Who's available that we can get at C

[spikelovetheCelts]

Giles, WCS and Noel are three Guys who could help. We have to do something at the C. I am hopeful Tacko can gives us 15 minutes a night in the playoffs. Robert Williams has shown flashes too. We have time to see what comes available.

Tacko - 15 min a night in the playoffs? lolol   
on a serious note - two way contracts are only eligible to play limited number of games during the regular season and are ineligible for the post season.

1. True
2. Dumb rule

Tacko can be converted to a regular contract if we cut someone and play in the playoff. I am serious he could give us a few minutes in the playoff. I don't care what anyone on this blog thinks.

[nickagneta]

Giles, WCS and Noel are three Guys who could help. We have to do something at the C. I am hopeful Tacko can gives us 15 minutes a night in the playoffs. Robert Williams has shown flashes too. We have time to see what comes available.

Tacko - 15 min a night in the playoffs? lolol   
on a serious note - two way contracts are only eligible to play limited number of games during the regular season and are ineligible for the post season.

1. True
2. Dumb rule

Tacko can be converted to a regular contract if we cut someone and play in the playoff. I am serious he could give us a few minutes in the playoff. I don't care what anyone on this blog thinks.

Thing is, Ainge and Stevens most likely agree withwhat "anyone on this blog thinks". Neither see Tacko as being able to be given regular season rotational minutes, nevermind minutes in the playoffs.

The chance of Tacko playing in a playoff game this year is only ever so slightly higher than the odds of me playing in a playoff game this season.

[greg683x]

Willy Cauley-Stein Signed with the golden state Warriors thinking he would be on a playoff team. He only makes 2 million a year



Of course he’s not very good but he’s another player to consider

He's not a star, but he defends well, is still youngish, and comes cheap. He protects the rim well, has good size. I'd rather give him consideration than Thompson and his bloated salary and horrible free throw shooting.

Unfortunately WCS has the BBIQ of a cabbage. All the good things you see in him are undone by this. WCS wound get owned by the MVP level big men that some are saying we need a big man to defend.

But WCS is better than Poirier.

Having Theis, Kanter, RWill, and WCS for the playoffs is better than having Theis, Kanter, RWill, and Poirier.

Who cares when neither will most likely ever be on the floor during important parts of games? All you are doing is making a trade to make a trade.

And as I have said before, I don't think Ainge believes he needs an upgrade at C to get to the Finals. If this team is healthy and hitting on all cylinders, it will be other teams needing to adjust to the Celtics and not the Celtics needing to adjust to other teams. I truly think this is the way management and the coaching staff see things.

It's almost January, so we'll know for sure in a month or so.

I know you don't think Ainge will make a move, but there's just no way Ainge will not make a move this season.
The flaw is very obvious.

From what I saw against Brooklyn and Philly, both teams didn't adjust to the Celts.

Jarrett Allen and DeAndre Jordan burned the Celtics for 22 points and 22 rebounds.

The Sixers already beat the Celtics twice and Horford didn't even play in that 2nd game against the Celts.

The trade deadline will decide this issue once and for all.

Keep telling yourself that.  We’re very limited on what we can trade for without giving up an asset that’s not worth the return.

If WCS will make you sleep better at night I don’t know what to tell you, Embiid had 20+ points and 17 rebounds each time they played each other last year

[spikelovetheCelts]

Giles, WCS and Noel are three Guys who could help. We have to do something at the C. I am hopeful Tacko can gives us 15 minutes a night in the playoffs. Robert Williams has shown flashes too. We have time to see what comes available.

Tacko - 15 min a night in the playoffs? lolol   
on a serious note - two way contracts are only eligible to play limited number of games during the regular season and are ineligible for the post season.

1. True
2. Dumb rule

Tacko can be converted to a regular contract if we cut someone and play in the playoff. I am serious he could give us a few minutes in the playoff. I don't care what anyone on this blog thinks.

Thing is, Ainge and Stevens most likely agree withwhat "anyone on this blog thinks". Neither see Tacko as being able to be given regular season rotational minutes, nevermind minutes in the playoffs.

The chance of Tacko playing in a playoff game this year is only ever so slightly higher than the odds of me playing in a playoff game this season.

