2019 Historical Draft Thread(TIME TO REVEAL THE WINNER!!!)

[Moranis]

I think this is the round when I might start taking players that fit as opposed to B.P.A.  Obviously will depend on how the draft is going and who is or is not on the board, but definitely need to really start focusing on team building.

Its funny to me because I am at the complete opposite.

I have players on my board based on fit, but man, I still see a few top tier talent there that if they are still available where I pick, I might abandon my list and take them

I'm the same exact way.  I think a few players on the board will be extremely tradeable even if they don't fit one's team

So today could be asset collection day. BPA and if they play the same position as another on your team, make them available to trade for or make them your 6th man.

I doubt they'd slip past me, seeming as I have the last pick of the round today. But man, I see a good half a dozen players that if they do slip, I won't hesitate to pick.

one guy in particular really stands out to me, but I hate the fit on my roster.  I'd have a hard time taking him for that reason.  A couple of other guys I am a bit more torn on regarding fit.  But yeah, there are plenty of very good players available.  I do have real worries though about loading up on alpha-males and ending up with a disaster as far as chemistry.  I think I have the right mix right now, but you add in 2 more alphas and it can go down hill quickly.

There are bunches of guys that played on gold medal winning teams that were alphas but sacrificed on that gold medal winning team for the greater good. Grabbing alphas with that type experience could mitigate your issue of too many alphas, if your alphas have shown to be able to meld with other alphas on gold medal winning teams.

Olympics are a different animal.  Perhaps the greatest basketball American Olympian has been a problem for his actual teams.  Never finding the right mix and right way to do things for his actual teams, but going above and beyond on the national teams. 

[Somebody]

I think this is the round when I might start taking players that fit as opposed to B.P.A.  Obviously will depend on how the draft is going and who is or is not on the board, but definitely need to really start focusing on team building.

Its funny to me because I am at the complete opposite.

I have players on my board based on fit, but man, I still see a few top tier talent there that if they are still available where I pick, I might abandon my list and take them

I'm the same exact way.  I think a few players on the board will be extremely tradeable even if they don't fit one's team

So today could be asset collection day. BPA and if they play the same position as another on your team, make them available to trade for or make them your 6th man.

I doubt they'd slip past me, seeming as I have the last pick of the round today. But man, I see a good half a dozen players that if they do slip, I won't hesitate to pick.

one guy in particular really stands out to me, but I hate the fit on my roster.  I'd have a hard time taking him for that reason.  A couple of other guys I am a bit more torn on regarding fit.  But yeah, there are plenty of very good players available.  I do have real worries though about loading up on alpha-males and ending up with a disaster as far as chemistry.  I think I have the right mix right now, but you add in 2 more alphas and it can go down hill quickly.

I think how the games fit are more important than having too many alphas. Winning is the cure all for discontentment and dissatisfaction as long as the players get a role where they can do their thing, even if it's scaled back a bit.

Except we've seen time and time again great players, even on winning teams, often end up clashing with the other great players on their teams and the teams blow up.  You end up with several of those type players and it isn't easy to manage that.  Take Shaq and Kobe for example.  They were winning, but they hated playing with each other.  Jordan and Pippen didn't get along at all though because of Jordan's breaks they stuck it out (and there Pippen was the clear beta to Jordan's alpha).  Those aren't unique situations (can't list them all as several have players not yet drafted in this).  You need the glue guys, even ones that are uber talented and could legitimately start on a team in this.  That is why someone like Garnett is more valuable than perhaps his talent would yield.  He was never a ball dominant scorer and his strengths would work well in this. 

Also, that is one of the main reasons I grabbed 3 players from the same era, 2 of which actually played together for a couple of seasons.  I wanted guys that I thought would mesh well together when you are talking about 3 top 20 players all time.    Again I might throw all of that out and take another uber talented player, but at some point the lesser talented but better fitting players have to added or your team becomes a mess.

Oh I absolutely agree. It was why I took Garnett and Curry so early (to some): they're both players who aren't ball dominant and could scale their offenses to complement an "alpha" (rn it's TMac lol).

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I think this is the round when I might start taking players that fit as opposed to B.P.A.  Obviously will depend on how the draft is going and who is or is not on the board, but definitely need to really start focusing on team building.

Its funny to me because I am at the complete opposite.

I have players on my board based on fit, but man, I still see a few top tier talent there that if they are still available where I pick, I might abandon my list and take them

I'm the same exact way.  I think a few players on the board will be extremely tradeable even if they don't fit one's team

So today could be asset collection day. BPA and if they play the same position as another on your team, make them available to trade for or make them your 6th man.

I doubt they'd slip past me, seeming as I have the last pick of the round today. But man, I see a good half a dozen players that if they do slip, I won't hesitate to pick.

one guy in particular really stands out to me, but I hate the fit on my roster.  I'd have a hard time taking him for that reason.  A couple of other guys I am a bit more torn on regarding fit.  But yeah, there are plenty of very good players available.  I do have real worries though about loading up on alpha-males and ending up with a disaster as far as chemistry.  I think I have the right mix right now, but you add in 2 more alphas and it can go down hill quickly.

