ball, Edwards and Wiseman go top 3 (not a sure thing at all). There isn't a draft order of Hayes, Okongwu, Avdija, Okoro, Hampton, Maxey, Anthony, Haliburton, Vassel, P Williams, and Toppin that would surprise me. I can also see players like Terry, Lewis, Nesmith,J Green,  S Bey, and Achiuwa mixing with that group. With so little difference in talent between these prospects fit becomes key.

My Bad fits
Toppin, will never hold up on D
Nesmith, lacks skill set outside of shooting and over rated on D
Haliburton, great player but not a creator off the dribble and feels to redundant with Smart on offense

Nesmith a "bad fit" After getting spanked by 3 point shooting team?  Really? 

Toppin, I agree.  TL can't get on the floor with Brad and much better defender.

I don't know enough about Haliburton, but seems like he can create off dribble fine, just is so thin has trouble getting position.  I'd be happy with him though.

I don't understand some on this board.  If Nesmith is available, why not take the best 3-pt shooter in the draft?  .522 on over 8 shots/game.

You cant say Nesmith is the best 3 pt shooter with a small sample size

He went out early due to an injury

His decision making/turnover is a little bit of a concern. Also defensive engagement

And these are things that could be tidied up.

But is Ainge or Stevens willing to be patient

Yeah, Nesmith is tempting but that sample size borderline. Great number of attempts at 8 per game and a ridiculous %. However, was he just ridiculously hot for 14 games? The year before he shot .337 over 32 games. I'm sure he'll shoot a decent percentage, but his game looks to me to be pretty much only shooting. So worth it if he's shooting mid .400s but not so much if he even shoots a decent .370 from 3.

Compared with Terry who, in addition to shooting +.400 over 30 games, has the potential to be more than just a shooter, or Bane who's sample size of shooting well above .400 extends to 3 full seasons (and even .380 in his freshman year).

[knuckleballer]

Interesting quote,


from Brian Robb,

"Danny Ainge says Celtics will likely draft more for specific needs this year."

I have thought for a while that this would be a draft where BPA is kind of out the window. I view the Tiers in this draft as huge. Assuming that Ball, Edwards and Wiseman go top 3 (not a sure thing at all). There isn't a draft order of Hayes, Okongwu, Avdija, Okoro, Hampton, Maxey, Anthony, Haliburton, Vassel, P Williams, and Toppin that would surprise me. I can also see players like Terry, Lewis, Nesmith,J Green,  S Bey, and Achiuwa mixing with that group. With so little difference in talent between these prospects fit becomes key.

My Bad fits
Toppin, will never hold up on D
Nesmith, lacks skill set outside of shooting and over rated on D
Haliburton, great player but not a creator off the dribble and feels to redundant with Smart on offense

Nesmith a "bad fit" After getting spanked by 3 point shooting team?  Really? 

Toppin, I agree.  TL can't get on the floor with Brad and much better defender.

I don't know enough about Haliburton, but seems like he can create off dribble fine, just is so thin has trouble getting position.  I'd be happy with him though.

I don't understand some on this board.  If Nesmith is available, why not take the best 3-pt shooter in the draft?  .522 on over 8 shots/game.

You cant say Nesmith is the best 3 pt shooter with a small sample size

He went out early due to an injury

His decision making/turnover is a little bit of a concern. Also defensive engagement

And these are things that could be tidied up.

But is Ainge or Stevens willing to be patient

Yeah, Nesmith is tempting but that sample size borderline. Great number of attempts at 8 per game and a ridiculous %. However, was he just ridiculously hot for 14 games? The year before he shot .337 over 32 games. I'm sure he'll shoot a decent percentage, but his game looks to me to be pretty much only shooting. So worth it if he's shooting mid .400s but not so much if he even shoots a decent .370 from 3.

Compared with Terry who, in addition to shooting +.400 over 30 games, has the potential to be more than just a shooter, or Bane who's sample size of shooting well above .400 extends to 3 full seasons (and even .380 in his freshman year).

Nesmith only averaged 0.9 assists per game.  I know he’s not a pg, but that’s not encouraging.

Terry was a better free throw shooter, 89.% vs Nesmith’s 82.5%.

Look at how high Terry gets when dunking in this video.   I think it alleviates some of his athleticism concerns.
https://mobile.twitter.com/beyond_am/status/1309893843865792514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1309895360639381504%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbaanalysis.net%2F2020%2F09%2F26%2F2020-nba-draft-tyrell-terrys-stock-to-rise-with-latest-measurements%2F

[CFAN38]

Interesting quote,


from Brian Robb,

"Danny Ainge says Celtics will likely draft more for specific needs this year."