I truly think he has a shot. He works hard. Coach believes he will be able to cover the pick and roll. He can change the game when he is in there. I may be dreaming but I like my dream. But you could be right if The landlord makes the jump.

[BitterJim]

Missing piece is a Center and a backup scoring option on the bench...Love Enes but not a rim protecter..Theis is more of a PF...Robert Williams is nothing more than a 3rd stringer and thats why he drop so far in draft..ppl think he is going to be a starter? I got some magic water to sell you than..Love this team but thats 2 holes thats needs to be filled

Theis is a C. This isn't your grandpa's NBA anymore.

Theis is forced to play C because the Celts have no choice.

He's only 6-8.

Would Theis be the starter if Horford is still a Celtic?

Brad Stevens started the season with Kanter as the starter.
But Kanter was horrible on defense, that's why Theis became the starter.

Horford would start at C if he were still on the team because he's better than Theis, not because Theis isn't a center...

A 6-8 player is not ideal to play Center in the NBA.

A 6' PG isn't ideal, either, but that doesn't mean that Kemba isn't a great player.

I don't think anyone would describe Theis as our "ideal" starting center, but he's certainly the best fit on the current roster, and a good player overall

Don't move the goal post.

There are lots of good PGs out there that are below 6-feet.

But out of the 30 NBA teams this season, only 1 team is using a 6-8 Center.

Theis is not the best fit, the Celts just don't have a better option right now.

If Tristan Thompson or Derrick Favors gets bought out and joins the Celtics, any of those two would automatically replace Theis as the starting Center.

Even in international competition Theis is not being used as a Center because he's too short.

Dude, literally very post you've moved the goalposts. I'm just responding to your posts.

Only 1 other team in the entire NBA starts a PG as short (or shorter than) Kemba, and that's the 9-20 Wizards. Should we look to switch things up there, or recognize that their effectiveness on the court is more important to their listed height? I'll take a 6'8" effective defender like Theis over a 7' stiff like Poirier any day.

Nobody is saying that, out of all NBA players, Theis is the best fit ever. But of the players on this team or that we could reasonably trade for, he is absolutely the best fit for the starting lineup. The buyout market may yield a better option for the starting lineup, but we'll have to see

Either of those two old probably start over Theis because they're better fits/better players, not because Theis isn't a Center.

The starting bigs for the German National Team are Theis and Maxi Kleber, who is ALSO listed as a PF on their national team roster and plays as a stretch 4/5 for the Mavericks. I think most would consider Theis the Center in that lineup, and it seems like people that watched the team agree:

https://m.dw.com/en/germanys-basketball-team-licking-wounds-after-early-world-cup-exit/a-50361398

Two other NBA pros, Dallas Maverick Maxi Kleber and Boston Celtic Daniel Theis, were at Rödl's disposal. Kleber impressed most on defense, while Theis generally played as center despite being small by the modern game's standards at 2.03 meters (6 feet 8 inches).

What I'm saying is don't move the goal post by comparing the Center position to the PG position.

Theis generally played as center despite being small by the modern game's standards[/b] at 2.03 meters (6 feet 8 inches).


That statement alone tells you that Theis is not the ideal Center.

The Celts gave the MLE to Kanter, hoping he would be the answer at Center.
But he's horrible on defense, that's why Theis replaced him as the starting C.

Poirier was signed using money that the cap space had left.
Unfortunately, like what you said, he's a stiff.

The Celtics tried to find a starting Center, but all the Centers they signed were just not good enough.

So Theis is not the ideal Center, he just got the job because no else is better than him among the current Celtic bigs.

A player that's only 6-8 is NOT an ideal Center in the NBA.

That's the reason why the Celts need to upgrade that position.

That's not moving the goalposts, it's putting your argument into a similar (but more extreme) situation to show its flaws.  Obviously no one here would suggest that we get rid of Kemba just to bring in someone who is taller but less effective, yet when it comes to Center that gets argued all the time (I have even seen people (not you) arguing that we should be playing Poirier minutes over Theis, which is unbelievably absurd)

I think you may be misunderstanding my stances a bit, so I apologize if they weren't clear:

I think Theis is a Center, not a PF, due to how he plays.  He would lose effectiveness if you put him next to another Center.

