2019 Historical Draft Thread(TIME TO REVEAL THE WINNER!!!)

[Donoghus]

I'm fascinated by that Chicago core.  The idea of a Robertson/Baylor backcourt is pretty awesome & I think it works.     Both were great all around players so I think they'd have no problem sharing the ball and working off each other.

Then you have a frontcourt right now of McHale & Duncan who I think would play off each other extremely well.  The passing between the two down low would lead to a lot of points.

That team would be fun as hell to watch.

Baylor was a SF his entire career and his game was much more interior centric.  I think he'd make a better PF than SG in today's game, though SF is his rightful position.  So I don't see that as a backcourt at all even if Baylor's size and athleticism would in theory allow him to play SG.

I think it depends on what direction he goes with filling out his starting roster but, at 6'5" & given the way the rosters are being constructed here, I can certainly see him being a SG and being more than apt.  Again, if Chicago decides to draft a SG and keep Baylor as a SF, I don't think that would be an issue either.    With McHale & Duncan down low, Baylor can naturally play around the perimeter.   You don't need him as a PF and his size and with those two at the 4 & 5.

[Somebody]

I'm fascinated by that Chicago core.  The idea of a Robertson/Baylor backcourt is pretty awesome & I think it works.     Both were great all around players so I think they'd have no problem sharing the ball and working off each other.

Then you have a frontcourt right now of McHale & Duncan who I think would play off each other extremely well.  The passing between the two down low would lead to a lot of points.

That team would be fun as hell to watch.

Baylor was a SF his entire career and his game was much more interior centric.  I think he'd make a better PF than SG in today's game, though SF is his rightful position.  So I don't see that as a backcourt at all even if Baylor's size and athleticism would in theory allow him to play SG.

I think it depends on what direction he goes with filling out his starting roster but, at 6'5" & given the way the rosters are being constructed here, I can certainly see him being a SG and being more than apt.  Again, if Chicago decides to draft a SG and keep Baylor as a SF, I don't think that would be an issue either.    With McHale & Duncan down low, Baylor can naturally play around the perimeter.   You don't need him as a PF and his size and with those two at the 4 & 5.

Baylor is 6'7 with shoes. Player heights back then were measured without shoes.

[Donoghus]

I'm fascinated by that Chicago core.  The idea of a Robertson/Baylor backcourt is pretty awesome & I think it works.     Both were great all around players so I think they'd have no problem sharing the ball and working off each other.

Then you have a frontcourt right now of McHale & Duncan who I think would play off each other extremely well.  The passing between the two down low would lead to a lot of points.

That team would be fun as hell to watch.

Baylor was a SF his entire career and his game was much more interior centric.  I think he'd make a better PF than SG in today's game, though SF is his rightful position.  So I don't see that as a backcourt at all even if Baylor's size and athleticism would in theory allow him to play SG.

I think it depends on what direction he goes with filling out his starting roster but, at 6'5" & given the way the rosters are being constructed here, I can certainly see him being a SG and being more than apt.  Again, if Chicago decides to draft a SG and keep Baylor as a SF, I don't think that would be an issue either.    With McHale & Duncan down low, Baylor can naturally play around the perimeter.   You don't need him as a PF and his size and with those two at the 4 & 5.

Baylor is 6'7 with shoes. Player heights back then were measured without shoes.

Okay.  Given the frontcourts in this draft so far, I'd still see him more as a 2/3 swing than sliding down to the 4.  6'5" or 6'7", I'm not sure there is going to be a discernible difference. 

[Somebody]

I'm fascinated by that Chicago core.  The idea of a Robertson/Baylor backcourt is pretty awesome & I think it works.     Both were great all around players so I think they'd have no problem sharing the ball and working off each other.

Then you have a frontcourt right now of McHale & Duncan who I think would play off each other extremely well.  The passing between the two down low would lead to a lot of points.

That team would be fun as hell to watch.

