Enes Kanter to Celtics

[gpap]

I think its funny that after being very certain that Randle was a steal on his contract you're bagging on Kanter's defense.

Pot to Kettle lol.

I just think it's baffling that this guy averaged almost a double-double for his entire career on incredibly effiicient shooting, and was the best defender on a playoff team last year and somehow was still an afterthought in free agency and got a contract typically given to vets attempting to return from career threatening injuries. 

You guys are totally right It's definitely not that he's the worst defensive center in the league...

I really dont see the downside in signing a big man who averaged a double double and put up some amazing numbers in the playoffs...

some people on this site are too much...

Some people just like to complain and will never be happy.

[Roy H.]

I think its funny that after being very certain that Randle was a steal on his contract you're bagging on Kanter's defense.

Pot to Kettle lol.

I just think it's baffling that this guy averaged almost a double-double for his entire career on incredibly effiicient shooting, and was the best defender on a playoff team last year and somehow was still an afterthought in free agency and got a contract typically given to vets attempting to return from career threatening injuries. 

You guys are totally right It's definitely not that he's the worst defensive center in the league...

I really dont see the downside in signing a big man who averaged a double double and put up some amazing numbers in the playoffs...

some people on this site are too much...

Some people just like to complain and will never be happy.

I think that’s right. They need whipping boys.

14 points, 10 rebounds, and plenty of playoff experience.

[Somebody]

I think its funny that after being very certain that Randle was a steal on his contract you're bagging on Kanter's defense.

Pot to Kettle lol.

I just think it's baffling that this guy averaged almost a double-double for his entire career on incredibly effiicient shooting, and was the best defender on a playoff team last year and somehow was still an afterthought in free agency and got a contract typically given to vets attempting to return from career threatening injuries. 

You guys are totally right It's definitely not that he's the worst defensive center in the league...

I really dont see the downside in signing a big man who averaged a double double and put up some amazing numbers in the playoffs...

some people on this site are too much...

Some people just like to complain and will never be happy.

I think that’s right. They need whipping boys.

14 points, 10 rebounds, and plenty of playoff experience.

Absolutely. Quality starting C who can soak up a lot of minutes. Just need a backup who is more mobile to combat small ball lineups.

[slamtheking]

I think its funny that after being very certain that Randle was a steal on his contract you're bagging on Kanter's defense.

Pot to Kettle lol.

I just think it's baffling that this guy averaged almost a double-double for his entire career on incredibly effiicient shooting, and was the best defender on a playoff team last year and somehow was still an afterthought in free agency and got a contract typically given to vets attempting to return from career threatening injuries. 

You guys are totally right It's definitely not that he's the worst defensive center in the league...

I really dont see the downside in signing a big man who averaged a double double and put up some amazing numbers in the playoffs...

some people on this site are too much...

Some people just like to complain and will never be happy.

I think that’s right. They need whipping boys.

14 points, 10 rebounds, and plenty of playoff experience.

Absolutely. Quality starting C who can soak up a lot of minutes. Just need a backup who is more mobile to combat small ball lineups.

he may not be Al but he's a starting-caliber center in this league, can score and rebound.  we'll see if he can at least be serviceable on D.

[footey]

I think its funny that after being very certain that Randle was a steal on his contract you're bagging on Kanter's defense.

Pot to Kettle lol.

I just think it's baffling that this guy averaged almost a double-double for his entire career on incredibly effiicient shooting, and was the best defender on a playoff team last year and somehow was still an afterthought in free agency and got a contract typically given to vets attempting to return from career threatening injuries. 

You guys are totally right It's definitely not that he's the worst defensive center in the league...

I really dont see the downside in signing a big man who averaged a double double and put up some amazing numbers in the playoffs...

some people on this site are too much...

Some people just like to complain and will never be happy.

I think that’s right. They need whipping boys.

14 points, 10 rebounds, and plenty of playoff experience.

Absolutely. Quality starting C who can soak up a lot of minutes. Just need a backup who is more mobile to combat small ball lineups.

Yeah, someone like NOAH VONLEH. 

[Walker Wiggle]

Good D plays by Kanter

https://youtu.be/oqBDNN6WEjE

I'm glad someone posted something like this. TP.

I had heard that his defense had improved, and that with Portland he was less of a liability on that end. This video was encouraging.

He's naturally big and slow-footed, so he's never going to be Hakeem Olajuwon, let's put it that way. But the hope is that he can be active and smart on D, and on a team with other good defenders, hopefully that's enough.

Hard not to like this deal at the money.

[alt]

Kanter is a catastrophic defender. Probably not the worst in the league - well, he isn't, there are always guys Marjanović and rookies and guys like Tristan Thompson who don't care- but that's splitting hairs.

And yes, him dropping down sinking so deep in those side pick'n'roll was by design.

That is not a good thing. It'd be far better if he was just having a lazy or error prone game.

Stotts isn't an idiot. He was trying to maximize Kanter's defensive contributions (or rather minimize the problems he creates). And that's having him seek deep down in the lane like it's 1998.