I agree that Theis is not the ideal starting Center for this team.  Long term, we need an upgrade. But of the players that are on the roster or reasonably available in a trade this season, he's the best option.  Buyouts may change this, but I maintain that our best option for upgrading at the center position will be this summer, when 3- or 4-for-1 trades are actually plausible and we have draft picks to use as additional value (plus salary ballast if we time things right)

I have no idea what the buyout market will look like this year (we should have a very good idea at/after the trade deadline, though), but hopefully someone gets bought out that can provide us meaningful playoff minutes.  If a player like that becomes available, we shouldn't hesitate to cut bait with Poirier.  Ditto if a bench shooter becomes available (also possible through a small trade)

[Emmette Bryant]

Dewayne Dedmon appears to be available.

https://sports.yahoo.com/center-dewayne-dedmon-reportedly-wants-191648441.html?src=rss

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Kanter spoke to this thread after the game, "hi haters!"

[gouki88]

The OP should probably read “Who’s available that we can get at C that is an upgrade?”

I can’t think of any names, unless Favors gets bought out.

[RockinRyA]

Willy Cauley-Stein Signed with the golden state Warriors thinking he would be on a playoff team. He only makes 2 million a year



Of course he’s not very good but he’s another player to consider

He's not a star, but he defends well, is still youngish, and comes cheap. He protects the rim well, has good size. I'd rather give him consideration than Thompson and his bloated salary and horrible free throw shooting.

Unfortunately WCS has the BBIQ of a cabbage. All the good things you see in him are undone by this. WCS wound get owned by the MVP level big men that some are saying we need a big man to defend.

But WCS is better than Poirier.

Having Theis, Kanter, RWill, and WCS for the playoffs is better than having Theis, Kanter, RWill, and Poirier.

Who cares when neither will most likely ever be on the floor during important parts of games? All you are doing is making a trade to make a trade.

And as I have said before, I don't think Ainge believes he needs an upgrade at C to get to the Finals. If this team is healthy and hitting on all cylinders, it will be other teams needing to adjust to the Celtics and not the Celtics needing to adjust to other teams. I truly think this is the way management and the coaching staff see things.

It's almost January, so we'll know for sure in a month or so.

I know you don't think Ainge will make a move, but there's just no way Ainge will not make a move this season.
The flaw is very obvious.

From what I saw against Brooklyn and Philly, both teams didn't adjust to the Celts.

Jarrett Allen and DeAndre Jordan burned the Celtics for 22 points and 22 rebounds.

The Sixers already beat the Celtics twice and Horford didn't even play in that 2nd game against the Celts.

The trade deadline will decide this issue once and for all.

**** you guys keep on mentioning Philly being a problem yet keep on mentioning bigs (drummond, wcs) that Embiid destroys on a daily basis.

No, if we have to upgrade, it should be the bench scoring. We dont have someone who can get hot and bail us out if 2 of our starters play bad against good teams, guys like Barbosa or House. Romeo or Edwards coyld be butthat is far off in the future.

You guys keep on mentioning the Sixers but failed to mention that the Sixers beat us by their shooting and scoring from their supporting cast when Brown and Tatum had bad games.

Theis is not a PF, he has always played Center. Stop being delusional.

[LilRip]

Willy Cauley-Stein Signed with the golden state Warriors thinking he would be on a playoff team. He only makes 2 million a year



Of course he’s not very good but he’s another player to consider

He's not a star, but he defends well, is still youngish, and comes cheap. He protects the rim well, has good size. I'd rather give him consideration than Thompson and his bloated salary and horrible free throw shooting.

Unfortunately WCS has the BBIQ of a cabbage. All the good things you see in him are undone by this. WCS wound get owned by the MVP level big men that some are saying we need a big man to defend.

But WCS is better than Poirier.

Having Theis, Kanter, RWill, and WCS for the playoffs is better than having Theis, Kanter, RWill, and Poirier.

Who cares when neither will most likely ever be on the floor during important parts of games? All you are doing is making a trade to make a trade.