Baylor was a SF his entire career and his game was much more interior centric.  I think he'd make a better PF than SG in today's game, though SF is his rightful position.  So I don't see that as a backcourt at all even if Baylor's size and athleticism would in theory allow him to play SG.

I think it depends on what direction he goes with filling out his starting roster but, at 6'5" & given the way the rosters are being constructed here, I can certainly see him being a SG and being more than apt.  Again, if Chicago decides to draft a SG and keep Baylor as a SF, I don't think that would be an issue either.    With McHale & Duncan down low, Baylor can naturally play around the perimeter.   You don't need him as a PF and his size and with those two at the 4 & 5.

Baylor is 6'7 with shoes. Player heights back then were measured without shoes.

Okay.  Given the frontcourts in this draft so far, I'd still see him more as a 2/3 swing than sliding down to the 4.  6'5" or 6'7", I'm not sure there is going to be a discernible difference.

I mean 6'5 is honestly SG height, 6'7 is much better for guarding elite wings. I think he's a pure 3 in this exercise, I don't see his game being great for a 2.

[Moranis]

I'm fascinated by that Chicago core.  The idea of a Robertson/Baylor backcourt is pretty awesome & I think it works.     Both were great all around players so I think they'd have no problem sharing the ball and working off each other.

Then you have a frontcourt right now of McHale & Duncan who I think would play off each other extremely well.  The passing between the two down low would lead to a lot of points.

That team would be fun as hell to watch.

Baylor was a SF his entire career and his game was much more interior centric.  I think he'd make a better PF than SG in today's game, though SF is his rightful position.  So I don't see that as a backcourt at all even if Baylor's size and athleticism would in theory allow him to play SG.

I think it depends on what direction he goes with filling out his starting roster but, at 6'5" & given the way the rosters are being constructed here, I can certainly see him being a SG and being more than apt.  Again, if Chicago decides to draft a SG and keep Baylor as a SF, I don't think that would be an issue either.    With McHale & Duncan down low, Baylor can naturally play around the perimeter.   You don't need him as a PF and his size and with those two at the 4 & 5.

Baylor is 6'7 with shoes. Player heights back then were measured without shoes.

Okay.  Given the frontcourts in this draft so far, I'd still see him more as a 2/3 swing than sliding down to the 4.  6'5" or 6'7", I'm not sure there is going to be a discernible difference.

My thinking was much more about his style of play.  He thrived down low.  Superb rebounder, excellent finisher around the basket, etc.  He didn't have a ton of range.  He was a good foul shooter, so I'm sure he could have developed a respectable enough outside shot, but nothing in his style of play would lead me to the conclusion he should be playing in the backcourt in this.  I think he is pretty clearly a SF and it would be a mistake to try to play him out of position at SG.  Oscar on the other hand, could easily play either backcourt position, so Chicago can go with either backcourt slot with the last starting spot on the team. 

[Somebody]

I'm fascinated by that Chicago core.  The idea of a Robertson/Baylor backcourt is pretty awesome & I think it works.     Both were great all around players so I think they'd have no problem sharing the ball and working off each other.

Then you have a frontcourt right now of McHale & Duncan who I think would play off each other extremely well.  The passing between the two down low would lead to a lot of points.

That team would be fun as hell to watch.

Baylor was a SF his entire career and his game was much more interior centric.  I think he'd make a better PF than SG in today's game, though SF is his rightful position.  So I don't see that as a backcourt at all even if Baylor's size and athleticism would in theory allow him to play SG.

I think it depends on what direction he goes with filling out his starting roster but, at 6'5" & given the way the rosters are being constructed here, I can certainly see him being a SG and being more than apt.  Again, if Chicago decides to draft a SG and keep Baylor as a SF, I don't think that would be an issue either.    With McHale & Duncan down low, Baylor can naturally play around the perimeter.   You don't need him as a PF and his size and with those two at the 4 & 5.

Baylor is 6'7 with shoes. Player heights back then were measured without shoes.

