2019 Historical Draft Thread(TIME TO REVEAL THE WINNER!!!)

[action781]

Silky, I think Payton was the ideal pick for your team right now.  A guy who can slow down MJ a little bit and also likely defend CP3, Isiah, and Curry.

I think you might rate your team a little too high though in a couple regards, and it mostly pertains to Yao.
1) Yao is not exactly a gobbler of all rebounds.  I mean even in just the single season you're selecting him for, he was the #15 ranked rebounder per game and #21 in per 100 possessions.  Imagine him compared to the actual all-time great rebounders?
2) Yao's passing is good, but I don't think is as great as you remember.  He averaged 1.5 assists per game that season and maxed out at 2.3 apg in his career.  I don't recall him as being an outlet pass master like some NBA greats are known for.
3) I think you'll be a good transition team, but probably not the best one.  Too many all-time great transition players on other teams to be compared to.

[Moranis]

People realize basketball was played before 1998, right? 

Yeah, IMO, there has been a bunch of reaches based primarily around people going with more modern players. There has been a few selections that were, IMO, maybe 4 or more rounds too early

The thing is, you only need one season.  While I think George was too early, he just finished a season in the top 3 in both MVP and DPOY voting.  There are very few players in league history that achieved both of those things in the same season, let alone still available in round 4. 

This 1 season thing is adding to a lot of this.  Maybe we should have done it best 3-4 season arc, or something like that.  It would make players like George, Giannis, etc. much less valuable overall.  Then again, maybe we don't want players like Giannis and George to be less valuable.

Yeah, but there are still MVPs, DPOYs, and Finals MVPs (not all same season of course) that are still available.  All-time great players.  If his career ended today, I don't think Paul George will be talked about 30 years from now.

There are only a couple of MVP's left and they generally aren't good fits in this or play at a deep position.  Plenty of DPOY's, but that is an award that often goes to very defensive oriented players that often lack the all around game i.e. they are role players and not worth top 4 round picks.  A few Finals MVP's left, but again the ones left by and large were more of a role player that had a great playoff series and not generally all time greats.  A couple of all timers left, but they are also at deeper positions which makes selecting them now a bit more problematic.  Paul George probably had a better year last year then the vast majority of those award winners even though he didn't win the MVP or DPOY.  The mere fact that he finished in the top 3 in both is incredibly valuable. 

[nickagneta]

Silky, I think Payton was the ideal pick for your team right now.  A guy who can slow down MJ a little bit and also likely defend CP3, Isiah, and Curry.

I think you might rate your team a little too high though in a couple regards, and it mostly pertains to Yao.
1) Yao is not exactly a gobbler of all rebounds.  I mean even in just the single season you're selecting him for, he was the #15 ranked rebounder per game and #21 in per 100 possessions.  Imagine him compared to the actual all-time great rebounders?
2) Yao's passing is good, but I don't think is as great as you remember.  He averaged 1.5 assists per game that season and maxed out at 2.3 apg in his career.  I don't recall him as being an outlet pass master like some NBA greats are known for.
3) I think you'll be a good transition team, but probably not the best one.  Too many all-time great transition players on other teams to be compared to.

Also, is Hakeem going to play PF or did Silky draft his backup center in round 4? I don't think playing Hakeem anywhere but at center is the best idea.

[action781]

Silky, I think Payton was the ideal pick for your team right now.  A guy who can slow down MJ a little bit and also likely defend CP3, Isiah, and Curry.

I think you might rate your team a little too high though in a couple regards, and it mostly pertains to Yao.
1) Yao is not exactly a gobbler of all rebounds.  I mean even in just the single season you're selecting him for, he was the #15 ranked rebounder per game and #21 in per 100 possessions.  Imagine him compared to the actual all-time great rebounders?
2) Yao's passing is good, but I don't think is as great as you remember.  He averaged 1.5 assists per game that season and maxed out at 2.3 apg in his career.  I don't recall him as being an outlet pass master like some NBA greats are known for.
3) I think you'll be a good transition team, but probably not the best one.  Too many all-time great transition players on other teams to be compared to.

Also, is Hakeem going to play PF or did Silky draft his backup center in round 4? I don't think playing Hakeem anywhere but at center is the best idea.

I'll say that I think Hakeem could very well play the PF position amazingly.  But I see how you could think he's such a valuable center that he'd be best suited there.  I would prefer him at center, but think he could dominate at PF too.