And as I have said before, I don't think Ainge believes he needs an upgrade at C to get to the Finals. If this team is healthy and hitting on all cylinders, it will be other teams needing to adjust to the Celtics and not the Celtics needing to adjust to other teams. I truly think this is the way management and the coaching staff see things.

It's almost January, so we'll know for sure in a month or so.

I know you don't think Ainge will make a move, but there's just no way Ainge will not make a move this season.
The flaw is very obvious.

From what I saw against Brooklyn and Philly, both teams didn't adjust to the Celts.

Jarrett Allen and DeAndre Jordan burned the Celtics for 22 points and 22 rebounds.

The Sixers already beat the Celtics twice and Horford didn't even play in that 2nd game against the Celts.

The trade deadline will decide this issue once and for all.

**** you guys keep on mentioning Philly being a problem yet keep on mentioning bigs (drummond, wcs) that Embiid destroys on a daily basis.

No, if we have to upgrade, it should be the bench scoring. We dont have someone who can get hot and bail us out if 2 of our starters play bad against good teams, guys like Barbosa or House. Romeo or Edwards coyld be butthat is far off in the future.

You guys keep on mentioning the Sixers but failed to mention that the Sixers beat us by their shooting and scoring from their supporting cast when Brown and Tatum had bad games.

Theis is not a PF, he has always played Center. Stop being delusional.

Realistically, who can stop Embiid or Giannis? Those guys are considered MVP caliber for a reason.

Now why would you need a guy like Drummond? It’s so that the “others” like a Jarrett Allen or Serge Ibaka or Montrez Harrell or whoever don’t start routinely looking like all stars against you.

[Fierce1]

Willy Cauley-Stein Signed with the golden state Warriors thinking he would be on a playoff team. He only makes 2 million a year



Of course he’s not very good but he’s another player to consider

He's not a star, but he defends well, is still youngish, and comes cheap. He protects the rim well, has good size. I'd rather give him consideration than Thompson and his bloated salary and horrible free throw shooting.

Unfortunately WCS has the BBIQ of a cabbage. All the good things you see in him are undone by this. WCS wound get owned by the MVP level big men that some are saying we need a big man to defend.

But WCS is better than Poirier.

Having Theis, Kanter, RWill, and WCS for the playoffs is better than having Theis, Kanter, RWill, and Poirier.

Who cares when neither will most likely ever be on the floor during important parts of games? All you are doing is making a trade to make a trade.

And as I have said before, I don't think Ainge believes he needs an upgrade at C to get to the Finals. If this team is healthy and hitting on all cylinders, it will be other teams needing to adjust to the Celtics and not the Celtics needing to adjust to other teams. I truly think this is the way management and the coaching staff see things.

It's almost January, so we'll know for sure in a month or so.

I know you don't think Ainge will make a move, but there's just no way Ainge will not make a move this season.
The flaw is very obvious.

From what I saw against Brooklyn and Philly, both teams didn't adjust to the Celts.

Jarrett Allen and DeAndre Jordan burned the Celtics for 22 points and 22 rebounds.

The Sixers already beat the Celtics twice and Horford didn't even play in that 2nd game against the Celts.

The trade deadline will decide this issue once and for all.

**** you guys keep on mentioning Philly being a problem yet keep on mentioning bigs (drummond, wcs) that Embiid destroys on a daily basis.

No, if we have to upgrade, it should be the bench scoring. We dont have someone who can get hot and bail us out if 2 of our starters play bad against good teams, guys like Barbosa or House. Romeo or Edwards coyld be butthat is far off in the future.

You guys keep on mentioning the Sixers but failed to mention that the Sixers beat us by their shooting and scoring from their supporting cast when Brown and Tatum had bad games.

Theis is not a PF, he has always played Center. Stop being delusional.

Realistically, who can stop Embiid or Giannis? Those guys are considered MVP caliber for a reason.

Now why would you need a guy like Drummond? It’s so that the “others” like a Jarrett Allen or Serge Ibaka or Montrez Harrell or whoever don’t start routinely looking like all stars against you.

That's true.

Having a guy like Drummond will force opposing bigs to work hard on defense inside the paint.
That will cause opposing bigs to get into foul trouble.