Apologies, but I will toot my own horn.

This is why I LOVE where I'm at. I have players who are definitive superstars in their own rights, but all are willing to play within the team, and co exist with others.

I'd like to say so far, Kawhi Leonard is my ultimate alpha, but really, he can be a quiet superstar next to a bigger personality and can still be effective. Hondo has been a 6th man, and had no problem doing so. John Stockton is just as unselfish and as willing as ever.

I could afford to draft a big personality player if he slips to me at 4.12 with the team I have. I could really go in any direction at this point.

[nickagneta]

TRADE

Utah sends 4(9), 6(9) and 7(4)
San Antonio sends 5(9), 5(11) and 6(4)

[Who]

I think this is the round when I might start taking players that fit as opposed to B.P.A.  Obviously will depend on how the draft is going and who is or is not on the board, but definitely need to really start focusing on team building.

Its funny to me because I am at the complete opposite.

I have players on my board based on fit, but man, I still see a few top tier talent there that if they are still available where I pick, I might abandon my list and take them

I'm the same exact way.  I think a few players on the board will be extremely tradeable even if they don't fit one's team

So today could be asset collection day. BPA and if they play the same position as another on your team, make them available to trade for or make them your 6th man.

I doubt they'd slip past me, seeming as I have the last pick of the round today. But man, I see a good half a dozen players that if they do slip, I won't hesitate to pick.

one guy in particular really stands out to me, but I hate the fit on my roster.  I'd have a hard time taking him for that reason.  A couple of other guys I am a bit more torn on regarding fit.  But yeah, there are plenty of very good players available.  I do have real worries though about loading up on alpha-males and ending up with a disaster as far as chemistry.  I think I have the right mix right now, but you add in 2 more alphas and it can go down hill quickly.

Apologies, but I will toot my own horn.

This is why I LOVE where I'm at. I have players who are definitive superstars in their own rights, but all are willing to play within the team, and co exist with others.

I'd like to say so far, Kawhi Leonard is my ultimate alpha, but really, he can be a quiet superstar next to a bigger personality and can still be effective. Hondo has been a 6th man, and had no problem doing so. John Stockton is just as unselfish and as willing as ever.

I could afford to draft a big personality player if he slips to me at 4.12 with the team I have. I could really go in any direction at this point.

Yeah I like that about your team.

I feel I gotta thread carefully with Wilt. Gotta keep Wilt happy - if Wilt ain't happy, the team will fall apart.

[nickagneta]

I think this is the round when I might start taking players that fit as opposed to B.P.A.  Obviously will depend on how the draft is going and who is or is not on the board, but definitely need to really start focusing on team building.

Its funny to me because I am at the complete opposite.

I have players on my board based on fit, but man, I still see a few top tier talent there that if they are still available where I pick, I might abandon my list and take them

I'm the same exact way.  I think a few players on the board will be extremely tradeable even if they don't fit one's team

So today could be asset collection day. BPA and if they play the same position as another on your team, make them available to trade for or make them your 6th man.

I doubt they'd slip past me, seeming as I have the last pick of the round today. But man, I see a good half a dozen players that if they do slip, I won't hesitate to pick.

one guy in particular really stands out to me, but I hate the fit on my roster.  I'd have a hard time taking him for that reason.  A couple of other guys I am a bit more torn on regarding fit.  But yeah, there are plenty of very good players available.  I do have real worries though about loading up on alpha-males and ending up with a disaster as far as chemistry.  I think I have the right mix right now, but you add in 2 more alphas and it can go down hill quickly.

There are bunches of guys that played on gold medal winning teams that were alphas but sacrificed on that gold medal winning team for the greater good. Grabbing alphas with that type experience could mitigate your issue of too many alphas, if your alphas have shown to be able to meld with other alphas on gold medal winning teams.

Olympics are a different animal.  Perhaps the greatest basketball American Olympian has been a problem for his actual teams.  Never finding the right mix and right way to do things for his actual teams, but going above and beyond on the national teams.

So because of your one example the plethora of evidence of alphas who sacrifice for the betterment of a team in the Olympics should be ignored? I don't think so. Heck, your team has three alphas and two showed on Team USA, as teammates no less, that they could set aside their alpha ways for the betterment of the team.

[nickagneta]

TRADE:

Dallas sends Julius Erving and 6(5)
Los Angeles sends Anthony Davis and 8(2)

[Silky]

cannot wait to make my picks, hope I get my guys...this team is gonna look crazy when its all said and done. which was my goal.

[action781]

TRADE:

Dallas sends Julius Erving and 6(5)
Los Angeles sends Anthony Davis and 8(2)

CP3 + Ant Davis + Kareem is OK, but I think I liked Dr J there better.  I don't love that they'll only have 4 starters by the end of round 5 with their extra pick coming not until round 8.

I like that LA traded Ant Davis.  I think there are a couple very good centers left that can fill that position well with pick 4(2).  Was Dr. J the right player at the wing?  I'll have to think about that.  If I were LA, I would want to pair Steph up with another Splash Brother (not literally that guy, just another player of that style of play).  I think that brings the best out of Steph and we know that Steph can bring the best out of that kind of player.  But that might just be a very narrow-minded view by me at first glance.