[Silky]

With the 10th pick in the 4th Round of the 2019 Historical Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:



Vince Carter

alot earlier than I though.

Vince was my binkie, so now I might have to trade for him....

[Celtic Fan Forever]

With 4(11) The Boston Celtics select:

Rick Barry

[Yoki_IsTheName]

With 4(11) The Boston Celtics select:

Rick Barry

OH MY GOD! I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO GET HIM. I EVEN HAD A WHOLE POST READY TO GO!

GOD DARN IT!

[Silky]

Silky, I think Payton was the ideal pick for your team right now.  A guy who can slow down MJ a little bit and also likely defend CP3, Isiah, and Curry.

I think you might rate your team a little too high though in a couple regards, and it mostly pertains to Yao.
1) Yao is not exactly a gobbler of all rebounds.  I mean even in just the single season you're selecting him for, he was the #15 ranked rebounder per game and #21 in per 100 possessions.  Imagine him compared to the actual all-time great rebounders?
2) Yao's passing is good, but I don't think is as great as you remember.  He averaged 1.5 assists per game that season and maxed out at 2.3 apg in his career.  I don't recall him as being an outlet pass master like some NBA greats are known for.
3) I think you'll be a good transition team, but probably not the best one.  Too many all-time great transition players on other teams to be compared to.

Payton is the perfect PG for me.

And Yao at 10rpg is plenty enough for me, honestly I have Dream pulling down 13-15 per game, Kobe at 7 and Payton at 5

There is only 10 left for him.


My biggest love of having Yao on this team is that after a team does everything it can to get around/by/through Payton and Kobe the next person they are going to see is 7foot6 Yao standing between them and the rim with one of the greatest defenders in the history of the game coming over from the weak side.

Hakeems speed will allow him to recover from weakside help as well better than about any bigman, ever.

On offense, all Yao is gonna get is trailing 15-20 foot jumpshots, and perhaps some offensive rebound putbacks.

My offense is all my big three of Hakeem, Kobe and Payton which will come off turnovers more than anything.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

With Rick Barry getting stolen for me, I have to go a different direction. Luckily, this guy was on the top half of my board and still happy to get him.

12x All-Star
6x All NBA
2x All NBA Defensive Team
2x Rebounding league leader
NBA Champion

With the 12th pick in the 4th round, the Detroit Pistons are happy to select a guy who would keep our defensive identity honest, while adding some scoring punch to the team.

We select The Big E, Elvin Hayes.

[Silky]

Silky, I think Payton was the ideal pick for your team right now.  A guy who can slow down MJ a little bit and also likely defend CP3, Isiah, and Curry.

I think you might rate your team a little too high though in a couple regards, and it mostly pertains to Yao.
1) Yao is not exactly a gobbler of all rebounds.  I mean even in just the single season you're selecting him for, he was the #15 ranked rebounder per game and #21 in per 100 possessions.  Imagine him compared to the actual all-time great rebounders?
2) Yao's passing is good, but I don't think is as great as you remember.  He averaged 1.5 assists per game that season and maxed out at 2.3 apg in his career.  I don't recall him as being an outlet pass master like some NBA greats are known for.
3) I think you'll be a good transition team, but probably not the best one.  Too many all-time great transition players on other teams to be compared to.

Also, is Hakeem going to play PF or did Silky draft his backup center in round 4? I don't think playing Hakeem anywhere but at center is the best idea.

I will be running more positionless basketball with Hakeem and Yao both on the court.

There is no power forward that I do not firmly believe that Hakeem cannot defend or cannot score on at will.

I mean is Dirk gonna stop Hakeem? Barkley? Malone? KG? Giannis or Durant?

Hakeem will feast offensively and can not lose a step defensively against these guys.

Yao takes up space and is that final hurdle for defenses to deal with.

I have a massive team, with ridiculous defense.

[Who]

With 4(11) The Boston Celtics select:

Rick Barry

Do you have Pippen, LeBron and Rick Barry?

[Celtic Fan Forever]

With 4(11) The Boston Celtics select:

Rick Barry

Do you have Pippen, LeBron and Rick Barry?

Yes, but I think they can be unselfish and versatile enough to make it work.