Theis is just too small at 6-8 to be a full-time Center.

Kanter is bad on defense, that's why he's not given more minutes.

The question is are the Celts willing to pay the price for Drummond.

[nickagneta]

The question is are the Celts willing to pay the price for Drummond.

I think the question is a bit different:

Are the Celtics stupid enough to pay the price for Drummond?

The answer: No.

[Fierce1]

Willy Cauley-Stein Signed with the golden state Warriors thinking he would be on a playoff team. He only makes 2 million a year



Of course he’s not very good but he’s another player to consider

He's not a star, but he defends well, is still youngish, and comes cheap. He protects the rim well, has good size. I'd rather give him consideration than Thompson and his bloated salary and horrible free throw shooting.

Unfortunately WCS has the BBIQ of a cabbage. All the good things you see in him are undone by this. WCS wound get owned by the MVP level big men that some are saying we need a big man to defend.

But WCS is better than Poirier.

Having Theis, Kanter, RWill, and WCS for the playoffs is better than having Theis, Kanter, RWill, and Poirier.

Who cares when neither will most likely ever be on the floor during important parts of games? All you are doing is making a trade to make a trade.

And as I have said before, I don't think Ainge believes he needs an upgrade at C to get to the Finals. If this team is healthy and hitting on all cylinders, it will be other teams needing to adjust to the Celtics and not the Celtics needing to adjust to other teams. I truly think this is the way management and the coaching staff see things.

It's almost January, so we'll know for sure in a month or so.

I know you don't think Ainge will make a move, but there's just no way Ainge will not make a move this season.
The flaw is very obvious.

From what I saw against Brooklyn and Philly, both teams didn't adjust to the Celts.

Jarrett Allen and DeAndre Jordan burned the Celtics for 22 points and 22 rebounds.

The Sixers already beat the Celtics twice and Horford didn't even play in that 2nd game against the Celts.

The trade deadline will decide this issue once and for all.

**** you guys keep on mentioning Philly being a problem yet keep on mentioning bigs (drummond, wcs) that Embiid destroys on a daily basis.

No, if we have to upgrade, it should be the bench scoring. We dont have someone who can get hot and bail us out if 2 of our starters play bad against good teams, guys like Barbosa or House. Romeo or Edwards coyld be butthat is far off in the future.

You guys keep on mentioning the Sixers but failed to mention that the Sixers beat us by their shooting and scoring from their supporting cast when Brown and Tatum had bad games.

Theis is not a PF, he has always played Center. Stop being delusional.

What's delusional is believing that Theis is a starting caliber Center.

Only reason why Theis is starting for the Celts is because the Celts have no one better at that position.

Just go back to the 2018 playoffs where the Celts dominated the Sixers in the playoffs.

Al Horford was defending Embiid 1 on 1.

This season the Celts are double teaming a lot inside, that's why the Sixers got open 3-pointers.

Out of 30 NBA teams, only 1 team is using a 6-8 PF as a Center.

So all the other 29 NBA teams are delusional because they don't use 6-8 Centers?

The point is, accusing us, who want the Celts to upgrade the C position, of being delusional is ridiculous because the flaw of the Celts is very obvious.

Like I said, once Ainge makes his move, on or before the trade deadline, it will not be the ones who want the Celts to upgrade the C position who will end up being delusional.

[PhoSita]

Now why would you need a guy like Drummond? It’s so that the “others” like a Jarrett Allen or Serge Ibaka or Montrez Harrell or whoever don’t start routinely looking like all stars against you.

That's a fine thing to want, but it's not worth giving up any of the core of the team in order to get it.

The Celtics can win games despite role player big men putting up double doubles.

[Fierce1]

The question is are the Celts willing to pay the price for Drummond.

I think the question is a bit different:

Are the Celtics stupid enough to pay the price for Drummond?

The answer: No.

That's your personal assessment.

Celts were stupid enough to trade Perk for Jeff Green back in 2011.

Right now anything's possible.

Unless you're going to tell me you have a source inside the Celtic front office.

While I don't think the Celts will trade any of the core 5, I think the Celts will make a minor move to upgrade.