[Moranis]

I think this is the round when I might start taking players that fit as opposed to B.P.A.  Obviously will depend on how the draft is going and who is or is not on the board, but definitely need to really start focusing on team building.

Its funny to me because I am at the complete opposite.

I have players on my board based on fit, but man, I still see a few top tier talent there that if they are still available where I pick, I might abandon my list and take them

I'm the same exact way.  I think a few players on the board will be extremely tradeable even if they don't fit one's team

So today could be asset collection day. BPA and if they play the same position as another on your team, make them available to trade for or make them your 6th man.

I doubt they'd slip past me, seeming as I have the last pick of the round today. But man, I see a good half a dozen players that if they do slip, I won't hesitate to pick.

one guy in particular really stands out to me, but I hate the fit on my roster.  I'd have a hard time taking him for that reason.  A couple of other guys I am a bit more torn on regarding fit.  But yeah, there are plenty of very good players available.  I do have real worries though about loading up on alpha-males and ending up with a disaster as far as chemistry.  I think I have the right mix right now, but you add in 2 more alphas and it can go down hill quickly.

There are bunches of guys that played on gold medal winning teams that were alphas but sacrificed on that gold medal winning team for the greater good. Grabbing alphas with that type experience could mitigate your issue of too many alphas, if your alphas have shown to be able to meld with other alphas on gold medal winning teams.

Olympics are a different animal.  Perhaps the greatest basketball American Olympian has been a problem for his actual teams.  Never finding the right mix and right way to do things for his actual teams, but going above and beyond on the national teams.

So because of your one example the plethora of evidence of alphas who sacrifice for the betterment of a team in the Olympics should be ignored? I don't think so. Heck, your team has three alphas and two showed on Team USA, as teammates no less, that they could set aside their alpha ways for the betterment of the team.

No what I'm saying is I wouldn't put much stock in the Olympics.  It is an entirely different animal that has basically no bearing on how players will perform in the NBA.  There are examples of players that didn't play well in the Olympic setting, but played very well with other great players in the NBA.  There are examples of players that played very well in the Olympic setting, but were awful in the NBA.  There are examples of players that played well or played poorly in both.  I just don't see any real correlation to Olympics and to the NBA.  It is just a different animal. 

As for Magic and Barkley, they showed in the NBA that they could play well with other great players.  Magic did it his entire career, starting off as a beta before turning into the alpha.  Barkley started off on a team that 3 other HOFers on it, so he learned early on how to play on a great team, before becoming the #1 guy later on in his career.  That carried over into the Olympics for both of them, though that original Dream Team was even an animal unto itself.  There was almost no way that wasn't going to work for the novelty of it alone (plus many of the stars had already won in the NBA). 

I think you could use international competition as a sort of tiebreaker, but I wouldn't put much stock in it at all.  Just a different game, with different goals, etc. 

[nickagneta]

ROUND 4 IS NOW OPEN

[Moranis]

TRADE:

Dallas sends Julius Erving and 6(5)
Los Angeles sends Anthony Davis and 8(2)

I'm confused by this trade.  Erving was selected a full round before Davis, yet that is the team giving up the higher pick later on.  What am I missing?

[Celts Fan 508]

With pick 4(1) the Chicago Bulls select:

Someone who might start or possibly return to be:

The Best 6th man to ever play!! (One of 4 players to win multiple 6th Man Awards, recorded two of the three highest totals of win shares by a 6th man of the year winner).

3 time NBA champion

One time All-NBA first team

3 time All-Defense first team/ 3 time second

2 All-time appearances on Cheers


The man with the 8’ wingspan and an endless amount of post moves


Kevin McHale

[Silky]

With pick 4(1) the Chicago Bulls select:

Someone who might start or possibly return to be:

The Best 6th man to ever play!! (One of 4 players to win multiple 6th Man Awards, recorded two of the three highest totals of win shares by a 6th man of the year winner).

3 time NBA champion

One time All-NBA first team

3 time All-Defense first team/ 3 time second

2 All-time appearances on Cheers


The man with the 8’ wingspan and an endless amount of post moves


Kevin McHale

great, great pick

[action781]

As for Magic and Barkley, they showed in the NBA that they could play well with other great players.  Magic did it his entire career, starting off as a beta before turning into the alpha.  Barkley started off on a team that 3 other HOFers on it, so he learned early on how to play on a great team, before becoming the #1 guy later on in his career.  That carried over into the Olympics for both of them, though that original Dream Team was even an animal unto itself.  There was almost no way that wasn't going to work for the novelty of it alone (plus many of the stars had already won in the NBA). 

I think you could use international competition as a sort of tiebreaker, but I wouldn't put much stock in it at all.  Just a different game, with different goals, etc.

Did Barkley really show that?  He played with several all-time greats at different stages of his career and never won a title.  I think he particularly tanked that 97 Houston team.  He was on my DND (do not draft) list unless there was a really particular fit that he could slide into (maybe like yoki's team).