I have thought for a while that this would be a draft where BPA is kind of out the window. I view the Tiers in this draft as huge. Assuming that Ball, Edwards and Wiseman go top 3 (not a sure thing at all). There isn't a draft order of Hayes, Okongwu, Avdija, Okoro, Hampton, Maxey, Anthony, Haliburton, Vassel, P Williams, and Toppin that would surprise me. I can also see players like Terry, Lewis, Nesmith,J Green,  S Bey, and Achiuwa mixing with that group. With so little difference in talent between these prospects fit becomes key.

My Bad fits
Toppin, will never hold up on D
Nesmith, lacks skill set outside of shooting and over rated on D
Haliburton, great player but not a creator off the dribble and feels to redundant with Smart on offense

Nesmith a "bad fit" After getting spanked by 3 point shooting team?  Really? 

Toppin, I agree.  TL can't get on the floor with Brad and much better defender.

I don't know enough about Haliburton, but seems like he can create off dribble fine, just is so thin has trouble getting position.  I'd be happy with him though.

I don't understand some on this board.  If Nesmith is available, why not take the best 3-pt shooter in the draft?  .522 on over 8 shots/game.

You cant say Nesmith is the best 3 pt shooter with a small sample size

He went out early due to an injury

His decision making/turnover is a little bit of a concern. Also defensive engagement

And these are things that could be tidied up.

But is Ainge or Stevens willing to be patient

Yeah, Nesmith is tempting but that sample size borderline. Great number of attempts at 8 per game and a ridiculous %. However, was he just ridiculously hot for 14 games? The year before he shot .337 over 32 games. I'm sure he'll shoot a decent percentage, but his game looks to me to be pretty much only shooting. So worth it if he's shooting mid .400s but not so much if he even shoots a decent .370 from 3.

Compared with Terry who, in addition to shooting +.400 over 30 games, has the potential to be more than just a shooter, or Bane who's sample size of shooting well above .400 extends to 3 full seasons (and even .380 in his freshman year).

I agree small sample size can skew data on Nesmith. I do not doubt that he will be a good shooter in the NBA but will have to be elite to warrant a lottery pick.

When I rank Nesmith I compared him to a similar sized wing Josh Green.

As a freshman Green shot 36% from 3 on 2.8 attempts and 78% from FT on 3.6 attempts

As a Freshman Nesmith shot 33% from 3 on 5.5 attempts and 82% from FT on 2.5 attempts

Obviously Nesmith made the league to elite shooting the next year and I don't expect that from Green. However with a moderate improvement (Cs have had great luck improving young players 3pt shots) Green could be a very solid shooting wing. Outside of shooting Green is a superior play maker, moves much better laterally, and is a potentially elite perimeter defender. 

[gouki88]

Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.

Wiseman will not go top 3.  He may drop out of top 10.  He is JaVale McGee.  His day has passed.

I rate Precious Achiuwa higher, and hope the Celtics strongly consider drafting him.  I like Precious' long term future over Okongwu too, my hot take. He has some much more range on the offensive end than Okongwu.  Perfect swing 4-5 guy.  Only worry his foul shooting percentage.

I see Wiseman as much more of a taller DeAndre Jordan.

Their measurables are as follows:
DJ - 6'11", 265lbs, 7'6" wingspan
Wiseman - 7'1", 245lbs, 7'6" wingspan

Wiseman in his very brief spell in Memphis absolutely dominated. Per 70 possession (rough average of the amount of possessions in a college game) he averaged 32.8PPG, 17.8RPG and 5BPG, with only 2.8 fouls. He draws free throws at an astonishing rate and actually hit them, much like DJ has of late, and he's a beast on the offensive boards. He's not perfect, but if he falls outside the top 5 we would be insane to not try and trade up for him. Could be a Dwight Howard level player at his best

[gouki88]

Why is no one talking up Isaiah Joe from Arkansas? Elite shooter, probably available end of 1st round.  Probably could plug him in right away for bench scoring next season.

Ironically I like one of his teammates a bit more than him, in Mason Jones. Not sure why he isn't talked about more. I think he'll be an absolute steal and be a bucket in the NBA

[gouki88]

Anyone else getting serious ET vibes from Naji Marshall? Athletic wing who thrives scoring inside and playmaking for others, is solid on defence, and can't shoot to himself. No interest in him here, but could see Portland or GS taking him with a 2nd rounder in the 45-60 range.

I think he'll give a team a good playmaking wing off the bench if he reigns in his tendency of throwing up shots