[action781]

With 4(11) The Boston Celtics select:

Rick Barry

Do you have Pippen, LeBron and Rick Barry?

Yes, but I think they can be unselfish and versatile enough to make it work.

Oh I think they can.  I like that trio.  Although I shouldn't tell you that as I'm PM'ing you a trade offer for Barry.      I was hoping he'd fall to me at 5(4).

[nickagneta]

Silky, I think Payton was the ideal pick for your team right now.  A guy who can slow down MJ a little bit and also likely defend CP3, Isiah, and Curry.

I think you might rate your team a little too high though in a couple regards, and it mostly pertains to Yao.
1) Yao is not exactly a gobbler of all rebounds.  I mean even in just the single season you're selecting him for, he was the #15 ranked rebounder per game and #21 in per 100 possessions.  Imagine him compared to the actual all-time great rebounders?
2) Yao's passing is good, but I don't think is as great as you remember.  He averaged 1.5 assists per game that season and maxed out at 2.3 apg in his career.  I don't recall him as being an outlet pass master like some NBA greats are known for.
3) I think you'll be a good transition team, but probably not the best one.  Too many all-time great transition players on other teams to be compared to.

Also, is Hakeem going to play PF or did Silky draft his backup center in round 4? I don't think playing Hakeem anywhere but at center is the best idea.

I will be running more positionless basketball with Hakeem and Yao both on the court.

There is no power forward that I do not firmly believe that Hakeem cannot defend or cannot score on at will.

I mean is Dirk gonna stop Hakeem? Barkley? Malone? KG? Giannis or Durant?

Hakeem will feast offensively and can not lose a step defensively against these guys.

Yao takes up space and is that final hurdle for defenses to deal with.

I have a massive team, with ridiculous defense.

Sorry, hate the idea. You have arguably the 3rd or 4th best center in NBA history who is also maybe the 2nd best defensive center ever and you are going to have him playing out of position. Hakeem was an amazing defender as your defensive QB and rim protector. Now as a PF, he will be pulled out to the perimeter and you waste Hakeem. I think Hakeem also would do a great job defensively on the best centers ever. I don't think Yao can. I actually think the best centers ever will do very well versus Yao, regardless of his size.

[Silky]

Silky, I think Payton was the ideal pick for your team right now.  A guy who can slow down MJ a little bit and also likely defend CP3, Isiah, and Curry.

I think you might rate your team a little too high though in a couple regards, and it mostly pertains to Yao.
1) Yao is not exactly a gobbler of all rebounds.  I mean even in just the single season you're selecting him for, he was the #15 ranked rebounder per game and #21 in per 100 possessions.  Imagine him compared to the actual all-time great rebounders?
2) Yao's passing is good, but I don't think is as great as you remember.  He averaged 1.5 assists per game that season and maxed out at 2.3 apg in his career.  I don't recall him as being an outlet pass master like some NBA greats are known for.
3) I think you'll be a good transition team, but probably not the best one.  Too many all-time great transition players on other teams to be compared to.

Also, is Hakeem going to play PF or did Silky draft his backup center in round 4? I don't think playing Hakeem anywhere but at center is the best idea.

I will be running more positionless basketball with Hakeem and Yao both on the court.

There is no power forward that I do not firmly believe that Hakeem cannot defend or cannot score on at will.

I mean is Dirk gonna stop Hakeem? Barkley? Malone? KG? Giannis or Durant?

Hakeem will feast offensively and can not lose a step defensively against these guys.

Yao takes up space and is that final hurdle for defenses to deal with.

I have a massive team, with ridiculous defense.

Sorry, hate the idea. You have arguably the 3rd or 4th best center in NBA history who is also maybe the 2nd best defensive center ever and you are going to have him playing out of position. Hakeem was an amazing defender as your defensive QB and rim protector. Now as a PF, he will be pulled out to the perimeter and you waste Hakeem. I think Hakeem also would do a great job defensively on the best centers ever. I don't think Yao can. I actually think the best centers ever will do very well versus Yao, regardless of his size.

Hakeem played PF entering the league, he and ralph swapped back and forth.

He will still be playing as a big, most of the time he will indeed be the center, but times he wont be, there are only a few matchups that the power forward is actualy capable of "pulling him away from the basket" and in those instances, lineups might change.

I know have Hakeem, who was one of the greatest off ball defenders ever, defending off the ball.