Enes Kanter to Celtics

[Erik]

Just to clarify my position yesterday because it might not have been clear: I'm OK with the contract because of the cost and desperation, but you guys need to understand that we didn't get a $15 mil player for $5 mil. We got, at best, a full MLE player for room MLE. The word "elite" shouldn't be used anywhere near him in any attribute. He ranges from poor to above average depending on the attribute. My hope is that he gets packaged with other assets for a Dedmon like $12 mil player as Dangercart suggested by the trade deadline.

Enes finished 4th, 5th, 13th, 4th and 6th in total offensive rebounds the last 5 years while never averaging above 25.8 minutes a game in any year. In those last five years he has finished 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 1st and 2nd in offensive rebounding percentage. And in total rebound percentage he has finished 15th, 4th, 17th, 3rd and 6th.

He has been a top 5 offensive rebounder in the entire league the last 5 years, any way you look at it, maybe probably top 3. That is elite. And his ability to get rebounds is top ten in that time.

If he had been putting in starter minutes, like 30-36 minutes a game, he probably would have had counting rebounding numbers that would have put him in the top 5 in the league in rebounds per game. That is an elite ability.

He’s also top-20 among active players in career FG%, eFG%, and TS%.  He’s got the 28th best career FG% of all time.

28th best ever is probably elite.

He's not elite at offensive rebounds. He get a lot of offensive rebounds because his entire contribution to the offense is hanging around the rim because he cant shoot or set any kind of PnR action. He also can't post even though he's hanging around the rim. He's basically going to clog the lane because he has no ability to space the floor. If you thought that the C's settled for a lot of 3's last year, just wait until they have no other choice. Yes, he'll get a lot of offensive rebounds, but he's also hurting the offense. This is also why his FG% is high. It's extremely disingenuous to cite a high FG% for a person with the below shot chart.

SHOT TYPE FGM   FGA   FG%   
Layup   270   416   64.9   
Jump Shot   36   121   29.8   
Hook Shot   46   117   39.3   
Tip Shot   34   72   47.2   
Dunk           22   26   84.6   0   
Finger Roll   7   10   70.0   
Fadeaway   3   8   37.5   
Bank Shot   1   6   16.7   
Alley Oop   1   1   100   


Using that logic, Tacko Fall is also elite at FG%. My guess is that he's eventually going to be replaced by Theis as the starter in all situations except vs dominant centers, like Baynes was doing. Seriously guys, you're citing offensive rebounding percentage for a team that has had the strategy of running stretch bigs for the longest time.

[nickagneta]

He's not elite at offensive rebounds. He get a lot of offensive rebounds because his entire contribution to the offense is hanging around the rim

Do you expect the best offensive rebounders in the current NBA or in NBA history to hang or hung around the three point line, the mid range area or near the foul line? It's kind of a prerequisite to being an elite rebounder of any type that you are near the basket an awful lot.

Now the NBA is littered with and has always been overflowing with big guys that hang around the rim because of limitations elsewhere. So Kanter was fighting not only all those guys for rebounds but also great rebounders who aren't always in the paint. And yet, he still was a top three guy(and the best guy at doing that in two years) for the last five years if you look at offensive rebounding percentage. He took in a higher percentage of available offensive rebounds while he was in the game than anyone else in the league the last 5 years. And that stat is backed up with the stat that, even though he played just 25 minutes a game, he ranked top 6 in total offensive rebounds 3 of the last 5 years.

You can poo pop those numbers with inane justifications all you want, but if you are the best or top 5 in the league at something, especially over a time period of 5 years, that makes you elite at that skill.

[Fafnir]

You have to use Kanter completely differently than Theis/Horford/Olynyk. Just a different skill set and player. More like when Baynes was at C for the C's.

[SHAQATTACK]

He's not elite at offensive rebounds. He get a lot of offensive rebounds because his entire contribution to the offense is hanging around the rim

Do you expect the best offensive rebounders in the current NBA or in NBA history to hang or hung around the three point line, the mid range area or near the foul line? It's kind of a prerequisite to being an elite rebounder of any type that you are near the basket an awful lot.

Now the NBA is littered with and has always been overflowing with big guys that hang around the rim because of limitations elsewhere. So Kanter was fighting not only all those guys for rebounds but also great rebounders who aren't always in the paint. And yet, he still was a top three guy(and the best guy at doing that in two years) for the last five years if you look at offensive rebounding percentage. He took in a higher percentage of available offensive rebounds while he was in the game than anyone else in the league the last 5 years. And that stat is backed up with the stat that, even though he played just 25 minutes a game, he ranked top 6 in total offensive rebounds 3 of the last 5 years.

You can poo pop those numbers with inane justifications all you want, but if you are the best or top 5 in the league at something, especially over a time period of 5 years, that makes you elite at that skill.

TP ! good job proving what my eye test has always told me about him.

[footey]

Great in depth article about Kanter.

Liking this guy. Will have the backs of his teammates. Love how he stood up to Lebron!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gye9g4/the-nbas-man-of-many-faces

[fairweatherfan]

Just to clarify my position yesterday because it might not have been clear: I'm OK with the contract because of the cost and desperation, but you guys need to understand that we didn't get a $15 mil player for $5 mil. We got, at best, a full MLE player for room MLE. The word "elite" shouldn't be used anywhere near him in any attribute. He ranges from poor to above average depending on the attribute. My hope is that he gets packaged with other assets for a Dedmon like $12 mil player as Dangercart suggested by the trade deadline.

Enes finished 4th, 5th, 13th, 4th and 6th in total offensive rebounds the last 5 years while never averaging above 25.8 minutes a game in any year. In those last five years he has finished 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 1st and 2nd in offensive rebounding percentage. And in total rebound percentage he has finished 15th, 4th, 17th, 3rd and 6th.

