2019 Historical Draft Thread(TIME TO REVEAL THE WINNER!!!)

[GreenFaith1819]

Wade is the 3rd best SG of all time, but I just don't like his game in this type of draft.  Ball dominant, poor shooter, good but not great defender, etc.  He needs the right team around him and I don't think he is good enough to be the centerpiece.

Whose saying he's going to be my centerpiece?

And how can you admit to him being 3rd best SG and yet a poor shooter? The comments don't fit, Moranis.

I chose him because he's unselfish - he took a backseat to LeBron and even Bosh at times.

He allowed Shaq to fit in and got a Banner out of it.

I can easily see DWade fitting in on THIS roster as 3rd option - with Jerry West giving him plenty of looks as well.

[gouki88]

Wade is the 3rd best SG of all time, but I just don't like his game in this type of draft.  Ball dominant, poor shooter, good but not great defender, etc.  He needs the right team around him and I don't think he is good enough to be the centerpiece.

Whose saying he's going to be my centerpiece?

And how can you admit to him being 3rd best SG and yet a poor shooter? The comments don't fit, Moranis.

I chose him because he's unselfish - he took a backseat to LeBron and even Bosh at times.

He allowed Shaq to fit in and got a Banner out of it.

I can easily see DWade fitting in on THIS roster as 3rd option - with Jerry West giving him plenty of looks as well.

He might not of been an elite 3 point shooter, but he was an elite mid-range shooter and post-shooter in periods of his career. Plus, his TS% was routinely in the high 50's and he generated lots of free throws. Bad shooter seems like too general a dismissal of Wade

[GreenFaith1819]

Wade had some very good numbers 16ft to the 3 point line...long twos?

He brings enough to the table for me to pick him where I did.

But again - I'd rather trade him with the flack I'm getting...I'm not expecting him to get 11 up votes but I'm certain that people can - and have - seen the same stats...numbers..I have.

He is far from a poor shooter. And he'd easily slot into a 3rd option and had GREAT synergy with Shaq and J West.

So 3 second team defensive awards mean nothing now?

[Roy H.]

I'd rather trade him with the flack I'm getting...

My advice:  build the team in your own vision and take personal satisfaction in it.  Just take the voting totally out of the equation.

In an ideal world, these drafts are about the journey:  learning about players you may not be super familiar with, debating among fellow Celtics fans, and spending an inordinate amount of time thinking about how all of these pieces would fit together for your own personal satisfaction.

I like your team and think that it fits together well.  Sub-prime Shaq and Prime Wade won a title.  Imagine the best versions of them?  But, I do think you'll want some spacing.  Wade loves getting to the line, and Shaq clogs up the paint.  Jerry West is awesome besides those two.  But, you're going to want to ideally get forwards who have a bit of range, I think. 

[Silky]

Wade had some very good numbers 16ft to the 3 point line...long twos?

He brings enough to the table for me to pick him where I did.

But again - I'd rather trade him with the flack I'm getting...I'm not expecting him to get 11 up votes but I'm certain that people can - and have - seen the same stats...numbers..I have.

He is far from a poor shooter. And he'd easily slot into a 3rd option and had GREAT synergy with Shaq and J West.

So 3 second team defensive awards mean nothing now?

Load up on shooters and defenders and you will be fine.

Not everyone is gonna like all if everyones picks.

Most dislike my kobe pick. But I will build the team I envision amd prove them wrong.

You do the same.

[Silky]

Sent some pms of trade ideas to a few of you....dont forget to check pms.

[Somebody]

The guy I wanted was Giannis with the pick. Davis was more of the guy I wanted in the fourth so I got burnt there.

[Somebody]

My breakdown of the last round:

Pick 1: John Stockton.
He was high on my list (very high). I think he's one of the underrated all-time greats. Amazing passer, one of the most durable players of all time, efficient scorer and a massive pest on defence. Depending on the season you pick he's a solid threat from outside too. You know you're good when one of the best defensive guards of the 90s consistently describes you as his toughest guard assignment.

Pick 2: Scottie Pippen.
Pippen and LeBron is awesome. Two of the best passing forwards ever, and Pippen can allow LBJ to take the less difficult defensive match-up. That's one athletic dang team too.

Pick 3: Patrick Ewing.
I know he doesn't have the same reputation as the big 3 centers of the 90's (Hakeem, Admiral and Shaq), but I think he's become somewhat forgotten about. He was an elite defensive presence at times, could dominate in the post with good efficiency, and was a good rebounder. Next to Malone and Bird he can focus on really being a presence on the inside.

Pick 4: Tiny Archibald.
I know some may think this a reach, but Tiny's pre-injury peak was amazing. He had FT numbers that were preposterous for someone so small, his AST% was in the 30's numerous times in his career, and in one season he led the league in PPG and APG. His speed and passing in today's game would be deadly.

Pick 5: Walt Frazier.
All-Defence guard who won championships and could do it all. Score, pass, rebound, you name it. Next to the inside-outside 7 footers up front I like this pick.

Pick 6: Charles Barkley.
I love Chuck. If I didn't get Malone in the 2nd round I likely would have gone after him this round. The rebounding of Chuck and Moses is off the charts. Magic will help the Round Mound eat

Pick 7: Dwyane Wade.
Good pick. Proven chemistry with Shaq, proven ability to change his game depending on who he is teamed up with, and he had a legit MVP-caliber peak. Really can't fault that. Only knock on his game is shooting, but I'd have West as an elite shooter.