[Big333223]

I was a little surprised to see Kanter just turned 27. For some reason, I felt like he's been around forever. We maybe haven't even seen this guy's prime yet. Maybe he has it for the C's.

[Erik]

Just to clarify my position yesterday because it might not have been clear: I'm OK with the contract because of the cost and desperation, but you guys need to understand that we didn't get a $15 mil player for $5 mil. We got, at best, a full MLE player for room MLE. The word "elite" shouldn't be used anywhere near him in any attribute. He ranges from poor to above average depending on the attribute. My hope is that he gets packaged with other assets for a Dedmon like $12 mil player as Dangercart suggested by the trade deadline.

[nickagneta]

Just to clarify my position yesterday because it might not have been clear: I'm OK with the contract because of the cost and desperation, but you guys need to understand that we didn't get a $15 mil player for $5 mil. We got, at best, a full MLE player for room MLE. The word "elite" shouldn't be used anywhere near him in any attribute. He ranges from poor to above average depending on the attribute. My hope is that he gets packaged with other assets for a Dedmon like $12 mil player as Dangercart suggested by the trade deadline.

Enes finished 4th, 5th, 13th, 4th and 6th in total offensive rebounds the last 5 years while never averaging above 25.8 minutes a game in any year. In those last five years he has finished 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 1st and 2nd in offensive rebounding percentage. And in total rebound percentage he has finished 15th, 4th, 17th, 3rd and 6th.

He has been a top 5 offensive rebounder in the entire league the last 5 years, any way you look at it, maybe probably top 3. That is elite. And his ability to get rebounds is top ten in that time.

If he had been putting in starter minutes, like 30-36 minutes a game, he probably would have had counting rebounding numbers that would have put him in the top 5 in the league in rebounds per game. That is an elite ability.

[Roy H.]

Just to clarify my position yesterday because it might not have been clear: I'm OK with the contract because of the cost and desperation, but you guys need to understand that we didn't get a $15 mil player for $5 mil. We got, at best, a full MLE player for room MLE. The word "elite" shouldn't be used anywhere near him in any attribute. He ranges from poor to above average depending on the attribute. My hope is that he gets packaged with other assets for a Dedmon like $12 mil player as Dangercart suggested by the trade deadline.

Enes finished 4th, 5th, 13th, 4th and 6th in total offensive rebounds the last 5 years while never averaging above 25.8 minutes a game in any year. In those last five years he has finished 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 1st and 2nd in offensive rebounding percentage. And in total rebound percentage he has finished 15th, 4th, 17th, 3rd and 6th.

He has been a top 5 offensive rebounder in the entire league the last 5 years, any way you look at it, maybe probably top 3. That is elite. And his ability to get rebounds is top ten in that time.

If he had been putting in starter minutes, like 30-36 minutes a game, he probably would have had counting rebounding numbers that would have put him in the top 5 in the league in rebounds per game. That is an elite ability.

He’s also top-20 among active players in career FG%, eFG%, and TS%.  He’s got the 28th best career FG% of all time.

28th best ever is probably elite.

[Silky]

Kanter is excellent at rebounding and shoots a high percentage in close. A good drop off target.

[Somebody]

Is Kanter okay in the short-mid? If he is he'll be much more versatile than a center who can't shoot for us on the offensive end.

[Green-18]

Just to clarify my position yesterday because it might not have been clear: I'm OK with the contract because of the cost and desperation, but you guys need to understand that we didn't get a $15 mil player for $5 mil. We got, at best, a full MLE player for room MLE. The word "elite" shouldn't be used anywhere near him in any attribute. He ranges from poor to above average depending on the attribute. My hope is that he gets packaged with other assets for a Dedmon like $12 mil player as Dangercart suggested by the trade deadline.

Enes finished 4th, 5th, 13th, 4th and 6th in total offensive rebounds the last 5 years while never averaging above 25.8 minutes a game in any year. In those last five years he has finished 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 1st and 2nd in offensive rebounding percentage. And in total rebound percentage he has finished 15th, 4th, 17th, 3rd and 6th.

He has been a top 5 offensive rebounder in the entire league the last 5 years, any way you look at it. That is elite. And his ability to get rebounds is top ten in that time.

If he had been putting in starter minutes, like 30-36 minutes a game, he probably would have had counting rebounding numbers that would have put him in the top 5 in the league in rebounds per game. That is an elite ability.

Adding to that, the pressure is on Stevens to maximize those strengths while hiding his weaknesses.  We can't change the fact that Kanter will struggle on defense against elite teams.  The real goal should be getting the most out of Kanter throughout the regular season, with the hopes that the team can finish with a high seed.  Danny and Brad will need to figure out others ways to deal with Philly, Toronto, and Milwaukee.  RWIII becoming a reliable contributor would be a nice start.  Another alternative would be finding a deal for a big man at some point during the season.

It would be really nice to find a defensive Center for a potential playoff match up against the 76ers.  A combo of Kanter + "insert Center" would be valuable for short stretches against Horford and Embiid.  Hopefully we could tread water in the front court, while decisively winning the battle on the perimeter.     

[bellerephon]

Scoring and rebounding are his strengths, no doubt. Defense is the problem.