He has been a top 5 offensive rebounder in the entire league the last 5 years, any way you look at it, maybe probably top 3. That is elite. And his ability to get rebounds is top ten in that time.

If he had been putting in starter minutes, like 30-36 minutes a game, he probably would have had counting rebounding numbers that would have put him in the top 5 in the league in rebounds per game. That is an elite ability.

He’s also top-20 among active players in career FG%, eFG%, and TS%.  He’s got the 28th best career FG% of all time.

28th best ever is probably elite.

He's not elite at offensive rebounds. He get a lot of offensive rebounds because his entire contribution to the offense is hanging around the rim because he cant shoot or set any kind of PnR action. He also can't post even though he's hanging around the rim. He's basically going to clog the lane because he has no ability to space the floor. If you thought that the C's settled for a lot of 3's last year, just wait until they have no other choice. Yes, he'll get a lot of offensive rebounds, but he's also hurting the offense. This is also why his FG% is high. It's extremely disingenuous to cite a high FG% for a person with the below shot chart.

SHOT TYPE FGM   FGA   FG%   
Layup   270   416   64.9   
Jump Shot   36   121   29.8   
Hook Shot   46   117   39.3   
Tip Shot   34   72   47.2   
Dunk           22   26   84.6   0   
Finger Roll   7   10   70.0   
Fadeaway   3   8   37.5   
Bank Shot   1   6   16.7   
Alley Oop   1   1   100   


Using that logic, Tacko Fall is also elite at FG%. My guess is that he's eventually going to be replaced by Theis as the starter in all situations except vs dominant centers, like Baynes was doing. Seriously guys, you're citing offensive rebounding percentage for a team that has had the strategy of running stretch bigs for the longest time.

No, Tacko Fall has 0 NBA minutes, Kanter has 13,000. Just a tiny difference in sample size for the logically inclined.

[gouki88]

I don’t know how anyone can say Kanter isn’t an elite offensive rebounder. He’s been top 3-5 in the league for a half decade.

Was Chris Paul not elite at getting steals? Is Rudy Gobert not an elite shot-blocker?

[Bobshot]

Kanter is really the only big I've seen them sign whom I would sign. Theis is a 4, not a 5. He can't defend bigger 5s.  The other bigs they've signed  have no real NBA experience. Stevens doesn't like Williams. If he did, he would have played him more. Then you have Poirier and the 7-7 kid. Ouch. How can they compete with Philly up front?

[wiley]

He's not elite at offensive rebounds. He get a lot of offensive rebounds because his entire contribution to the offense is hanging around the rim

Do you expect the best offensive rebounders in the current NBA or in NBA history to hang or hung around the three point line, the mid range area or near the foul line? It's kind of a prerequisite to being an elite rebounder of any type that you are near the basket an awful lot.

Now the NBA is littered with and has always been overflowing with big guys that hang around the rim because of limitations elsewhere. So Kanter was fighting not only all those guys for rebounds but also great rebounders who aren't always in the paint. And yet, he still was a top three guy(and the best guy at doing that in two years) for the last five years if you look at offensive rebounding percentage. He took in a higher percentage of available offensive rebounds while he was in the game than anyone else in the league the last 5 years. And that stat is backed up with the stat that, even though he played just 25 minutes a game, he ranked top 6 in total offensive rebounds 3 of the last 5 years.

You can poo pop those numbers with inane justifications all you want, but if you are the best or top 5 in the league at something, especially over a time period of 5 years, that makes you elite at that skill.

And, with the good old eye test, I can say that Kanter has a fairly elite ability to put an offensive rebound up and in.  I see him score score a lot of baskets after rebounding that no Celtic big in recent memory would be able to put in., at least not without much greater effort and or luck (Al would be closest due to his great talent, but not in close against a behemoth opponent.  He'd pass out, smartly)

As others are saying, totally different player and will see the bench now and then due the team wanting something else....but, when he's in you can count on his two elite skills, rebounding and scoring inside. 

[libermaniac]

Great in depth article about Kanter.

Liking this guy. Will have the backs of his teammates. Love how he stood up to Lebron!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gye9g4/the-nbas-man-of-many-faces

Great read.  Thanks.  TP.

[csfansince60s]

Great in depth article about Kanter.

Liking this guy. Will have the backs of his teammates. Love how he stood up to Lebron!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gye9g4/the-nbas-man-of-many-faces

Great read.  Thanks.  TP.

Ditto to both!👍🏀☘️

[SparzWizard]

Great in depth article about Kanter.

Liking this guy. Will have the backs of his teammates. Love how he stood up to Lebron!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gye9g4/the-nbas-man-of-many-faces

Great read.  Thanks.  TP.

Ditto to both!👍🏀☘️

This man is a terrorist from another country, bringing terror to some NBA players.

Though it's nice to terrorize LeBron James. Nobody likes that punk anyways. Kanter may be even scarier than KG and Perkins. Out with the softies like Horford and in with an intimidating man like Kanter.

[ozgod]

Nobody will accuse Kanter of not putting his body on the line at least. Dude played with a separated shoulder for Portland in the playoffs.

[number_n9ne]

First shot as a Celtic, bangs in a 3. This guy is gonna be a fan favorite 

https://twitter.com/EnesKanter/status/1147247442523561984?s=19

[Hank Finkel]

First shot as a Celtic, bangs in a 3. This guy is gonna be a fan favorite 

https://twitter.com/EnesKanter/status/1147247442523561984?s=19

That was a good read.  I think he will be a breathe of fresh air to this team.  He isn’t afraid to do the dirty work inside.  The C’s need more of these guys instead of the prima donnas of the NBA.