Pick 8: Chris Paul.
Chris Paul's peak was really good. Efficient scoring, great passing and really good playing the passing lanes on defence. I don't know if he's who I would have taken, but alongside Dr J and KAJ he can really play the Point God role. Plus I think he'd flourish without all the pressure on him to score

Pick 9: Tracy McGrady.
Another guy I had high on my list. His peak was every bit as good as Kobe's for my mind. Not quite as good defensively as Kobe was at times, but Kobe never scored 30+ with the 3 point shooting TMac was able to.

Pick 10: Giannis.
I thought this was an early pick. His MVP season last season was definitely good, but the questions over his game (shooting) and the lack of post-season success hurts him for me. That's a really long team though.

Pick 11: Anthony Davis.
Not sure I'd have taken AD here. Either AD or KG is going to be playing the 5 full-time, and I think that could cause problems against some of the bulls that have played in the league, like Wilt or Shaq. Both are out East, but even bigs like KAJ and Moses could be a bit overpowering for him.

Pick 12: Elgin Baylor.
Love this pick. Didn't think there was any way to fit him in my team, so I didn't take him this round, but he's an all-time great for sure. Some of the most insane stats.

My idea was to take both Giannis and Davis so that I overload the frontcourt with length to overwhelm the behemoths at C with a team effort. Also don't think that anyone could've dealt with that speed. But oh well time to take a look at my remaining options.

[Who]

I thought most of D-Wade's defensive value came in team defense rather than man defense. He was a good man defender but he was an excellent team defender. It was that brilliant quickness and athleticism that allowed him to cover more ground in help (and recover) defensive situations that made him so valuable on defense.

[Somebody]

Is AD really unable to defend the behemoths of the past? sure he might have a strength/weight disadvantage but he has length and mobility to help him out. I thought he'd make a decent tandem next to Garnett, whose help defense can let my team tag team Cs down low.

[gouki88]

Is AD really unable to defend the behemoths of the past? sure he might have a strength/weight disadvantage but he has length and mobility to help him out. I thought he'd make a decent tandem next to Garnett, whose help defense can let my team tag team Cs down low.

I'm not too sure. The closest thing we have to some of those old bigs is *****, in terms of strength, and ***** has gotten the better of him in their last two outings (the last time they played ***** really did some damage).

****** also has really strong head-to-head numbers against AD.

However, AD has bounced between PF and C throughout his time, so not sure how useful raw head-to-head stats are.

Edit: forgot to censor names! My bad everyone

[Somebody]

Is AD really unable to defend the behemoths of the past? sure he might have a strength/weight disadvantage but he has length and mobility to help him out. I thought he'd make a decent tandem next to Garnett, whose help defense can let my team tag team Cs down low.

I'm not too sure. The closest thing we have to some of those old bigs is Embiid, in terms of strength, and Embiid has gotten the better of him in their last two outings (the last time they played Embiid really did some damage).

DeMarcus also has really strong head-to-head numbers against AD.

However, AD has bounced between PF and C throughout his time, so not sure how useful raw head-to-head stats are.

Just checked the stats and yeah AD got outplayed pretty badly, although he got a 5X5 in the second game. He did dominate ****** during the 2016 season, but he was younger back then. I do think AD would do fine against him over a larger sample size-they only faced each other 4 times.

[action781]

Is AD really unable to defend the behemoths of the past? sure he might have a strength/weight disadvantage but he has length and mobility to help him out. I thought he'd make a decent tandem next to Garnett, whose help defense can let my team tag team Cs down low.

I think he would have a lot of difficulty doing so.  I don't think mobility helps one defend a true powerhouse center.  Where I think length and mobility are HUGE for him is if he's playing the PF position where he can use that length to play bigger than PFs and that mobility + length to play help defense.  He's a very good PF in this game, IMO.

[Somebody]

Is AD really unable to defend the behemoths of the past? sure he might have a strength/weight disadvantage but he has length and mobility to help him out. I thought he'd make a decent tandem next to Garnett, whose help defense can let my team tag team Cs down low.

I think he would have a lot of difficulty doing so.  I don't think mobility helps one defend a true powerhouse center.  Where I think length and mobility are HUGE for him is if he's playing the PF position where he can use that length to play bigger than PFs and that mobility + length to play help defense.  He's a very good PF in this game, IMO.

Fair points. Guess I'll have to play run and gun offense to make up for the lack of interior defense I have lol. I do like the help defense I have with KG and Davis though.

[action781]

Is AD really unable to defend the behemoths of the past? sure he might have a strength/weight disadvantage but he has length and mobility to help him out. I thought he'd make a decent tandem next to Garnett, whose help defense can let my team tag team Cs down low.

I think he would have a lot of difficulty doing so.  I don't think mobility helps one defend a true powerhouse center.  Where I think length and mobility are HUGE for him is if he's playing the PF position where he can use that length to play bigger than PFs and that mobility + length to play help defense.  He's a very good PF in this game, IMO.

Fair points. Guess I'll have to play run and gun offense to make up for the lack of interior defense I have lol. I do like the help defense I have with KG and Davis though.

Certainly a viable option