Okay.  Given the frontcourts in this draft so far, I'd still see him more as a 2/3 swing than sliding down to the 4.  6'5" or 6'7", I'm not sure there is going to be a discernible difference.

My thinking was much more about his style of play.  He thrived down low.  Superb rebounder, excellent finisher around the basket, etc.  He didn't have a ton of range.  He was a good foul shooter, so I'm sure he could have developed a respectable enough outside shot, but nothing in his style of play would lead me to the conclusion he should be playing in the backcourt in this.  I think he is pretty clearly a SF and it would be a mistake to try to play him out of position at SG.  Oscar on the other hand, could easily play either backcourt position, so Chicago can go with either backcourt slot with the last starting spot on the team.

Agreed. Think they need to select a certain player archetype to make the fit work though.

[Donoghus]

I'm fascinated by that Chicago core.  The idea of a Robertson/Baylor backcourt is pretty awesome & I think it works.     Both were great all around players so I think they'd have no problem sharing the ball and working off each other.

Then you have a frontcourt right now of McHale & Duncan who I think would play off each other extremely well.  The passing between the two down low would lead to a lot of points.

That team would be fun as hell to watch.

Baylor was a SF his entire career and his game was much more interior centric.  I think he'd make a better PF than SG in today's game, though SF is his rightful position.  So I don't see that as a backcourt at all even if Baylor's size and athleticism would in theory allow him to play SG.

I think it depends on what direction he goes with filling out his starting roster but, at 6'5" & given the way the rosters are being constructed here, I can certainly see him being a SG and being more than apt.  Again, if Chicago decides to draft a SG and keep Baylor as a SF, I don't think that would be an issue either.    With McHale & Duncan down low, Baylor can naturally play around the perimeter.   You don't need him as a PF and his size and with those two at the 4 & 5.

Baylor is 6'7 with shoes. Player heights back then were measured without shoes.

Okay.  Given the frontcourts in this draft so far, I'd still see him more as a 2/3 swing than sliding down to the 4.  6'5" or 6'7", I'm not sure there is going to be a discernible difference.

My thinking was much more about his style of play.  He thrived down low.  Superb rebounder, excellent finisher around the basket, etc.  He didn't have a ton of range.  He was a good foul shooter, so I'm sure he could have developed a respectable enough outside shot, but nothing in his style of play would lead me to the conclusion he should be playing in the backcourt in this.  I think he is pretty clearly a SF and it would be a mistake to try to play him out of position at SG.  Oscar on the other hand, could easily play either backcourt position, so Chicago can go with either backcourt slot with the last starting spot on the team.

I guess it just depends on what direction they go to fill their final starter spot but I don't see it being a huge issue either way unless they badly misfire on their next pick.    Right now, I think their core is one of the top units, if not the top, in this exercise so far.   I see other rosters on here that could be nitpicked much more.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'm fascinated by that Chicago core.  The idea of a Robertson/Baylor backcourt is pretty awesome & I think it works.     Both were great all around players so I think they'd have no problem sharing the ball and working off each other.

Then you have a frontcourt right now of McHale & Duncan who I think would play off each other extremely well.  The passing between the two down low would lead to a lot of points.

That team would be fun as hell to watch.

Baylor was a SF his entire career and his game was much more interior centric.  I think he'd make a better PF than SG in today's game, though SF is his rightful position.  So I don't see that as a backcourt at all even if Baylor's size and athleticism would in theory allow him to play SG.

I think it depends on what direction he goes with filling out his starting roster but, at 6'5" & given the way the rosters are being constructed here, I can certainly see him being a SG and being more than apt.  Again, if Chicago decides to draft a SG and keep Baylor as a SF, I don't think that would be an issue either.    With McHale & Duncan down low, Baylor can naturally play around the perimeter.   You don't need him as a PF and his size and with those two at the 4 & 5.

Baylor is 6'7 with shoes. Player heights back then were measured without shoes.

So, does this mean Hondo is 6'6" - 6'7" with shoes as well?

[action781]

I JUST REMEMBERED WE'RE SWITCHING TO TWO ROUNDS TODAY!

Just a heads up in case anyone else forgot.  And every day going forward.

[Somebody]

I'm fascinated by that Chicago core.  The idea of a Robertson/Baylor backcourt is pretty awesome & I think it works.     Both were great all around players so I think they'd have no problem sharing the ball and working off each other.

Then you have a frontcourt right now of McHale & Duncan who I think would play off each other extremely well.  The passing between the two down low would lead to a lot of points.

That team would be fun as hell to watch.

Baylor was a SF his entire career and his game was much more interior centric.  I think he'd make a better PF than SG in today's game, though SF is his rightful position.  So I don't see that as a backcourt at all even if Baylor's size and athleticism would in theory allow him to play SG.

I think it depends on what direction he goes with filling out his starting roster but, at 6'5" & given the way the rosters are being constructed here, I can certainly see him being a SG and being more than apt.  Again, if Chicago decides to draft a SG and keep Baylor as a SF, I don't think that would be an issue either.    With McHale & Duncan down low, Baylor can naturally play around the perimeter.   You don't need him as a PF and his size and with those two at the 4 & 5.

Baylor is 6'7 with shoes. Player heights back then were measured without shoes.

So, does this mean Hondo is 6'6" - 6'7" with shoes as well?

Yeah.

[Somebody]

I JUST REMEMBERED WE'RE SWITCHING TO TWO ROUNDS TODAY!

Just a heads up in case anyone else forgot.  And every day going forward.

Shoot I forgot! Gonna make a draft board real quick unless the start time is pushed forward.

[action781]

I JUST REMEMBERED WE'RE SWITCHING TO TWO ROUNDS TODAY!

Just a heads up in case anyone else forgot.  And every day going forward.

Shoot I forgot! Gonna make a draft board real quick unless the start time is pushed forward.

See my PM with trade offer

[Donoghus]

Gotta be a run on SG today. Lots of great ones out there. One in particular that is gonna put someone’s team over the top in a 6th man role.

Yeah, I think I know who you're talking about.  I only like him in this format as a Sixth Man, but he really would move the needle for the right team.

I don't know if its the same guy I'm thinking but one, in particular, would be an ideal fit for a couple of rosters out there right now.  I have two teams in mind.

[Moranis]

There are several top tier players left at every position, but soon we are going to start seeing a lot more drop off in talent as the last remaining legit HOFers start falling by the way side.

[nickagneta]

Couple things:

@action...I am not sure which trades you want to talk about. Completed trades, talk all day. Proposed trades between other teams because you think players already drafted would look on other teams, I think that isn't a great idea to do publicly, but via PM, not in public, sure.

@everyone regarding the Dr J and AD trade. Roy put out my reasoning behind this. Basically, I think the Davis and Erving swap is even because both players fit better on their new teams.

I don't and have never judged the value of a player by where they are drafted in the game. So just because Dr J was drafted ahead of Davis doesn't necessarily mean that the team trading Dr J has more value in the trade and should automatically, in a subsequent pick swap, get the higher pick in return.

Also, I don't see a lot of value difference in 6th and 8th rounders in this draft. So, as Roy said, ultimately I would have preferred the team trading Dr J to get a 6th and the team trading Davis an 8th, but I didn't see enough of an imbalance in the trade to deny approving the trade.

Also, questioning a trade is one thing, stating it is outright terrible, bad, awful, whatever, take your pick of adjective, is another and should not happen. The same goes with picks. Want to state it's too early, great, being overly negative, not good.

Lastly, it's 2 rounds today. Picks are due in 7 and 8 minute intervals. If you are leaving me a draftboard to pick from, best have enough players on that list to make it to your pick. Yesterday someone left me a draftboard with 3 players on it and a lot more picks than three to get to their pick. The player got lucky. Just give me proper draftboards, please. I would hate for people to miss their turn.